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The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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MyVapeJuice.com has sweetness options for their ejuices. No sweetener, just a tad, or hit it hard. Their RY4 is listed as slightly sweet (but without sweeteners). So I ordered two bottles, one stock and the other with just a tad.
Our RY4 (w/o sweetener) is a custom RY4. Caramel plays a heavy role. This is not caramel candy, but a dark, rich caramel. From inhale through exhale, the caramel coats your mouth with it's rich flavor. Behind the caramel you can taste a vanilla that is almost like pudding. Maybe more of a bavarian creme flavor, as the vanilla mixes with the stronger caramel.
But the best part of Our RY4 is the tobacco. This custom RY4 uses a strong yet smooth tobacco. It reminds me of Spring Vapor's Black line. It is an earthy tobacco without tasting dirty or woody. Almost (not quite) like a cigarette smells. The caramel/vanilla control the inhale, and the tobacco joins in on the exhale to create a delicious American RY4 blend.
I want to call this a dessert RY4, because the caramel/vanilla are like a fancy, rich, decadent, French dessert cake. But the tobacco gives it a grit that keeps me coming back for more.
Our RY4 (with just a tad of sweetener) is still a custom RY4. The sweetener controls the caramel a little, causing the vanilla to be a little brighter and out front. But the sweetener also curbs the richness of the dessert feel, changing the decadent French dessert into more of a Hostess Zinger.
Both are good, but I think when I reorder (and I will) I will leave it to the experts and order it straight up. Our RY4 from My Vape Juice gets an A for American RY4.
Our RY4, MyVapeJuice.com
Our RY4 (w/o sweetener) is a custom RY4. Caramel plays a heavy role. This is not caramel candy, but a dark, rich caramel. From inhale through exhale, the caramel coats your mouth with it's rich flavor. Behind the caramel you can taste a vanilla that is almost like pudding. Maybe more of a bavarian creme flavor, as the vanilla mixes with the stronger caramel.
But the best part of Our RY4 is the tobacco. This custom RY4 uses a strong yet smooth tobacco. It reminds me of Spring Vapor's Black line. It is an earthy tobacco without tasting dirty or woody. Almost (not quite) like a cigarette smells. The caramel/vanilla control the inhale, and the tobacco joins in on the exhale to create a delicious American RY4 blend.
I want to call this a dessert RY4, because the caramel/vanilla are like a fancy, rich, decadent, French dessert cake. But the tobacco gives it a grit that keeps me coming back for more.
Our RY4 (with just a tad of sweetener) is still a custom RY4. The sweetener controls the caramel a little, causing the vanilla to be a little brighter and out front. But the sweetener also curbs the richness of the dessert feel, changing the decadent French dessert into more of a Hostess Zinger.
Both are good, but I think when I reorder (and I will) I will leave it to the experts and order it straight up. Our RY4 from My Vape Juice gets an A for American RY4.
Our RY4, MyVapeJuice.com
dude,
Great review. I'm putting MyVapeJuice RY4 on The Big List, along with your review.
I'll include it in three categories: Stronger Tobacco, Caramel Rich, and Dessert (unless you instruct me differently).
Great review. I'm putting MyVapeJuice RY4 on The Big List, along with your review.
I'll include it in three categories: Stronger Tobacco, Caramel Rich, and Dessert (unless you instruct me differently).
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I just got some RY4 from Crystal E-Liquid and I am quite impressed. It's very smooth yet flavorful. No one aspect of the mix stands out over another. It's a great all day vape for me. It'll be interesting to see how it developes as I steep it for a few more days.
VV,
Yes, CrystalELiquid RY4 sure is good, isn't it? Personally, I like CEL's RY4 Double Tobacco a smidgen more, but both are terrific.
specs: The 10ml bottle of RY4 I purchased from TimelessVapor contains a nearly transparent golden-colored liquid at 16mg nic strength in 70/30 PG/VG base blend. The label includes nic level, base ratio, expiration month/year, and manufacturing lot number. That’s good and would be better if the label were well-designed. With a yellow font against the background of a multi-colored graphic scene, the print is very hard to read. Note to TimelessVapor: Your label has good info; could you make it more user-friendly, please? Although my bottle of juice was created in August 2012, I let it steep for five days anyway. Testing was done using a Boge 2.5 ohm carto powered by a variable-wattage Vamo APV set to 9 watts RMS.
