The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Thank you Bill. the Nutzilla sounds interesting

JB,

With the caveat that I'm always a little suspicious of any overly-enthusiastic reviews (including my own), I have to say that it RY4 Nutzilla is a winner.

Well, after a couple months of disciplined frugality, I went completely bonkers with Thanksgiving/BlackFriday/CyberMonday sales. In the past five days, I've ordered 684ml of new juices (for a total of $246, or 36¢/ml). About half are restocks of juices I love, so I can justify getting those on sale. The rest are new juices, ordered on whim, which is sheer madness. I need half a liter more juice like I need another hole in my wallet. LOL. Talk about falling off the wagon...

The good news is that among these are three new-to-me RY4s (happyesmoker, timelessvapor, and the new, more traditional version from BlueMist called RY4.5, which I ordered in both juice form and as a DIY flavoring), meaning that we can anticipate upcoming reviews within two weeks.

Given the slow-down in posting, I've wondered recently if the time might have come to turn The Really Big List of RY4s into a sticky and close the thread. I mean, we're down to a trickle of posts by a tiny cadre of the hard-core faithful at this point. After a year and a half of lively discussion, other than further reviews, how much more can be said about RY4s that we haven't explored here already? Since at least three more reviews are on deck, however, I guess we'll wait to consider pulling the plug and leave the thread on life-support for the time being.

Does anyone have small samples of either DarthVapers RY4 or TotallyWicked RY4 to possibly send me? I'd like to review them for The Big List, but I balk at shelling out a sizable chunk of change---even at 20% off, a 30ml bottle of DV RY4 with shipping would cost $16---for yet another RY4 to review that I'll probably never vape afterwards. Unfortunately, a 6ml sample bottle with shipping from DV is more than a buck per ml even with 20% off, and I simply refuse to pay that. Not to single out either DarthVapers or TotallyWicked for undeserved scorn---their juices are no more expensive than many other vendors---but there's a limit to what I'm willing to contribute monetarily to support the thread, and this month I've already exceeded that limit.
 

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I have to vote against closing this thread. There are always new vendors and new versions of RY4 coming out. This is a great (searchable) resource for RY4s, and now DIY RY4s.

Saying that I want to keep it open is not saying that Bill should continue to carry the load. I have an RY4 on its way that hasn't been reviewed. Several of us have tried to assist Bill with samples and reviews. But lets face facts, none of us have Bill's unique gift of prose. So as long as Bill is above ground, I hope he keeps us entertained with his philosophical rants and tri-flavor reviews.

As long as vendors keep creating RY4 flavors and ejuices, this thread should remain open (hopefully with Bill, but even without).
 

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Though not a contributor, I would like to chime in and say I love this thread. I'm a lurker here, have been for as long as this thread has been alive. I thoroughly enjoy what's written here. So though you may argue it's a small group of people here, I think there are others like me who also enjoy this thread.
 

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I for one hope this thread lives on and on - this is about the only thread I follow and/or make contributions too at all. Granted, I do not chime in that often, there is hardly a day goes by that I do not pull it up and see what is the latest here. I lurked this thread for months before making my first post. Additionally, this has been the most informative and educational source about vaping for me personally since I gave up the smokes in April.

Bill, your command of the english language is far superior to most and you know how to keep it humorous all at the same time. That is a gift possessed by a very few in this world. Keep it going!
 

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I tend to agree with the others on keeping it alive and well (hopefully with Bill's wit and wisdom) there are still new RY4 being offered (and at least as important IMO) new vapors daily for which this thread is possibly very helpful. Also I'd add that with the holiday season(s) it should be expected for things to slow down considerably . Though at times I was known to purchase five or more at once (several each month) new RY4 to sample, I've slowed down to a near stop since doing some great DIY RY4 I understand that many will likely never do DIY- while others will find this thread also helpful for that as well.
 

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What amazes me about this thread (besides the friendships I've made along the way and the fact that some people have apparently been tricked/fooled/seduced into thinking that I possess some sort of authority---LOL) is the ratio of posts to views.

The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread has logged 3,200+ posts---which, in all fairness, while not a huge number, is still considerable---but the thread also has 258,000 views. Jeez, that's a quarter of a million views! Looks like a lot of folks are lurkers---reading without posting (which is fine, by the way).

Many popular threads have way, way more pages and posts (especially the love-fest, twitter-like supplier fan threads), but few threads I've seen on ECF have a higher ratio of views to posts. That pleases me, because it means that people come here seeking out information they want and/or need. And hopefully they get it.

I guess that's settled then. We'll let the thread live on.
 

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What amazes me about this thread (besides the friendships I've made along the way and the fact that some people have apparently been tricked/fooled/seduced into thinking that I possess some sort of authority---LOL) is the ratio of posts to views.

