The new e cigarette juice vaping FDA regulations rules law in 3 sentences?

[vapesmooth123]

sorry but just getting the core principal of what's going on seems I have to read for a day or two and still be confused. This is for USA.
From what I understand, venders won't be able to sell juice or nicotine concentrate or even mods or tanks etc around August without paying like millions of dollars for a license (basically a scam so that only big tobacco companies can afford this initial fee and then they can charge a monopoly price that the gov takes a large portion of).

So will I still be able to buy 100mg nic concentrate? And will it be like 5X the price? Or will DIY be completely dead?
Can I buy mods and tanks still for cheap (my DNA 30 clone of almost 3 years cost me like $25 shipped and my RDA cost me like $5).

I think companies that already sell flavors that are know to be safe or are considered safe will be able to bypass this by just not labelling their flavors for e juice use and people will still buy from word of mouth, the same thing with VG and PG so I assume these will go unaffected and not end up costing like 5X more.

I see everyone is stocking up on nicotine. I would rather pay 2X the price to get it fresh. I think freezing is okay but fresh seems a bit 'fresher', and it's cheap enough that 2X the price isn't bad but if it's like 5-10X the price in August, then I'll freeze a bunch.
Thanks. Sorry long initial post.

 

[Mazinny]

Dropbox - VTA Guidance - Deeming Compliance Calendar - FINAL.pdf

 

[Mazinny]

On Aug 8, no new products will be able to enter the market. Products introduced into the market prior to that date will be ok for two years, as long as the vendor has complied with the other requirements ( age verification, registration, product listing, ingredient listing etc... ) which have staggering deadlines as outlined in the document above. Individual states may extend their restrictions on internet tobacco sales, to ecigs , but they will likely need to amend their statutes proactively ( there is some debate on that ) .

 

[crxess]

Wow, people really do not know..........

Sorry, but the Regs are a over Month on the Books and fully View-able by the public. FDA Has presented several Fact Bases for Clarity. Progressive Actions have been posted to a Calendar for compliance.
The Results of Deeming have been covered in all types of media for weeks.

The Facts on the FDA's New Tobacco Rule

 

[DC2]

There's no way to reduce 500 pages of legalese down to three sentences.
And nobody REALLY knows what is going to happen until it actually starts happening.

But I can tell you what the rules say that most agree on...
--After August 8th no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--People will possibly have up to two years to submit applications for existing products
--There will be very few applications submitted, with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any of those applications

All of the above assumes that there are no injunctions.
If there are any injunctions then everything I just said is null and void.

 

[VNeil]

There's no way to reduce 500 pages of legalese down to three sentences.
And nobody REALLY knows what is going to happen until it actually starts happening.

But I can tell you what the rules say that most agree on...
--After August 8th no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--People will possibly have up to two years to submit applications for existing products
--There will be very few applications submitted, with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any of those applications

All of the above assumes that there are no injunctions.
If there are any injunctions then everything I just said is null and void.

And very importantly it appears that after Aug 8 there will be no custom or in house mixing because that might be considered a new product?

 

[VNeil]

Regarding concentrated nic.... what is now $50/liter could be taxed at $1000 or more, or made unavailable to consumers. A $50 liter will last 2-7 years or so at typical usage. Worst case you pitch old nic and buy more at $50/liter in a couple years. It is really cheap insurance. Too cheap now to waste brain cells thinking about it.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

There's no way to reduce 500 pages of legalese down to three sentences.
And nobody REALLY knows what is going to happen until it actually starts happening.

But I can tell you what the rules say that most agree on...
--After August 8th no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--People will possibly have up to two years to submit applications for existing products
--There will be very few applications submitted, with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any of those applications

All of the above assumes that there are no injunctions.
If there are any injunctions then everything I just said is null and void.

Excellent summary.

I think it would be OK to add the following as long as we are over 3 sentences:
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur in all segments of the market


[Edited a few times. I'm no lawyer. OOPS!]

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Regarding concentrated nic.... what is now $50/liter could be taxed at $1000 or more, or made unavailable to consumers. A $50 liter will last 2-7 years or so at typical usage. Worst case you pitch old nic and buy more at $50/liter in a couple years. It is really cheap insurance. Too cheap now to waste brain cells thinking about it.