TimelessVapor is a relatively new juice-only vendor who liquids are (in their words) “custom made for you.” I’m not entirely sure how to interpret that, since my bottle was apparently made five months before I purchased it. I’m going to assume that TimelessVapor’s juices are not literally made-to-order and that they’re invoking poetic license with their tag line. The description of RY4 on the TimelessVapor product page states:
“A smooth tobacco mixed with vanilla and caramel.”
Simple. To the point. And accurate. TimelessVapor RY4 is midway between the classic and custom profiles. As with many custom RY4s, caramel is the dominant flavor element. Not that the tobacco and vanilla are missing in any way, but they are quiet and smooth, content to remain in the background while caramel takes the lead. If the caramel were a little less up front, TimelessVapor RY4 would lean more toward the classic wing, since the juice has the characteristic classic brightness. As it is, with caramel in the lead, I’d probably consider this a custom RY4.
As a result, this RY4 will live or die for us based on how we feel about that leading caramel. Is this a chewy candy caramel or a gooey ice cream topping? Is the caramel deep? rich and buttery? sweet? Well, sort of. It's definitely the chewy variety, and yes, there is some depth, some richness, and some sweetness. Not powerfully so---this is not a dessert RY4, and it's not buttery---nor does it cause me think, “Holy Cow!” Instead, what my brain tells me when vaping TimelessVapor RY4 is “Hmmm. Interesting caramel. A bit unusual.” Not odd, just different. I think that may be due to the way the tobacco flavor (and perhaps the vanilla as well) interacts with the caramel, but I’m not sure, because the tobacco is---as TimelessVapor’s description states---smooth, and the vanilla is in wrap-around mode rather than clearly defined in taste.
Or the unusual flavor may be the result of the mix of caramels used here. Professional juicemakers often use more than one flavoring source to make up a core component. For instance, the core components of RY4 are tobacco, caramel, and vanilla, but a juicemaker might mix five or six different caramel flavorings to come up with the caramel core. That could be a factor with TimelessVapor RY4 and account for the "different-ness" I taste in the caramel. I have no way of knowing for sure. Maybe it's me more than the juice itself, but I can only report what I experience.
Anyway, the overall flavor does strike me as slightly unusual, enough so to keep TimelessVapor RY4 out of the top rank of best RY4s in the world, but not so much as to mire it with the losers and also-rans. I’ll put it in the “B” group, where lots of other good, solid RY4s can keep it company.
TimelessVapor RY4 grade: B
Link to purchase: TimelessVapor Tabacco - RY4
TimelessVapor is a relatively new juice-only vendor who liquids are (in their words) “custom made for you.” I’m not entirely sure how to interpret that, since my bottle was apparently made five months before I purchased it. I’m going to assume that TimelessVapor’s juices are not literally made-to-order and that they’re invoking poetic license with their tag line. The description of RY4 on the TimelessVapor product page states:
“A smooth tobacco mixed with vanilla and caramel.”
Simple. To the point. And accurate. TimelessVapor RY4 is midway between the classic and custom profiles. As with many custom RY4s, caramel is the dominant flavor element. Not that the tobacco and vanilla are missing in any way, but they are quiet and smooth, content to remain in the background while caramel takes the lead. If the caramel were a little less up front, TimelessVapor RY4 would lean more toward the classic wing, since the juice has the characteristic classic brightness. As it is, with caramel in the lead, I’d probably consider this a custom RY4.
As a result, this RY4 will live or die for us based on how we feel about that leading caramel. Is this a chewy candy caramel or a gooey ice cream topping? Is the caramel deep? rich and buttery? sweet? Well, sort of. It's definitely the chewy variety, and yes, there is some depth, some richness, and some sweetness. Not powerfully so---this is not a dessert RY4, and it's not buttery---nor does it cause me think, “Holy Cow!” Instead, what my brain tells me when vaping TimelessVapor RY4 is “Hmmm. Interesting caramel. A bit unusual.” Not odd, just different. I think that may be due to the way the tobacco flavor (and perhaps the vanilla as well) interacts with the caramel, but I’m not sure, because the tobacco is---as TimelessVapor’s description states---smooth, and the vanilla is in wrap-around mode rather than clearly defined in taste.
Or the unusual flavor may be the result of the mix of caramels used here. Professional juicemakers often use more than one flavoring source to make up a core component. For instance, the core components of RY4 are tobacco, caramel, and vanilla, but a juicemaker might mix five or six different caramel flavorings to come up with the caramel core. That could be a factor with TimelessVapor RY4 and account for the "different-ness" I taste in the caramel. I have no way of knowing for sure. Maybe it's me more than the juice itself, but I can only report what I experience.
