Yeah their 26mg is always sold out, I guess it's popular. Lol. They do have one they call custom china that they add the nic to, not sure how good that will be. But thanks for the assist, I will keep an eye on theirs as well.
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Yeah their 26mg is always sold out, I guess it's popular. Lol. They do have one they call custom china that they add the nic to, not sure how good that will be. But thanks for the assist, I will keep an eye on theirs as well.
Rath,
On the UnSmoke.us site in the juice section, the picture under the title of "RY4" is oRYental4, which is sort of an Italian version of RY4 flavor from FlavourArt. That was the only RY4 I saw on UnSmoke's site, so I assume that's the RY4 you're recommending. For what it's worth (maybe nothing), FA oRYental4 has been reviewed and ranked here.
Not to rain on your parade---I'm glad you like it and thanks for posting the heads up---but I have to admit that oRYental4 is one of my personal least favorite RY4s. In this case, though, I'm happy that your mileage did, indeed, vary, and that my floor turned out to be your ceiling.
GMalarkey,
I just checked Health Cabin's site, and while they are indeed sold out of the 26mg/18mg Dekang RY4 in 50ml or 20ml bottles, Health Cabin does have stock of the 24mg Dekang RY4 in either 10ml or 30ml bottles.
The question I've wondered about is: Are these the same formula/production run? I mean, why are the 20ml/50ml bottles listed at 26mg, while the 10ml/30ml bottles are 24mg? What gives with that? Only thing I know for sure is that the Dekang RY4 I ranked so highly and really love is the 26mg in 50ml bottles---and that's the one that seems to sell out within a couple days of being re-stocked.
Anyway, if you want to try the 24mg Dekang RY4 in 30ml bottles, that's available now. Price is not quite the deal of the 50ml bottles but still very good ($6.50 for 30mls plus four bucks and change for the slower China Air Mail shipping). If you happen to order some, I'd appreciate your either posting here or PM'ing me after you try it as to whether or not the 24mg RY4 is the same formula/taste as the fantastic 26mg stuff.
30ml DEKANG E-juice/E-Liquid with 63 Flavors [DEKANG 30] - $6.50 : Healthcabin Electronic Cigarettes - Wholesale and Retail--
GMalarkey,
Another source of the 24mg Dekang RY4 is Value Vapor. VV states on their site that their eliquid is authentic Dekang that comes straight from the factory and isn't mixed, re-mixed, or re-branded. Price is pretty good---$9.99 for 30mls (I don't know the shipping cost).
e-Liquid Ry4 Tobacco Flavor (HIGH 24mg) Dekang e-Liquid Ry4 Tobacco Flavor (24mg) [e-Ry4] - $4.99 : ValueVapor.com, Discount Electronic Cigarettes and e-Liquid
Another source of the 24mg Dekang RY4 is Value Vapor. VV states on their site that their eliquid is authentic Dekang that comes straight from the factory and isn't mixed, re-mixed, or re-branded. Price is pretty good---$9.99 for 30mls (I don't know the shipping cost).
e-Liquid Ry4 Tobacco Flavor (HIGH 24mg) Dekang e-Liquid Ry4 Tobacco Flavor (24mg) [e-Ry4] - $4.99 : ValueVapor.com, Discount Electronic Cigarettes and e-Liquid
Like many juice vendors---and especially the artisan juice-makers---CopperCreek adds new flavor blends to its lineup from time to time. Awhile back, CopperCreek came up with a tobacco juice---their first tobacco flavor---that was described on site as their twist on RY4. That juice was Twisted Tobacco, which I bought, reviewed, and ranked. As a tobacco blend, it was interesting and pretty good. As an RY4-variant, however, I felt that it failed, in large part because the tobacco element wasn't up to snuff for me, and Twisted Tobacco's low ranking reflected that feeling.