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[crxess]

100%

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[VNeil]

Excellent summary.

I think it would be OK to add the following as long as we are over 3 sentences:
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely
--After August 8th no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after Jan, 1, 2007 so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process may take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product.
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco.
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed.

To be precise that "as much as $1 million" estimate is the FDAs estimate. It is not known what it would actually cost to get anything approved or even if they intend to approve anything, at any price.

The makers of snuff submitted 100,000 pages of documentation in order to get an app submitted for approval. I bet that cost more than $1,000,000. You couldn't get a lawyer's secretary to just collate that in quadruplicate for a million bucks, much less a law team to compile it.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

To be precise that "as much as $1 million" estimate is the FDAs estimate. It is not known what it would actually cost to get anything approved or even if they intend to approve anything, at any price.

The makers of snuff submitted 100,000 pages of documentation in order to get an app submitted for approval. I bet that cost more than $1,000,000. You couldn't get a lawyer's secretary to just collate that in quadruplicate for a million bucks, much less a law team to compile it.

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I also edited the above statement. Forgot to incl if products did not pass PMTA they must be withdrawn.

 

[defdock]

Well, as for the state of Illinois, I've noticed since the deeming that all shop/gastations that supply ejuice no longer carry 0mg... "entices the kids"... yet now their forced to buy nicotine if they want to vape...

 

[VNeil]

Well, as for the state of Illinois, I've noticed since the deeming that all shop/gastations that supply ejuice no longer carry 0mg... "entices the kids"... yet now their forced to buy nicotine if they want to vape...

Typical tobacco control foolishness fascism

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Well, as for the state of Illinois, I've noticed since the deeming that all shop/gastations that supply ejuice no longer carry 0mg... "entices the kids"... yet now their forced to buy nicotine if they want to vape...

I'm in Chicago, and I've never purch any vape goods from a gas station, not that there is anything wrong with that. It's where I use to get my smokes.

Maybe the vendors are seeing that even zero nic juices are going to have to pass a PMTA and they are trying to figure out what sells. It may have been a loss leader.

 

[VNeil]

Well, as for the state of Illinois, I've noticed since the deeming that all shop/gastations that supply ejuice no longer carry 0mg... "entices the kids"... yet now their forced to buy nicotine if they want to vape...

Interestingly that will just entice the kiddies to DIY to make 0mg juice, and avoiding all the associated tax

And BTW once the kiddies learn DIY they can buy everything they need at any age. Good thinking, Illinois!

 

[defdock]

Interestingly that will just entice the kiddies to DIY to make 0mg juice, and avoiding all the associated tax

And BTW once the kiddies learn DIY they can buy everything they need at any age. Good thinking, Illinois!

I wish this were the case, this day and age kids are living in a disposable world. They don't want to take the time to learn.

 

[Two_Bears]

On Aug 8, no new products will be able to enter the market. Products introduced into the market prior to that date will be ok for two years, as long as the vendor has complied with the other requirements ( age verification, registration, product listing, ingredient listing etc... ) which have staggering deadlines as outlined in the document above. Individual states may extend their restrictions on internet tobacco sales, to ecigs , but they will likely need to amend their statutes proactively ( there is some debate on that ) .

Well done Mazinny.

GrimmGreen reported in his vlog today

Starting July 1,2016 online sales that has anything to do with the state of Utah will be probibited. If either of both the buyer and seller aree in Utah it is probibited.

 

[VNeil]

I wish this were the case, this day and age kids are living in a disposable world. They don't want to take the time to learn.

Give em a reason and they become geniuses. Besides, here is a step by step...

1. Go to Walmart or CVS.
2. Buy VG
3. Vape it

Even a caveman teenager can do that

 

[dionysuskiss]

Also after Aug. 8, no free samples ( even in vape shops) . There can be no more contests and giveaways for liquids or vaping devices, etc. 0mg must still be marked as a "tobacco" product. Batteries, cotton, small bottles, and pre-made coils can also be considered a tobacco product. So, your local b&m cannot build coils for you. Nor are they allowed to demonstrate a product or put it together for you. They also have to lie, and say that vaping is NOT safer than smoking. Nor can they tell you that vaping could help you quit....and it goes on, and on