Anyway, the overall flavor does strike me as slightly unusual, enough so to keep TimelessVapor RY4 out of the top rank of best RY4s in the world, but not so much as to mire it with the losers and also-rans. I’ll put it in the “B” group, where lots of other good, solid RY4s can keep it company.
TimelessVapor RY4 grade: B
Link to purchase: TimelessVapor Tabacco - RY4
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specs: The 10ml bottle of Happy Es Favorite RY4 I purchased from HappyESmoker contains a nearly transparent golden-colored liquid at 18mg nic strength in an unspecified base blend (from the viscosity, Id guess 70/30 or 80/20 PG/VG). The label includes the nic level, but nothing about the base blend, with no born on or expiration dates listed. I let the juice steep for five days after receiving it. Testing was done using a Boge 2.5 ohm carto powered by a variable-wattage Vamo APV set to 9 watts RMS.
The description on the HappyESmoker product page states:
Happy E's favorite RY4 blend!! A combo of tobacco and caramel creating a deliciously memorable flavor... Great daily vape!! Perfect for first time eSmokers. Happy E currently keeps the recipe for RY4 in the same vault where the colonel keeps his.
Happy Es Favorite RY4 is a member of that rarest of species: a Classic RY4 from an American vendor. Thats especially unusual for an RY4 that's made in the USA and whose ingredients are 100% natural and organic. This is a very bright and almost balanced RY4, with a light flavor profile. Not that it lacks flavor, but it leans away from the deeper, more intense flavor elements of a typical custom RY4. Happy Es Favorite remains true to the Chinese roots of RY4 and mostly honors that lineage.
Compared to the top-rated Chinese classic RY4s, differences do exist, primarily in the tobacco base. With RY4s like Janty and Dekang, the tobacco is seamlessly integrated into the caramel and vanilla, and vice versa. The flavor components meld into. In those RY4s, the tobacco makes its presence felt, but has no discernible taste of its own. In Happy Es Favorite, however, the tobacco has a definite flavor. I dont know if its an NET or a synthetic, but if it is synthetic, its a very flavorful mix of tobaccos. From the first toke on, Happy Es RY4 tells you that its a tobacco juice.
That quality could be a plus or minus, depending on a couple of variables. First, the tobacco flavor needs to be pleasing, with no odd off-tastes. Second, the tobacco must harmonize rather than clash with the caramel-vanilla and any other flavors, such as the subtle nuttiness I taste in this juice. Happy Es Favorite RY4 succeeds pretty well on both levels. The tobacco flavor is fine, and it plays well with the other core flavors.
The caramel-vanilla-nuttiness here is well-blended but not as rich as in, say, Janty RY4s, mainly because the caramel is light. (Caramel-rich RY4s tend have a more unified overall taste, since the caramel glues together all the flavors.) That slight lack of depth and richness takes down Happy Es Favorite about half a grade, but its still really good. This is a lovely rendition of RY4, friendly and playful (as opposed to distinguished and formal). As the vendor description implies, this is an easy juice to like. While just a tad shy of terrific, Happy Es Favorite RY4 is a welcome addition to The Big List, and well worth having in any RY4 lovers stash.
HappyESmoker Happy Es Favorite RY4 grade: B+
Link to purchase: HappyESmoker - Happy Es Favorite RY4
The description on the HappyESmoker product page states:
Happy E's favorite RY4 blend!! A combo of tobacco and caramel creating a deliciously memorable flavor... Great daily vape!! Perfect for first time eSmokers. Happy E currently keeps the recipe for RY4 in the same vault where the colonel keeps his.
Happy Es Favorite RY4 is a member of that rarest of species: a Classic RY4 from an American vendor. Thats especially unusual for an RY4 that's made in the USA and whose ingredients are 100% natural and organic. This is a very bright and almost balanced RY4, with a light flavor profile. Not that it lacks flavor, but it leans away from the deeper, more intense flavor elements of a typical custom RY4. Happy Es Favorite remains true to the Chinese roots of RY4 and mostly honors that lineage.
Compared to the top-rated Chinese classic RY4s, differences do exist, primarily in the tobacco base. With RY4s like Janty and Dekang, the tobacco is seamlessly integrated into the caramel and vanilla, and vice versa. The flavor components meld into. In those RY4s, the tobacco makes its presence felt, but has no discernible taste of its own. In Happy Es Favorite, however, the tobacco has a definite flavor. I dont know if its an NET or a synthetic, but if it is synthetic, its a very flavorful mix of tobaccos. From the first toke on, Happy Es RY4 tells you that its a tobacco juice.