The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread has logged 3,200+ posts---which, in all fairness, while not a huge number, is still considerable---but the thread also has 258,000 views. Jeez, that's a quarter of a million views! Looks like a lot of folks are lurkers---reading without posting (which is fine, by the way).

Many popular threads have way, way more pages and posts (especially the love-fest, twitter-like supplier fan threads), but few threads I've seen on ECF have a higher ratio of views to posts. That pleases me, because it means that people come here seeking out information they want and/or need. And hopefully they get it.

I guess that's settled then. We'll let the thread live on.

Glad you came to your senses LOL! Don't scare us like that again.
 

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I love this thread. Like many others I mostly read to check out what new juice to try. To be honest new juices are a once in a while purchase for me since I am so invested in DIY. I love that some vendors are really making good RY4 concentrates. I had mixed a batch abou a month ago of the want2vapes RY4 mix and its great. I get a bit of a coffee type flavor up front and a smooth caramel type exhale. I mixed it at 11% to be cautious on my first attempt and mixed another just yesterday at 18% for feeling that it could use a spot more flavor. Great stuff and spot on review of it Bill
 

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I love this thread. Like many others I mostly read to check out what new juice to try. To be honest new juices are a once in a while purchase for me since I am so invested in DIY. I love that some vendors are really making good RY4 concentrates. I had mixed a batch abou a month ago of the want2vapes RY4 mix and its great. I get a bit of a coffee type flavor up front and a smooth caramel type exhale. I mixed it at 11% to be cautious on my first attempt and mixed another just yesterday at 18% for feeling that it could use a spot more flavor. Great stuff and spot on review of it Bill

springfield,

I'm thrilled with how good W2V RY4 flavoring concentrate is. Partially because I still can't make a good RY4 from scratch, and partially just because it's a wonderful thing to have such convenience and value.

I, too, have tried mixing W2V RY4 flavoring at a lower percentage (20% is recommended), and it's just not the same. When Donley specifies 20%, he means it. That's OK, though. A 15ml bottle of flavoring ($13.15 shipped from xtremevaping) makes 75mls of one of the best RY4s in the world. Heck of a deal.
 
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I love this thread. Like many others I mostly read to check out what new juice to try. To be honest new juices are a once in a while purchase for me since I am so invested in DIY. I love that some vendors are really making good RY4 concentrates. I had mixed a batch abou a month ago of the want2vapes RY4 mix and its great. I get a bit of a coffee type flavor up front and a smooth caramel type exhale. I mixed it at 11% to be cautious on my first attempt and mixed another just yesterday at 18% for feeling that it could use a spot more flavor. Great stuff and spot on review of it Bill

springfield,

I'm thrilled with how good W2V RY4 flavoring concentrate is. Partially because I still can't make a good RY4 from scratch, and partially just because it's a wonderful thing to have such convenience and value.

I, too, have tried mixing W2V RY4 flavoring at a lower percentage (20% is recommended), and it's just not the same. When Donley specifies 20%, he means it. That's OK, though. A 15ml bottle of flavoring (which $13.15 shipped from xtremevaping) makes 75mls of one of the best RY4s in the world. Heck of a deal.

I've been wavering here on making an Xtreme hit. My Thursday/Monday funds went mostly to nicotine base. Still...soon.
 

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I've been wavering here on making an Xtreme hit. My Thursday/Monday funds went mostly to nicotine base. Still...soon.

It really is nice. Pull the trigger I don't think you'll be disappointed. I you are I'll buy it off ya ;-) on a spot of a side not W2V's caramel swirl flavoring I found is a great addition to any tobac blend. I've mixed it in a nice 555 with some marshmallow. Crazy good Vape
 

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Hey Bill, I bit the bullet -- actually it wasn't painful at all -- and bought SI's RY4. It has been soooo long since I have had it, but that is one of those juices, I am 99% certain, that is EXACTLY how I remember it. I remember it as being FANTASTIC!

p.s. Please let me know when your little gift gets to you.
 

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specs: All three RY4s detailed in this review were purchased by me from JantyWorldUSA. The color of the liquids is a similar golden-caramel transparency, at 18mg nic strength, in various PG/VG blends. All three have very slight noses, with little scent to indicate the abundance of vaping flavor. Testing was done by loading the juices into 2.8 ohm Boge SR cartos powered by variable-power APVs (Vamo, Kicked Bolt, Kicked Omega) set to 9 watts RMS.

As we’ve learned on this thread through research and revelation, Janty created RY4 in 2007 and marketed the first and original RY4 (which, if we are to believe recent statements by Ludo, one of Janty’s owners and a co-creator of RY4, is the version currently marketed under the new ‘DK Line’ of Janty liquids). Over the years, however, Janty has tweaked the recipe formula and base blends of RY4, so that in the past one couldn’t be totally certain which Janty variation one had. That confusion has ended. Ludo recently provided vapers with a brief, de facto guide to Janty’s RY4 variations.

