The Philosophy of Coils

[The Cloud Minder]

Now I have read many things (posts, articles and videos{those these were not "read"}) about coil making with different gauges, ohm levels, series, parallel, etc. etc. but few things on a big picture of all. I know a lot of people love the current "art" aspect of making coils, and cuddle in the warm of artistic glow over a particularly well crafted coil. But what that situation is, really, is ignorance. Not of the crafter specifically, that person less ignorant by reason of the crafting, but exhibiting ignorance in the area as well. I am not a coil crafter, I am a coil builder, so I am more ignorant than the crafter.

<You may be asking yourself the question, "what the ____ is he talking about?">

Anyhow, picture the very best coil you ever made, what if we took that coil and had it copied? Truly measured construction, angles twists, turn angles leg angles, etc. Etc.

We should be able to have a machine, duplicate all parameters, thus having a perfect coil making machine. (Please, I am aware of pre made coils, so don't, just don't) Even if we didn't do that, you would have "the formula" exactly. If you make your build exactly like this, within human limits, every time, it's going to come out the same, roughly. The worst part is the specifications for that perfect coil are going to be different depending on the actual resistance , wicking and wicking materials, airflow etc. But their at least has to be a fairly standard build of coil for each atomizer, that satisfies MOST people.

Maybe I'm wrong, ... maybe there are way more people who are only satisfied under a narrow range of vaping parameters.

So many other things ...

turbulance experts designing the inside of the atty (i want to hit the lottery so I can hire Dyson to design my atomizer)

gaseous behavior engineering knowledge.

directed airflow (precision level, not "point the holes at the coils")


... Musings of a back porch Cloud Minder.

 

[PapaSloth]

I don't think this is entirely correct. I agree that two identical coils should produce identical results when used in the same atty, but that's where it ends. Not all attys are the same in terms of air flow and wicking, even when it's the same model from the same manufacturer. For example, there's huge variation in the way the juice channels are cut on various Kayfun clones, and this has a huge impact on wicking. Also, many attys have adjustable airflow, and that has a profound impact on how a build will work.

Then, there's the juice. Different VG/PG blends vape differently. In addition, some flavors tolerate higher temperatures better than other flavors. Once again, even the same juice bought from the same vendor can vary depending on the batch and steeping. So, expecting that one coil build is going to work the same over and over again is not entirely reasonable.

Most importantly, different people have different preferences for vaping. Some people like mouth hits and prefer a tight draw. Some people like mouth to lung. Some people like big, long, airy lung hits. The coil requirements for these different airflows and vaping styles requires adjustment to the build for best effect.

So, bottom line, I don't entirely agree with your statement.

 

[AzPlumber]

I could reply with a long rambling post but it would discredit my point that all folks are different.

 

[yzer]

I can dig the philosophy of coils. Intercooled turbocharging could very well prove to be a valuable supplement to coil design.

On the other hand I remain something of a nihilist in the field of coil philosophy. To me, the best coil is the one that I can use and forget with the least amount of time and bother.

So I slap a new carto into my carto tank once a week and save my phosophical musing time to pondering the design my next hand held laser or which struts I want to pick for rebuilding the WRX suspension.

 

[eyerhere]

I read it twice, so whats your point?

 

[Smann245]

Those of us who view this as not just a method of nicotine consumption, but also a hobby seem to appreciate coil building and wicking as a way of combining form AND function. When you nail both with something you crafted it's very satisfying.

 

[Smann245]

I read it twice, so whats your point?

Haha, ditto.

 

[supertrunker]

Papasloth is correct, and that fabulous build does not necessarily transfer to other atties at all. I have about 4 or 5 'standard' builds i use depending on what they will be fitted to.

Even different RDAs require different builds to get the best from them, as i discovered recently when trying a new one. So imo the key to it all is the flexibility to change your plans and try new ideas when yours fail.

