Being a missionary is hard work. I don't have anywhere near the patience for it.
The Mashers, The Crank It Ups, The Noobs Who Won't Understand
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I swear..you can't make this stuff up! And if it were a book, we wouldn't believe it.I've come to the conclusion that some people aren't good with anything mechanical. I got my friend the simplest thing I could find, an Lea. All she had to do was fill up the clearo and push a button. This chick has killed computers by trying to yank out a cord from the tower that just had to be unscrewed. Seriously. And don't get me started on the vacuums she's murdered.
So she got the hang of filling up and went on her merry way. I get a call a few days later that the darn thing won't charge. She said it's been plugged into her laptop for 2 days and nothing.
Me: Is your laptop on and plugged in?
Her: No. I haven't used it in awhile.
Me:...
All I learned I learned on my own, mostly asking those stupid newbie questions here on ECF and my local vape shop.
The truth is, I think, that most ppl begin vaping just to get off cigs & they don't want (or need) anything complicated. For most of em a cig-alike w/the replacement cartridges might actually be the best solution. It's what I was using when I found ECF & I remember thinking what awful mostrositys the APVs appeared to be. Variable voltage? Digital read-outs? Really? And those HUGE tank looking things on the top...in my mind this stuff was just for 'connessuiers' & I needn't bother. After all, I was just using vaping to quit smoking. Then I got to reading more here...
...but my point is that a majority of vapers will never aspire to get a Provari w/a Zen RBA on it. They just want something as simple & reliable as the cigarettes are that they're trying to beat. For those ppl a clearomizer on an ego battery may be on the outside limits of what they think they should have to dp to vape.
...but my point is that a majority of vapers will never aspire to get a Provari w/a Zen RBA on it. They just want something as simple & reliable as the cigarettes are that they're trying to beat. For those ppl a clearomizer on an ego battery may be on the outside limits of what they think they should have to dp to vape.
I think for some people it may be plain stupidity. For others they may be subconsciously failing because they don't want vaping to work for them so they have another excuse to keep smoking.
My policy is to not sell or loan to relatives or friends .. I owned a computer business for 10 years, and I learned that lesson the hard way .. no matter their inability to use or screw ups they created, I was always expected to make it right ..
I didnt' start vapeing to get off analogs, I started vapeing so I could have my fix when analogs wheren't allowed. I never intended to quit smoking, it just kind of happened.
On my last night of working nightshift, I brought in 6 eGo batteries and a mix of juices ranging from, knock you on your ... if you do a hard pull, to light fruity flavors. Watching the blues was actually funny as all get out. I WARNED them don't pull and inhale at the same time on the harsh flavors. Did they listen to me??? Nope. One of them picked up the pipe tobacco and as she starts drawing, I'm hollering at her EASY EASY and boom, insta coughing so hard she almost fell out of her chair!! I laughed so hard I had TEARS coming out of my eyes! 3 of the 5 are now vapors. I did it the old fashion way too, ordered my first e-cig THEN found the ECF.
PS I work in a prison with a non-smoking policy. However, the higher ups say I dont' smoke so can bring my Provari or Reo behind the walls. No I dont' vape at work and I rarly bring my toys behind the bars, but it's nice to know I can if I want to!!
On my last night of working nightshift, I brought in 6 eGo batteries and a mix of juices ranging from, knock you on your ... if you do a hard pull, to light fruity flavors. Watching the blues was actually funny as all get out. I WARNED them don't pull and inhale at the same time on the harsh flavors. Did they listen to me??? Nope. One of them picked up the pipe tobacco and as she starts drawing, I'm hollering at her EASY EASY and boom, insta coughing so hard she almost fell out of her chair!! I laughed so hard I had TEARS coming out of my eyes! 3 of the 5 are now vapors. I did it the old fashion way too, ordered my first e-cig THEN found the ECF.
PS I work in a prison with a non-smoking policy. However, the higher ups say I dont' smoke so can bring my Provari or Reo behind the walls. No I dont' vape at work and I rarly bring my toys behind the bars, but it's nice to know I can if I want to!!
Now, imagine if your rant related to your own Mom and Dad! Welcome to my world. I have to DIY their nicquid (luckily it's straight menthol 20mg 50/50). I buy all their supplies, as they're interwebz-deficient. Basically, it's just press this button and vape. If anything goes awry, it's all Hell breakin' loose with disappointment and threats to take up smoking again. I threaten to break fingers, so they can't do either. *It's in jest, but really?
