I pulled out my BWB RY4 yesterday for a pleasure vape. it is still unique and very good. I only have about 6mls left. I hope Don comes up with a good replacement soon, before I run out of original to compare.
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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The concentrate liquid is dark brown colored and obviously chock full of particulates. At 15%, the DIY juice it makes is medium-to-deep caramel colored, about the same color as diy w2v Rock Star and slightly darker than decadentvapours DV4 at similar percentages. Mixed at 10%, it would be lighter---20%, darker. My w2v RY4 is lighter than many NETs. For instance, the MOV CountRY-4 I have is much darker.
Are you concerned about whether it will clog cartos or tanks? Mine doesn't. At least no worse than any other NET. C'mon Cool, stop worrying and just buy some, OK?
Thanks for the reply, Bill.
I asked as I use rebuildable clearomizers with typically cotton or bamboo thread wicks. There are two main factors which seem to effect the life of the wicks. Overall vaping heat is one and the amount of particulate in a juice is the other. There is no dry buring of cotton or bamboo thread wicks.
Such wicks used with juices heavy in particulate may a lifetime as short as a day. Clear juices with mild voltages can last quite a bit longer...10 days or more.
I asked as I use rebuildable clearomizers with typically cotton or bamboo thread wicks. There are two main factors which seem to effect the life of the wicks. Overall vaping heat is one and the amount of particulate in a juice is the other. There is no dry buring of cotton or bamboo thread wicks.
Such wicks used with juices heavy in particulate may a lifetime as short as a day. Clear juices with mild voltages can last quite a bit longer...10 days or more.
Again thanks Bill for a great explanation. While I also prefer the "Double" I do enjoy the Asian quite a bit also
IMO though they're not related they're both good in different ways (to my palate YMMV everyone) LOL
I've not tried the others as I'm pretty happy with those two and havr focused on an attempt (OK several attempts with varying levels of mediocre success) of blending a good RY4 from tobacco flavorings tobaccoco absolute , caramel (various versions) and vanilla (I like the TFA vanilla swirl for this part "I think") Whether I ever get it "right' has yet to be seen, so far I've been at least able to vape my attempts so no wasted flavors or nic base (YET) In fact I'm vaping a tank of "My Double" as I type this on a Maximum Vapor's VV box mod it's as close to an ADV for me as about anything else LOL
IMO though they're not related they're both good in different ways (to my palate YMMV everyone) LOL
I've not tried the others as I'm pretty happy with those two and havr focused on an attempt (OK several attempts with varying levels of mediocre success) of blending a good RY4 from tobacco flavorings tobaccoco absolute , caramel (various versions) and vanilla (I like the TFA vanilla swirl for this part "I think") Whether I ever get it "right' has yet to be seen, so far I've been at least able to vape my attempts so no wasted flavors or nic base (YET) In fact I'm vaping a tank of "My Double" as I type this on a Maximum Vapor's VV box mod it's as close to an ADV for me as about anything else LOL
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I think often about all the techie nooks and crannies of the vaping experience. New developments arise and become crazes. Box mods, then VV, now VW. Cartos, then clearos, and onto tanks. In juices, it's DIY, WTA, NETs. Some of these "advances" call to me, and I dive right in. With others I hesitate or just plain refuse to go there. The logic of my choices is usually clear to me, but that doesn't mean it's valid or pans out as hoped.
When building syringe tanks was all the rage, I went down the rabbit hole. I must have made at least 80 such tanks, some of which worked for quite awhile, while others were lousy from the get-go (flooding because of pressure seal problems). Not that the ones I made were worse than the many retail tanks I bought also. I'm down to only two of those homemade syringes tanks left, and those two suffer from occasional dry hits, so I may toss them soon, just as I did all their former relatives.