T

 

[The Cloud Minder]

I don't think this is entirely correct. I agree that two identical coils should produce identical results when used in the same atty, but that's where it ends. Not all attys are the same in terms of air flow and wicking, even when it's the same model from the same manufacturer. For example, there's huge variation in the way the juice channels are cut on various Kayfun clones, and this has a huge impact on wicking. Also, many attys have adjustable airflow, and that has a profound impact on how a build will work.

Then, there's the juice. Different VG/PG blends vape differently. In addition, some flavors tolerate higher temperatures better than other flavors. Once again, even the same juice bought from the same vendor can vary depending on the batch and steeping. So, expecting that one coil build is going to work the same over and over again is not entirely reasonable.

Most importantly, different people have different preferences for vaping. Some people like mouth hits and prefer a tight draw. Some people like mouth to lung. Some people like big, long, airy lung hits. The coil requirements for these different airflows and vaping styles requires adjustment to the build for best effect.

So, bottom line, I don't entirely agree with your statement.

Well, as fat as your first objection, perhaps you missed when I said But their at least has to be a fairly standard build of coil for each atomizer, that satisfies MOST people.

As far as the second one, I realized that as well, which is why the second part of the sentence with the "MOST" qualifier in all capitals. that satisfies MOST people.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

I read it twice, so whats your point?

Why hasn't the technology progressed to further levels. Where are my tuned manifold atty covers? Where are the specs on the best performance coil for a Veritas etc. etc.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Those of us who view this as not just a method of nicotine consumption, but also a hobby seem to appreciate coil building and wicking as a way of combining form AND function. When you nail both with something you crafted it's very satisfying.

Like I said, I'm a builder, not a crafter like you, I want the specs and engineering proof, to make it a science as well.

 

[roosterado]

Have at it Choose from: Venom Coils Original Venom Coils for Vaping with RBA RDA Kayfun | eBay
4 wraps @ Approx 0.5/0.6 ohms


7 wraps @ Approx 0.8/0.9 ohms Just have to reverse engineer it

 

[shatteredsoul76]

Unfortunately every coil I build is different, some seem near perfect while others are lacking but either way they work and work well with a pinch of rayon in a KF clone and Im happy with that. I have only tried single,dual and a single twisted and for me the simplicity of a single is what works best for me. Ill leave the fancier coils to the crafters.

 

[Avid]

<You may be asking yourself the question, "what the ____ is he talking about?">

absolutely. But...

i want to hit the lottery so I can hire Dyson to design my atomizer.

This is a truly noble goal.

 

[iamthevoice]

Read up on spring manufacturing... All the repeatable coil winding technology you're thinking about! Here is a science behind it but in terms of vaping, the precision is just not required, as I doubt most people would distinguish the third place figure in their ohm value as it varies from build to build (of the same type/coil number/diameter)! But the Dyson idea would make your atty cost $600 and only work with the included laser and GPS chip

 

[The Cloud Minder]

...But the Dyson idea would make your atty cost $600 and only work with the included laser and GPS chip

If I hit the lottery, I think I'd be cool with that $600 price tag.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Theory of Forms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to this there exists The Perfect Coil. Somewhere. In the realm of the forms.

 

[Iffy]

Ya could do "MOST people" a favor by doing da research yourself and passing on your exact specs pro bono!

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Ya could do "MOST people" a favor by doing da research yourself and passing on your exact specs pro bono!

Unfortunately, I lack the engineering knowledge and grasp of turbulent airflow dynamics. I pretty much just replicated the builds in my rbas rdas the vape shops put in, over and over. (Mainly because I like them and figured if it aint broke dont fix it)

But lately I have been musing over improvements from the theory side.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

The Dao of Kanthal???

I'm confused
Are we talking philosophy, craft guilds, mechanical engineering, aerodynamics, physics, automation?
Sounds like a busy semester.

I'm working on a technique to turn around fast enough to see the back of my head.