Just recently, CopperCreek came up with their second tobacco juice, called Voodoo. The on-site description says: "Creamy caramel and vanilla, with tobacco undertones." Hmmm, what does that remind you of? Sounds suspiciously like another RY4-variant to me. So, of course, I ordered a bottle. Like all CopperCreek juices, the base is a 40/60 PG/VG blend, so vapor production is stellar. I ordered 18mg nic, my standard concentration these days. Color of the juice is auburn---a medium reddish-brown.
Voodoo is the juice I posted about yesterday, the one I was so excited over and hinted might break into the Top 10. Well, crap, I spoke too soon again. I seem to be fairly even-tempered about juices I don't like much, but I often go over the top initially for juices I do like. Then I come to my senses, as it were. Voodoo is good, but not Top 10 good.
Despite that retraction of excessive enthusiasm, however, I like Voodoo. I like it a lot, actually. What Twisted Tobacco was supposed to be (but wasn't, in my earlier estimation), Voodoo is---namely, a worthy entry in the RY4-variant category.
How does Voodoo improve on Twisted Tobacco? Well, I'll tell you, but first a small confession: Often, I can't discern the flavoring sources used in juice blends. With caramel, for instance, I usually can't tell whether it's from Lorann, Capella, or Perfumer's Apprentice. Sometimes I can, but mostly I can't. As an end user, all I'm sure of is that one caramel tastes different from another. So, I'm unable to report whether the flavorings used in Twisted Tobacco and Voodoo are from different source suppliers, or if they're the same source ingredients mixed in different proportions. I am able, however, to discuss the end result.
Twisted Tobacco is balanced---tobacco, caramel, and vanilla have equal weight in the blend and meld into a single overall taste experience. By contrast, Voodoo throws balance and unity right out the window in favor of individual flavor impact. In Voodoo, caramel is the star, taking center-stage and luxuriating in the spotlight. Thankfully, though, tobacco and vanilla are more than mere back-up singers. Each weighs in, adding harmonies to the caramel melody. The tobacco base provides a dark and complex low end that has a nice bite, while the vanilla goes soprano, taking care of the high end. Each flavor enhances the other two, although vapers who love caramel-rich RY4s will be happiest.
This is why I went so gaga after initially atty-dripping Voodoo yesterday. I don't mean that the individual flavors are intense, but the overall flavor impact is stunning. Lots of "Wow!" factor. CopperCreek's doesn't offer an option for "extra flavor," so this is the standard mix, but more flavor would probably be overkill and ruin the juice. As is, the flavor experience is more than ample.
Voodoo is a cousin of Vaperite VR4, my all-time favorite RY4-variant, another extremely caramel-rich juice. The caramel in VR4 is liquid-like and gooey, while the caramel in Voodoo is more, well, chewy. Neither is particularly sweet, but both are very rich. Another difference is that VR4's tobacco is clean and bright, whereas Voodoo's is similar to Twisted Tobacco's---dense and dark, with some spiciness. I know that Vaperite uses natural tobacco extract macerated in-house, but Copper Creek's tobacco flavorings are not stated on their site. I'd guess that at least some Tobacco Absolute is used because of the "Bulgarian" darkness of the tobacco flavor.
Is Voodoo better than VR4? I don't think so today, but ask me again next week. It is good enough, however, to earn a spot in the second 10 of the Big List. Since I've been vaping both Voodoo and Twisted Tobacco for an entire day to compare and contrast them, an unexpected side effect is that I while I like Voodoo's extremism, I now appreciate Twisted Tobacco's balance more than I did before. As a result, I think I'll move it up some in the next revision of the rankings.
Voodoo's Ranking: #16
Category Groups: Caramel-Rich, Variants (non-typical)
Please keep in mind that CopperCreek Voodoo is definitely not a "classic RY4." It's an RY4-variant all the way, right out to the edge, and thus, not necessarily to every RY4-lover's taste. If you like stretching the envelope, however, Voodoo does that very well.
I'll wait to post another update/revision of the rankings/categories Big List until after I do a couple more new reviews in the days ahead.
