The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[M_FactorX19]

Bill,

yeah it should be a good week for me. im like you and have to try everything when it comes in and i know it will be hard waiting for the BWB to steep. i almost ordered the Vapor Rooms RY4 as well but i had already spent way to much on juice already. i dont even need any more juice its just hard not to try new things. i will be looking forward however to hearing you thoughts on it.

i dont know if you noticed but i offered to send you some of the new NLV RY4 when i read in one of the NLV threads you hadnt tried it and they were sold out. i cant wait to read your new review and im glad you were able to get a bottle.

i still have half a 10ml bottle of the original formula and a 30ml bottle of the newer version. you can tell by looking at the two they are different. i havent compared the taste of them side by side yet but i should. you can still tell the new version is NLV's RY4 but it does have subtle differences that im sure would be more prominent if compared side by side.

anyone that has read any of my posts knows im a big NLV fan. they really make some great juice and have some of the best prices to boot. the thing that really makes them shine and stand out for me though is their customer service. it really is above and beyond. its really good to hear they are doing so well now.

 

[Zombitedesade]

Just putting itout there, that paradise vapes appear to have a caramel blended RY4 on sale right now, 60mls of the stuff for £15 (sorry I haven't looked at the candian site to compare dollar price, but that's unbelievably good in uk pounds).

Paradise vapes is freshly batched and requires steeping. I haven't tried their caramel blended RY4, instead just their original version. Suffice to say after 2 weeks steeping it's a flavourful blend. Sweet with a very strong aroma of cakes / candy in it's vapour. It's actually very nice though and not without it's tobacco charms either, though for me it's certianly on the sweeter end of the scale.

A caramel blended version will likely be sweeter again. Still at that price for 60mls I can't complain.

 

[rook2pawn]

Update:

VapeRite VR4 Organic and the High Caliber ouR4 : I originally tasted both on an Ego-T, and the ouR4 tasted better. I then realized that the low-power of the ego-T even at LR isn't enough to make the VR4 stand out, until I vaped it at 3.7V on my 510, and I have to say the VR4 is hands down absolutely superior to the ouR4 at 3.7V.

The ouR4 at 3.7V is precisely as billherbst described, a bit too "pineapple" for me. But on an Ego-T the ouR4 is a champ, and the VR4 is not really "activated" if that makes sense

Btw, Halo CoolMist is the BEST menthol mixer i've ever tried. Try mixing a ry4 with CoolMist, and you'll be plesantly surprised. CoolMist has a subtle sweetness in its menthol, and is NOT icy or overpowering with signature flavors from the rest of Halo's menthol lineup (Tiki, TruePure, Menthol Ice)..

I also recommend a 50/50 pg/vg dilution (about 20%) on the VR4 as it helps to space out the amazing flavor into more recognizable bits.

 

[Makidigital]

I'm a daily RY4 vaper and my Top 3 would be as follows:

1. Kick Bass Vapor
2. Nite Lite Vapor
3. Volcano

It goes to show you how everyone has very different tastes because a few of the vendors in your top 10 I didn't like at all. For example, im not a big fan of BBWs ry4, i think its very overratted. But as of yet I haven't seen anyone come close to KBVs Ry4, it's so gooey delicious! I'm gonna start drinking the stuff soon lol.

 

[GMalarkey]

Does the Ikenvape RY4 Gold come in PG 26mg strength?

 

[billherbst]

Does the Ikenvape RY4 Gold come in PG 26mg strength?

GM,

According the the web site, Ikenvape's 20ml bottle of PG blend (70/30) RY4 Gold comes in all the "normal" nic strengths---0mg, 12mg, 18mg, and 24mg. Oddly enough, the 30ml bottle comes only in 18mg.

 

[billherbst]

I'm a daily RY4 vaper and my Top 3 would be as follows:

1. Kick Bass Vapor
2. Nite Lite Vapor
3. Volcano

It goes to show you how everyone has very different tastes because a few of the vendors in your top 10 I didn't like at all. For example, im not a big fan of BBWs ry4, i think its very overratted. But as of yet I haven't seen anyone come close to KBVs Ry4, it's so gooey delicious! I'm gonna start drinking the stuff soon lol.

Maki,

That's why this thread exists: to let us all give a shout out to the RY4s we love and the ones we don't love so much, and to describe their flavor profiles, so that people have a leg up in choosing how to spend their hard earned money among all the various RY4s and RY4-variants available in the market. It's the One and the Many in manifestation---the One in that we share a common interest in RY4, the Many in that we celebrate the differences in RY4 recipes/flavors and also our diverse reactions to them.