Initially, Janty sold liquids without any group designation. They were all simply Janty E-Liquids. At some point in 2010, Janty reformulated its liquids and subdivided them into two lines or series: Classic and Elixir. The Elixir Series was further subdivided into PG or VG base blends, either 65/35 PG/VG (the PG blend) or 35/65 PG/VG (the VG blend). Flavors were adjusted to match these new base blends. (For the record, I don’t know what base blend Janty started with and has continued with the Classic Series. I’d guess that it might be 80/20 PG/VG, but I don’t really know).

In early 2012, Janty came out with another new group, called the Vitaya Series. This Series of Janty liquids has a milder overall taste, but lots of vapor and smooth flavor. Somewhere about mid-year in 2012, Janty introduced their DK Series, which are a replication of the liquids Janty sold from 2007-2009. I presume that DK stands for Dekang, and my guess is that Dekang manufactured Janty's juices (to Janty's specs, of course) during that 2007-2009 period. Many Janty juices, including RY4, have versions in each series.

What does this mean for Janty RY4s? Here’s the breakdown:

• Janty RY4 (DK Series) is the original RY4, the first version ever marketed, the same one sold from 2007-2009.
• Janty RY4 (Classic Series) is a re-run and continuation of the RY4 sold by Janty in 2010-2011 under the Classic designation (This is the version that people liked best, according to Ludo, who used the term “raved about”)
• Janty RY4 (Elixir Series), begun in 2010, has more flavor than Classic
• Janty RY4 (Vitaya Series), started in 2012, is milder (meaning smoother flavors and overall taste) with better vapor production
• Janty RY4-X (Classic Series), is the same as Janty RY4 Classic, but with a stronger, slightly more assertive tobacco element
Every Janty RY4 is made in China by major Chinese juice manufacturers to Janty’s precise specifications. All of them should be considered classic RY4s (rather than custom), because they are all bright and well-balanced (even RY4 Elixir, which is slightly caramel-rich). In a very real sense, Janty defines what a classic RY4 is, because every other Chinese RY4 (Dekang, Hangsen, etc.) uses Janty’s basic ingredients and overall flavor as a template and jumping-off point. Janty and Dekang are the reference standards for RY4s.

I've never vaped Janty RY4 from the Classic Series. My initial experience with Janty RY4 was a 3ml sample bottle of Janty Elixir RY4 that ECF member wv2win sent me in the summer of 2011. I based my initial review of Janty RY4 on that sample in post #135 of this thread. I used up that small bottle quickly and soon after purchased larger bottles of Janty RY4 Elixir in both PG and VG blend versions, which were effectively identical. All subsequent rankings have been based on those Elixir blends.

Two weeks ago, when I wanted to order RY4 Classic, Janty was out of stock, so I settled for bottles of RY4-X Classic Series and RY4 DK Series instead. So, what I have today are three Boge cartos loaded with Janty RY4 Elixir, Janty RY4 DK, and Janty RY4-X Classic.

First off, are the flavor profiles and recipe mixes of these three Janty versions of RY4 noticeably different? In other words, can I (and, presumably, could you) really taste an appreciable difference? Yes. They are obviously different---related, but not identical.

Janty RY4 (DK Series) (presumably the original, first-ever formulation of RY4) is the oddest of the trio. Curiously enough, however, it is also my favorite of the three. There is a flavor element in this RY4 that my brain wants to call “lemon-y.” Do I think that lemon flavor is an ingredient in the original RY4? No, I don’t. My brain is just reaching for something it already knows to make a mystery flavor more comfortable for me. What I want to call "citrus" is probably a neutral sourness laced with other flavors. I first tried RY4 DK by atty-dripping and didn’t like it much. But loaded into a carto, the flavors bloomed and merged deliciously. The balance alone was extraordinary, with individual flavors dancing around a unified core, popping up for a moment, then receding to allow other tasty surprises to spin off.

Janty RY4 (Elixir Series) changes the mix, bringing caramel to the front. Interestingly, the other flavors aren’t diminished, there’s just more caramel than in DK. That’s what makes Elixir what it is---the flavors are kicked up, slightly intensified, and given a bit more depth. Elixir also adds a more obvious sweet-sour counterbalance (with the sourness being more neutral). This counterbalancing of sweet and sour is present but masked in the DK version, where the sourness poses as a lemon-y citrus element. In terms of overall flavor, Elixir RY4 is the all-you-can-eat Janty version, while DK is the gourmet version with smaller portions.