On the other hand, the current craze of rebuildable attys and winding one's own coils didn't grab me. In fact, I've avoided it like the plague. It's not like I think that others shouldn't go in that direction---no, whatever each of us chooses to take on in the vaping obsession is fine with me. Somehow, though, I haven't wanted to deal with all the frustrating problems and vexing variables that come with this particular new techno-involvement (such as having to think about whether or not a certain juice might cause problems). I watched some videos demonstrating how to make your own coils and ran screaming into the night. Not that it looked hard. I was just badly put off by the microsurgery aspect of it. I don't know about others, but I always weigh the fun and enjoyment potential against the hassle and aggravation possibilities, and coil-making didn't pass muster for me.
I saw a sale yesterday or the day before for 25¢ premade coiled wicks, and I thought, "Hey, here's your chance to go halfway." But then I thought, "Is this trip really necessary?" and the answer was NO. I already have 300 cartos, clearos, and replacement coil heads in my parts drawers, enough to last for years to come. So I passed. Start with 25¢ premade coils and end up buying $75 custom RBA tanks. No thanks.
In fact, I now find myself moving away from atties altogether. I know, I know---what about the Sacred Rule that atties produce the "purest" flavor? In the final reckoning, I guess I don't care much about that. Some of the various filler cartos and wicked clearo systems produce flavor that's more than good enough for me, and they are so much less trouble. Yes, I've still got a stock of 50 atties, and I'll keep atty-dripping to test new juices, but I just ordered ten SmokTech super-shorty cartos to replace the atties I've always used on my seven bottom-feeders. I plan to use 1.7 ohm shorties on my three 3.7-volt feeders and 2.5 ohm shorties on my four 5-volt feeders.
Will that please me? I don't know. How long will it last? I don't know.
JB (and everyone else),
Does anyone have a clue as to why it's seemingly so hard for us to make good DIY RY4s from scratch? I don't remember a single person on the thread posting that they made an RY4 from separate flavorings that was terrific. Mine aren't, and the ones I've tried from other members all lack whatever that certain something is that makes a great RY4.
Juice vendors don't seem to have this problem. Well, not all of them, to be sure (since the bottom third of the Big RY4 Report Card is populated by fairly pedestrian RY4s that are nothing to write home about) but some juice vendors make splendid RY4s. What do these retail juicemakers know that we don't? Or, what are they doing in their mixes that we're not?
If you've made a terrific RY4 from scratch, please let me know. If you'd be so kind, send me a sample, and tell me exactly how you made it.
Cool_Breeze, you just freeked me out. I'm watching David Gilmour in concert on the boob tube,
and I scroll down and see your avi. I'm not sayin' exact match, but put glasses on him and a
guitar in your hand...
I don't "know" Bill, but having been messing with this for some time now, I am beginning to suspect there is actually much more in commercial RY4 than the "big 3" they're telling us (and I can't say I blame them ) . I usually pick up at least hints of maple and other flavorrs so finding the "right combo" outside of tobacco, caramel and vanilla , "might" be the secret?
Well, that is my best guess at least for whatver it is worth LOL
Well, that is my best guess at least for whatver it is worth LOL
My guess is it's something to do with the caramel extract. The caramel in the RY4's that I've really enjoyed have bordered on almost tasting smoky or slightly charred. Most people think of Snickers when they think of caramel, and so that's what most of the candy oils are.
Or... it could be something as simple as "When you're making a liter of the flavoring for the sake of making 10 liters of the liquid, you have much more granularity when it comes to the final product".
Or even something as simple as "They buy cheaper nicotine/PG/VG since they're making liquid in bulk, which has a bit of a flavor which, for some reason, adds to the RY4 formula".
On a side note, I picked up 30mL of an RY4 from a semi-local (45 minutes each way, but more local than anywhere else) B&M today. Going to give it a few days to calm down before tasting it, but I'll be sure to let you guys know about it.
Or... it could be something as simple as "When you're making a liter of the flavoring for the sake of making 10 liters of the liquid, you have much more granularity when it comes to the final product".
Or even something as simple as "They buy cheaper nicotine/PG/VG since they're making liquid in bulk, which has a bit of a flavor which, for some reason, adds to the RY4 formula".
On a side note, I picked up 30mL of an RY4 from a semi-local (45 minutes each way, but more local than anywhere else) B&M today. Going to give it a few days to calm down before tasting it, but I'll be sure to let you guys know about it.