Now, someone considering KBV RY4 has both your take on it (gooey delicious) and my take on it (the same signature base as so many of the other KBV juices), which may help them decide whether or not to order some.

It would have been even more helpful if you'd told us why you think BWB RY4 is overrated, but even without that, readers can glean some sense of your flavor preferences. If they too like the three RY4s you listed as faves, they might be well-advised to avoid BWB.

 

[bassnut]

The posts above by emerl and Stillsmok9 seem to imply that we now have two different "original" RY4s: The first-ever (therefore "original") RY4 formula created by Ludo and still sold by Janty, but also another version of early RY4 marketed by Dekang (the "original Dekang RY4") that vanished mysteriously in 2010 and has now achieved mythic status among some vapers (StillSmok9 among them) as the "lost RY4".

Is that where things stand, or have I misunderstood the posts?

I'm sort of catching up here, Bill, but this post made me want to declare that I can tell very little difference between Dekang RY4 and Janty RY4. I've been vaping them alternately for about 3 weeks here at my day job via a LR 510 atty on a passthru.

I received both bottles at about the same time and both have the same nic content. If anything one might have a very slightly more "piney" taste and the other just barely sweeter. Refilling the cart alternately with each leaves me with the impression that they're basically identical.

In order to confirm this I'd probably have to quit both for awhile and revisit them later.

 

[billherbst]

bassnut,

One problem we all have with the use of the term "Dekang RY4" is that Dekang may have changed either its recipe or sourcing of ingredients more than once since their earlier formula was lost (stolen) in May 2010. The 50ml bottle of Dekang pre-mix RY4 I use for review and testing is from Madvapes, purchased in November 2010. I have two newer and smaller bottles of Dekang pre-mix purchased from other vendors early in 2011, and none of the three tastes identical. Same base, same nic strength, same name, but different flavor.

I just did a comparison vape, and I can say with certainty (well, subjective certainty, anyway) that the Madvapes Dekang RY4 I have is "leaner" than my Janty Classic RY4 sample. Janty is richer and clearly contains flavors that the MV DK doesn't (including the slight "piney" taste you noted, but others as well that I can't define easily). The MV Dekang is good, but it's a stripped-down-to-bare-bones RY4. Just the basics done very well---nice and clean---which is why I use it as my "reference standard" here on the thread. By contrast, the Janty Classic I have is downright superlative in its breadth of nuanced flavors and rich fullness. At any rate, I would never mistake one for the other.

This is not meant to imply that your impressions are wrong. As I sit here on the Oregon coast 800 miles north of you in L.A., odds are probably very high that we're not vaping the same juices. Our respective bottles of Janty RY4 might easily be identical, but I'll bet our Dekangs are different.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

Bill, when you do your rankings do you know what you know the brand of juice before you test it? If so, it might be good idea to try a blind taste test to eliminate the placebo effect.

Food for thought...

 

[dcot]

Just visited the Jantry site. What is the difference between their RY4 and the RY4 X.

 

[billherbst]

Bill, when you do your rankings do you know what you know the brand of juice before you test it? If so, it might be good idea to try a blind taste test to eliminate the placebo effect. Food for thought...

Still,

You should imagine me screaming as I read your post. "AAAAaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!!!" LOL.

Oh boy, blind taste tests! No, wait, let's do double-blind taste tests, so that nobody knows what's being vaped. And let's do the testing in a big clean-room lab with white coats, stainless steel tables, and lots of test tubes and centrifuges and scientific stuff like that. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Before I started this Frankenstein thread, I had a bunch of different RY4s, I don't know, maybe 10 or 11. Now I have 36 of them, with more on the way. I daresay that if you began handing me PVs loaded anonymously with each RY4, my brain would overload and go into cortical brown-out so fast that after five or six samples I probably couldn't distinguish even the most obvious ones (like VR4 or Ikenvape or---god forbid---oRYental 4). They would all meld into a confused RY4 haze.

I know I write sometimes that I could tell certain RY4s apart even blindfolded, but I mean it poetically, invoking literary license for a nice turn of phrase. In my best Foghorn Leghorn imitation, I have to confess, "Thas' a joke---I say---a JOKE, son!!"

Shoot, it's all I can do to identify the flavors when I do know what the juice is.