Janty RY4-X (Classic Series) is somewhere between the other two versions, DK and Elixir. It’s supposed to be RY4 Classic with more tobacco bite and presence, but, never having vaped RY4 Classic, I can't comment on that. RY4-X has more of the DK citrus-y feel, rather than the straighter sour-sweet of Elixir. Is the tobacco element stronger in RY4-X than in the other two? I really can’t tell for sure. Maybe. In all three, the tobacco element is bright, but I think the kick is provided more by the nicotine than by the tobacco per se.

What distinguishes these three RY4s from the vast majority of other vendors’ RY4s and gives them their family resemblance is the brightness, the balance of flavors, and the sour/citrus counterbalancing of the natural sweetness. For eliquids made entirely with synthetic flavorings, these juices are almost miraculously natural-tasting. All three are superlative RY4s.

Janty RY4 DK, RY4 Elixir, and RY4-X Classic all get ‘A’ grades from me. They are simply superb, and---taken together---are responsible in large part for giving RY4 its almost mythic popularity. Those who lean toward the deeper, often darker (in flavor or color), and sometimes nutty flavor profiles of custom RY4s may not adore the classic profile of Janty RY4s, but every RY4 lover should try at least one of the Janty versions, if only to taste the origins of this juice blend called RY4 that we appreciate so much.

Link to purchase:
JantyUSA E-Liquids
 
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When I wanted to review GoodLifeVapor Hooligan---GLV's version of RY4---back in October, I placed an order for three of their juices. GLV included a freebie in the order, a 10ml bottle of Sesame Sweetbread. That name was technically a misnomer, in that sweetbreads are the culinary term for organ meats. The juice was actually a sesame cake flavor. Sesame is a common ingredient in foods from Middle Eastern and Pacific Rim cultures, either toasted as seeds or ground as a nut/seed butter, but it's not used much in typical American cuisine, so for some people sesame would be considered exotic and definitely an acquired taste. Well, I've been eating foods from the Middle and Far East most of my adult life---hummos, toasted sesame seeds, etc.---so I acquired an appreciation for sesame long ago.

I blasted (or rather, vaped) through the 10ml sample bottle of Sesame Sweetbread with great enjoyment in about a week, then eagerly returned to the GoodLifeVapor site to order more, only to read an on-site notice that GLV had decided to tighten up their already limited line of juices. Sesame Shortbread was one of the original offerings that was discontinued, left on the cutting room floor, as it were.

My initial disappointment was quickly replaced by a sense of adventurous opportunity. How hard could it be to DIY a sesame cake juice? All I'd need would be any of the various vanilla cupcake flavorings (I already owned four of those, by Capella, TFA, Lorann, and Flavor West) and some sesame flavoring. TFA has a new flavor concentrate called Black Sesame Seed, so I ordered a 10ml bottle of that.

When it arrived, I whipped up a batch of strong Black Sesame Seed juice and combined it with some Vanilla Cupcake juice I'd already made. I don't have a precise recipe. I've been winging it and adjusting proportions on the fly for the past two weeks.

The result is my most stunning DIY success to date: Black Sesame Cake! Oh my, this juice is terrific! A lovely departure from the usual fare of sweet treats made with vanilla, chocolate, or fruit. Both sweet and savory. Goodbye, Cinnamon Danish. Hello, Sesame Cake!

I might write that I've been vaping Sesame Cake "like a fiend," but that's the wrong image. I've been vaping it steadily, with great enjoyment, as the newest member of my ever-growing stable of daily juices.


Important Note About Nomenclature: Animals in groups are given their own specialized names, i.e, a school of fish, a herd of cattle, a pack of wolves, pride of lions, clowder of cats, gaggle of geese, swarm of ants, flange of baboons, quiver of cobras, pod of dolphins, fesnying of ferrets, bouquet of pheasants, sounder of pigs, crash of rhinoceroses, rafter of turkeys, etc., etc. Some animals even have numerous names for their different categories of groupings: a brood or clutch of chicks, a wreck of sea birds, a brace or plump of game birds, and a dissimulation of ground birds. Separate species of birds also merit their own unique group names: a bevy of swans, a mumuration or chattering of starlings, a pandemonium of parrots, a stare of owls, and so forth.

I've been calling the always-evolving group of eliquids I vape every day a stable, but I think we need a special name for these groups of favorite juices. I don't know whether to make up a word or steal one, but I intend to give this task high priority on my Things To Do list.
 
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OK, let me run this up the flagpole and see who salutes.

The world melange (from the French, "to mix") has the following dictionary definition: a mixture, a hodgepodge, or a mishmash. It also has the particular meaning in geology of a totally disordered mixture of rocks of different shapes, sizes, ages, and origins.

Sounds pretty good to me. I think until further notice I'll begin calling my group of daily juices a melangerie. That's a twist on the odd collection of animal (or people) that's called a menagerie.

So, diy Black Sesame Cake is the newest addition to my melangerie of juices. LOL.
 
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