I'll put that ahead of the John Denver and Elton John references of years past. If only I had Mr. Glmour's talents...
Sometimes I think I'm a little too close for comfort to the Letterman/Simpson/Earnhardt axis.
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No I dont see it lol just not sure if anyone else has tried it, am I not seeing it I did a search and nothing Bill my eyes are getting bad dang it lol
Ok who wants to send me a taste of the DIY Want2Vape RY4, I vape 6mg if someone wants to mix it up will be happy to pay!!!
Ok who wants to send me a taste of the DIY Want2Vape RY4, I vape 6mg if someone wants to mix it up will be happy to pay!!!
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BTW Bill I was at ECSI Kick Juice and I know we had a disagrement on that one.... O the good ol days lol anyways they are working on new stuff maybe they will come out with a RY4 named RY4 lol
That toasted toffee is really good and so is the 555 which I think I like it better than VS Frisco...
That toasted toffee is really good and so is the 555 which I think I like it better than VS Frisco...
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Bill (and everyone else who may be interested) I "might be" getting closer to a decent if not great DIY RY4 ; I'm using TFA tobacco,(10%) TA mixed per instructions (small amount (10 drops from the bottle I have it mixed/diluted into which are tiny - tiny drops)- two different TFA Caramels, TFA Vanilla swirl, touch of maple syrup and (now get this shocker) Malted Milk (TFA) I dripped it fresh mixed and it seems promising,(actually quite good) - though time will tell after ample steeping if it is great or terrible LOL . It smells "divine" nice caramel/vanilla/tobacco scent from the bottle. (to my nose in that order)
Just thought I'd share what I've found at this point .
Just thought I'd share what I've found at this point .
Ok sounds great but if we put everything in it but the kitchen sink then the RY4 appeal is gone 
Agreed!
I "think" the point is that it's possible the good commercial RY4 creations likely have more than tobacco, caramel and vanilla? Also keep in mind I'm talking 10% tobacco , "normal range " of vanilla and caramel and small amounts of anything else
There is a balance (if that is the correct word) that the DIY RY4 "creator" lacks that is present in many good commercial blends as Bill has eluded . I came up with the "idea" that maybe I can figure out a blend to create something similar, maybe even good LOL .
I "think" the point is that it's possible the good commercial RY4 creations likely have more than tobacco, caramel and vanilla? Also keep in mind I'm talking 10% tobacco , "normal range " of vanilla and caramel and small amounts of anything else
There is a balance (if that is the correct word) that the DIY RY4 "creator" lacks that is present in many good commercial blends as Bill has eluded . I came up with the "idea" that maybe I can figure out a blend to create something similar, maybe even good LOL .
Jim Bob,
Great! Keep up the experimentation and good luck!
I can't recall the source, but awhile back I read a post somewhere saying that one well-known RY4 vendor used seven different caramel flavorings to make up the caramel component of their RY4.
I, too, tried malt in one of my DIY RY4s, and though that recipe mix didn't work out (what else is new?), I thought the malt component was interesting and complementary---worth keeping in my back pocket, so to speak.
I would guess that the recipes for many of the great RY4s are anything but simple. The magic comes in making the end result seem simple.
Maybe some vendor will break the "magician's secrecy" code and PM one of us with an actual recipe and any special tricks in mixing RY4. Yeah, and maybe pigs will fly...
Great! Keep up the experimentation and good luck!
I can't recall the source, but awhile back I read a post somewhere saying that one well-known RY4 vendor used seven different caramel flavorings to make up the caramel component of their RY4.
I, too, tried malt in one of my DIY RY4s, and though that recipe mix didn't work out (what else is new?), I thought the malt component was interesting and complementary---worth keeping in my back pocket, so to speak.
I would guess that the recipes for many of the great RY4s are anything but simple. The magic comes in making the end result seem simple.
Maybe some vendor will break the "magician's secrecy" code and PM one of us with an actual recipe and any special tricks in mixing RY4. Yeah, and maybe pigs will fly...
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