 

[billherbst]

Just visited the Jantry site. What is the difference between their RY4 and the RY4 X.

The iVapour site---Janty's primary retailer in the UK---has the following info:

"The all NEW RY4 X liquid is based off of the standard Janty RY4 flavor. RY4 X provides a smoother and subtle flavor, making this an excellent choice for your go-to flavor! This liquid is based on both PG and VG, giving it both a great throat hit, as well as massive vapor."

Apparently RY4 X is formulated as a milder, toned-down and more subtle version of regular RY4, making one less likely to grow tired of the flavor. A subtler, all-day vape RY4.

 

[GMalarkey]

GM,

According the the web site, Ikenvape's 20ml bottle of PG blend (70/30) RY4 Gold comes in all the "normal" nic strengths---0mg, 12mg, 18mg, and 24mg. Oddly enough, the 30ml bottle comes only in 18mg.

Thank you sir, I was wondering if I was missing something.

 

[Mickster]

I have spent hours reading this thread now. So glad to find it! I have been looking for a nutty RY4 and the breakdowns have been excellent. It's turned me on to a few vendors I wouldn't have even have thought of trying. Keep up the good work!

 

[M_FactorX19]

well i recieved all the RY4s and other juices i ordered yesterday and today. the RY4s that i got were Ikenvape's RY4, Joogler Juice's Jooglers Blend, Vaperite's VR4 and RY4, and last but not lease Backwoods Brew's RY4. i havent had a chance to try them all but will speak my opinions on a couple.

until now my favorite RY4 has been Prime Vapings PV4. i fiinally found something to give it a run for its money. that juice is Vaperite's VR4. both use a natural tobacco extracted base which i love. thats really where the similaraties stop though. VR4 has an almost buttery caramel where PV4 is a rich caramel. i can also taste the vanilla more in the VR4 than PV4 (not to say its not there with PV4). i also dont get the nuttyness i get from PV4 with VR4. in the end PV4 will be loosing PV time to VR4 in the battle for the the #1 juice for me.

i also tried Ikenvapes RY4 to me it taste just like Dekang RY4 just with more flavor. i think it needs a little time to steep before i make a final call so i will leave it at that.

i havent had tried the other RY4s i recieved but will soon. im really trying to give the born on 8/2 BWB RY4 time to steep before i try but its really hard to wait!! i might even have to try some tomorrow just to see how much it changes along the way.

 

[GMalarkey]

What is the taste difference between the natural tobacco and synthetic versions? Plus does anyone know of a basic rundown of which major vendors discussed here use which?

 

[M_FactorX19]

to me the taste difference is huge. ive only found a very few vendors that i like their synthetic versions and tobaccos of some sort are about all i vape. not everyone will love extracted tobaccos im sure but for me its the only way to go. i hate having any chemical taste in eliquid and am very sensitive to it. i guess a good way to think of it is like the difference in taste between real cheeries and cherry flavoring. yes both might taste good but the cherry flavoring just isnt like the real thing. (substitute an fruit you want).

there arent many vendors that use extracted tobaccos though. Backwoods Brew, some of Prime Vaping, some of Vaperite, some of Want2vape, and i think Vermillion River are the ones i know for sure do. there might be a couple others but im sick and my brain isnt working as well as it should so ill let someone else add to it if so.

the only thing i dislike about extacted tobaccos is that they sometimes dont play nice with my Boge cartos. Bill gave me the tip to use clear dual coils so i could take them apart when they needed cleaning and that seems to work a lot better.

 

[GMalarkey]

Thanks that gives me a good comparison. I think I'll have to buy some of the extracted tobacco just to check it out.

 

[billherbst]

From what I gather in reading, at least one major Chinese eliquid manufacturer (can't remember who) is now using what it calls both "essence" and/or "extract" in its tobacco-flavored juices. I assume that these are in addition to the purely synthetic flavorings made in the chemist's lab. But then, maybe "essence" IS the synthetic stuff, for all I know.

I read this in the transcript of email exchanges between a supplier and the Chinese manufacturing rep.

The rep wrote that essence is lighter in color, has less flavor, but is stable (meaning that the flavor lasts), whereas extract is darker, has more flavor, but the flavor diminishes over time.

What motivated the email exchange was the supplier's concern over inconsistencies in flavor and even color from one production run to the next of the same juice. The rep essentially admitted that consistency was impossible, given all the variables---changing sourcing of ingredients, altered recipes, transport and aging, and user methods.