Tell your co-worker that there's a $5 service fee for calling you with questions that he/she could find answers for, themself by meeting the fine world of ECF.
I'm going through this with my brother-in-law and my mother to some extent. I order all supplies for my BIL. This has gone on for about a year now. I have emailed him with the exact links to the exact pages of the stuff he uses, but he still tells me it's too difficult. Then, when I do order, he hounds me about exactly when I ordered until his stuff arrives. He wants thick juice, but the liquid he likes comes from a vendor that does not offer a full range of customization. So if I order him 36mg, he only gets 20% VG. Not that he has any idea what VG is despite my many explanations. He just complains it's too thin. So I lower the nic level so he can get thick juice. He doesn't notice, but eventually reads the label and complains. He doesn't think his cartos last long. Well, hmm, he uses DARK, THICK juice. So he asks me to get him different brands of cartos. It never stops. He's had me order a few different kits for him, but there is always something not right. He used to run out of cartos all the time in the beginning and ask for mine. Finally, I told him that I only order 1-2 boxes at a time, and I couldn't keep giving them away. ARRGGGH.
My mom is, of course, elderly. I can't blame her for needing my help. She doesn't vape, but from time to time will want me to get out her kit that I purchased for her and put it together for her. She will take literally 2 puffs and then light a cigarette and not ask about e-cigs again for months. I keep telling her to wait until she has a cig craving, and just try replacing a few cigarettes a day with the e-cig so she can discover that it does satisfy. I have shown her the inhalation technique about 100 times, but she still takes 1-2 short, quick puffs, gets no vapor, and then lights a cigarette. It makes no sense. This has been going on since I started vaping, and I have yet to see her actually use a PV for more than 5 seconds before not touching it again for a few months. Yet she continues to express a desire to switch.
Bottom line, unless the smokers in your life are actually invested enough in this to do their own experimentation and reading, they will not be successful - unless you have a tendency to be far too passive, and you have a brother-in-law whose wife will skin him alive if she catches him smoking. Buy them a disposable, give them a card with ECF on it, and let them have at it.
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Yep. I had my most recent convert call me since my first post on this thread. He bought the square starter kit vapormax is making now...I don't know or care what they call it. I told him in the store, "I have never used that one, so I cannot vouch for it". I repeated this at least twice for clarity. So he starts off:
(I have replaced this guys name with Fool Noob)
Fool Noob: This thing you told me to buy won't work.
Edd: I told you I could not vouch for it, you bought it, I just showed you the store.
Fool Noob: (as if I did not speak) Well the battery won't make the top thing make enough vapor! It started out fine, but now it is not making enough!
Edd: Is it flooded? Have you removed the atomizer, err...the top thing, and blown it out after you pour the juice in out?
Fool Noob: Won't that waste the juice?
Edd: Only if you pour it down a drain. You should have some sort of small container to put it in, then you could put it back.
Fool Noob: Well the battery is all covered in juice...and when I took the tip off the top thing, the round thing in the top thing is wiggly....
Edd: Ugh. Remove the top thing from the battery, remove the tip thing off of the top thing, get the juice out of the top thing, remove the round thing in the top thing, blow out the top thing completely, remove excess juice from battery with paper towel and Q-tip, remove excess juice from top thing on its bottom part with same, firmly screw (not like a gorilla, just firmly) screw the round thing in the top thing so it is no longer wiggly, replace juice, put tip thing back on top thing, put back on battery.
Fool Noob: (after several minutes)- Hey it works fine now. Why didn't you tell me to do this at first?
Edd: What, flood it so I could walk you through the remedy?
Fool Noob: Yeah, this was a real problem, you should have told me about it!
Edd: Yeah, that is what I should have done. Who do you think I called when this happened to me when I started? I had to just figure it out. You forgot to thank me.
Fool Noob: I never thought of that...
Edd: You could have stopped on the third word. See you tomorrow at the office, fool noob.
(I have replaced this guys name with Fool Noob)
Fool Noob: This thing you told me to buy won't work.
Edd: I told you I could not vouch for it, you bought it, I just showed you the store.
Fool Noob: (as if I did not speak) Well the battery won't make the top thing make enough vapor! It started out fine, but now it is not making enough!
Edd: Is it flooded? Have you removed the atomizer, err...the top thing, and blown it out after you pour the juice in out?
Fool Noob: Won't that waste the juice?