That quality could be a plus or minus, depending on a couple of variables. First, the tobacco flavor needs to be pleasing, with no odd off-tastes. Second, the tobacco must harmonize rather than clash with the caramel-vanilla and any other flavors, such as the subtle nuttiness I taste in this juice. Happy Es Favorite RY4 succeeds pretty well on both levels. The tobacco flavor is fine, and it plays well with the other core flavors.
The caramel-vanilla-nuttiness here is well-blended but not as rich as in, say, Janty RY4s, mainly because the caramel is light. (Caramel-rich RY4s tend have a more unified overall taste, since the caramel glues together all the flavors.) That slight lack of depth and richness takes down Happy Es Favorite about half a grade, but its still really good. This is a lovely rendition of RY4, friendly and playful (as opposed to distinguished and formal). As the vendor description implies, this is an easy juice to like. While just a tad shy of terrific, Happy Es Favorite RY4 is a welcome addition to The Big List, and well worth having in any RY4 lovers stash.
HappyESmoker Happy Es Favorite RY4 grade: B+
Link to purchase: HappyESmoker - Happy Es Favorite RY4
Where is Totally Wicked's RY4?
Totally Wicked RY4 hasn't been reviewed. If you'd like to send me a sample, I'll by happy to review, categorize, grade, and add it to The Big List. Or you're very welcome to review it yourself here on the thread.
I will try to get you a 10ml bottle, just for kicks.
Gotta steep like 3 weeks though!
Gotta steep like 3 weeks though!
Thanks, Lexos, that'd be great. Totally Wicked RY4 is one of passerbyeus' favorite RY4s. I'm sure he'll be pleased if it gets reviewed.
I'll PM y9u my address.
My review listing (Includes RY4 from TW)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...os-e-liquid-reviews-opinions.html#post7961026
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...os-e-liquid-reviews-opinions.html#post7961026
Lexos and passerbyeus,
TotallyWicked is having a pre-Christmas Yo-Yo sale today. A 30ml bottle of Patriot Range Ruyan4/RY4 was 27% off---$14.59 rather than $19.99. So, I ordered a bottle. More spending like a drunken sailor.
Passer: Once I've done the review, I won't need 28 mls more of TW RY4. Perhaps I can sell you 20mls or so? I'm not looking to make a profit, just recoup a bit of my outlay. If that's not something you'd like, no matter. What's an extra 20mls in 9 liters? LOL. (Actually, it's .0222%---1/45th of 1%.)
TotallyWicked is having a pre-Christmas Yo-Yo sale today. A 30ml bottle of Patriot Range Ruyan4/RY4 was 27% off---$14.59 rather than $19.99. So, I ordered a bottle. More spending like a drunken sailor.
Passer: Once I've done the review, I won't need 28 mls more of TW RY4. Perhaps I can sell you 20mls or so? I'm not looking to make a profit, just recoup a bit of my outlay. If that's not something you'd like, no matter. What's an extra 20mls in 9 liters? LOL. (Actually, it's .0222%---1/45th of 1%.)
I could possible do that but Im telling ya its a keeper!!!
You may be right. Time will tell.
Thing is, I already have more than 2.5 liters of RY4s, including more than a liter of most of the very best RY4s in the world. If RY4s were fish, I'd be like the fisherman whose catch was so huge that his boat was swamped and the fish ended up rotting in the holds. I need more large bottles of RY4 like I need, well, let's just say that I don't need any more large bottles of RY4. LOL. I keep buying them because either the vendor who has an RY4 I need to review sells it only in 30ml bottles (as with V4L Jammin), or---like today with TotallyWicked---buying 10mls will set me back nine bucks with shipping, so I foolishly choose to buy 30mls for $17 because I can't stand the thought of paying $1 per ml after adding on the damned shipping charges. (That's bad logic, but you know what I'm talking about.)
Anyway, as you may understand already since I've posted it often, I'm long past vaping RY4s for pleasure. It's an occupational hazard, I guess. Yes, I have two 50-count ammo cases holding 100 labeled RY4 cartos right in front of me, and I comparison-vape RY4s almost every day, but I do that because it's my JOB. My personal melangerie of 60-or-so daily juices that are PV-loaded and ready-to-vape on my desk and bedside doesn't include a single RY4. Meanwhile, my accumulated stash of RY4s (which now take up five drawers---an entire juice cabinet just for RY4s) grows ever larger.
It's a damn good thing I don't spend much money on anything else. Apart from rent, vaping is my biggest single monthly expense.
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