Edd: Only if you pour it down a drain. You should have some sort of small container to put it in, then you could put it back.
Fool Noob: Well the battery is all covered in juice...and when I took the tip off the top thing, the round thing in the top thing is wiggly....
Edd: Ugh. Remove the top thing from the battery, remove the tip thing off of the top thing, get the juice out of the top thing, remove the round thing in the top thing, blow out the top thing completely, remove excess juice from battery with paper towel and Q-tip, remove excess juice from top thing on its bottom part with same, firmly screw (not like a gorilla, just firmly) screw the round thing in the top thing so it is no longer wiggly, replace juice, put tip thing back on top thing, put back on battery.
Fool Noob: (after several minutes)- Hey it works fine now. Why didn't you tell me to do this at first?
Edd: What, flood it so I could walk you through the remedy?
Fool Noob: Yeah, this was a real problem, you should have told me about it!
Edd: Yeah, that is what I should have done. Who do you think I called when this happened to me when I started? I had to just figure it out. You forgot to thank me.
Fool Noob: I never thought of that...
Edd: You could have stopped on the third word. See you tomorrow at the office, fool noob.
I'm so glad that my brother in law and father in law were easy converts.
Sure, papa decided he didn't like the itaste or the spinner, and I wound up with the spinner, but he's managed to master a kgo and vivi nova after smoking for 50ish years.
hell the biggest vape crisis i've had in a while is right now, while i'm trying to decide which vivi nova to dump so i can fill it with my new DIY i mixed up this afternoon. #vaperproblems
Sure, papa decided he didn't like the itaste or the spinner, and I wound up with the spinner, but he's managed to master a kgo and vivi nova after smoking for 50ish years.
hell the biggest vape crisis i've had in a while is right now, while i'm trying to decide which vivi nova to dump so i can fill it with my new DIY i mixed up this afternoon. #vaperproblems
I've told the guy multiple times to go to the local B&M store, it's right by where we work. But has he? No. I told him to check out the ECF, but I know for a fact he won't. He's, uhrm, shall we say, the salt of the earth-type, and doesn't dig computers or forums or even typing, for that matter. I'm swinging by his house tomorrow to help him one last time. If he still complains, I'm just giving his money back and asking for my Twist, my charger, my 510 to ego adapter, and my Kanger back. I sold all of that to him for $30 and he still complained and said I sold him junk.
Yep that was me when I first decided to give it a try. I don't even think they had Blus or Njoys back when I got my 510, at least that I knew of. I remember being frustrated with the carts not holding enough juice, the hits were inconsistent as was the vapor production, e-liquid wasn't what it is now, and it was frustrating...which is why it took another couple of years before I finally replaced smoking with vaping full time. Had something simple like the Njoys been around back then I probably would have gone for those. I'm all about easy and convenient. The turning point was discovering the Stardust clearos for the eGo...it made things easy and consistent. Now, I've reached the proverbial summit with my ProVari and DCT tank.
I can't even seem to get people to cape from the pv right to get a sense of the taste. Apparently "Take a very, very gentle pull just to get a light sense of the taste" equally translates to "suck on this like your life depends on it".
Then the choking cough and a huge cloud of vapor. Enter my laughter. And more questions, will I give them my pv, extras, this or that and so on. More laughter from me.
I've learned much from ECF, and use it for reference daily. I tell them to do some research here before shopping for themselves, which is usually when I get the blank, confused look.
Yes... sometimes we have to learn and think for ourselves. I'm willing to share notes and help, but we have to do the hard work ourselves. Unfortunately there are so many that refuse to do just that. Facebook, sharing kitten pictures and online video games are more pressing matters...
Then the choking cough and a huge cloud of vapor. Enter my laughter. And more questions, will I give them my pv, extras, this or that and so on. More laughter from me.
I've learned much from ECF, and use it for reference daily. I tell them to do some research here before shopping for themselves, which is usually when I get the blank, confused look.
Yes... sometimes we have to learn and think for ourselves. I'm willing to share notes and help, but we have to do the hard work ourselves. Unfortunately there are so many that refuse to do just that. Facebook, sharing kitten pictures and online video games are more pressing matters...
I couldn't take it. I just got back from his house. Gave him back his $30 and got my gear back.
Here, here, poor Twist, daddy missed you -- ooh, ooh, you're shaking... It's ok, Twist, it's ok.
Here, here, poor Twist, daddy missed you -- ooh, ooh, you're shaking... It's ok, Twist, it's ok.
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