Just recently, CopperCreek came up with their second tobacco juice, called Voodoo. The on-site description says: "Creamy caramel and vanilla, with tobacco undertones." Hmmm, what does that remind you of? Sounds suspiciously like another RY4-variant to me. So, of course, I ordered a bottle. Like all CopperCreek juices, the base is a 40/60 PG/VG blend, so vapor production is stellar. I ordered 18mg nic, my standard concentration these days. Color of the juice is auburn---a medium reddish-brown.
Voodoo is the juice I posted about yesterday, the one I was so excited over and hinted might break into the Top 10. Well, crap, I spoke too soon again. I seem to be fairly even-tempered about juices I don't like much, but I often go over the top initially for juices I do like. Then I come to my senses, as it were. Voodoo is good, but not Top 10 good.
Despite that retraction of excessive enthusiasm, however, I like Voodoo. I like it a lot, actually. What Twisted Tobacco was supposed to be (but wasn't, in my earlier estimation), Voodoo is---namely, a worthy entry in the RY4-variant category.
How does Voodoo improve on Twisted Tobacco? Well, I'll tell you, but first a small confession: Often, I can't discern the flavoring sources used in juice blends. With caramel, for instance, I usually can't tell whether it's from Lorann, Capella, or Perfumer's Apprentice. Sometimes I can, but mostly I can't. As an end user, all I'm sure of is that one caramel tastes different from another. So, I'm unable to report whether the flavorings used in Twisted Tobacco and Voodoo are from different source suppliers, or if they're the same source ingredients mixed in different proportions. I am able, however, to discuss the end result.
Twisted Tobacco is balanced---tobacco, caramel, and vanilla have equal weight in the blend and meld into a single overall taste experience. By contrast, Voodoo throws balance and unity right out the window in favor of individual flavor impact. In Voodoo, caramel is the star, taking center-stage and luxuriating in the spotlight. Thankfully, though, tobacco and vanilla are more than mere back-up singers. Each weighs in, adding harmonies to the caramel melody. The tobacco base provides a dark and complex low end that has a nice bite, while the vanilla goes soprano, taking care of the high end. Each flavor enhances the other two, although vapers who love caramel-rich RY4s will be happiest.
This is why I went so gaga after initially atty-dripping Voodoo yesterday. I don't mean that the individual flavors are intense, but the overall flavor impact is stunning. Lots of "Wow!" factor. CopperCreek's doesn't offer an option for "extra flavor," so this is the standard mix, but more flavor would probably be overkill and ruin the juice. As is, the flavor experience is more than ample.
Voodoo is a cousin of Vaperite VR4, my all-time favorite RY4-variant, another extremely caramel-rich juice. The caramel in VR4 is liquid-like and gooey, while the caramel in Voodoo is more, well, chewy. Neither is particularly sweet, but both are very rich. Another difference is that VR4's tobacco is clean and bright, whereas Voodoo's is similar to Twisted Tobacco's---dense and dark, with some spiciness. I know that Vaperite uses natural tobacco extract macerated in-house, but Copper Creek's tobacco flavorings are not stated on their site. I'd guess that at least some Tobacco Absolute is used because of the "Bulgarian" darkness of the tobacco flavor.
Is Voodoo better than VR4? I don't think so today, but ask me again next week. It is good enough, however, to earn a spot in the second 10 of the Big List. Since I've been vaping both Voodoo and Twisted Tobacco for an entire day to compare and contrast them, an unexpected side effect is that I while I like Voodoo's extremism, I now appreciate Twisted Tobacco's balance more than I did before. As a result, I think I'll move it up some in the next revision of the rankings.
Voodoo's Ranking: #16
Category Groups: Caramel-Rich, Variants (non-typical)
Please keep in mind that CopperCreek Voodoo is definitely not a "classic RY4." It's an RY4-variant all the way, right out to the edge, and thus, not necessarily to every RY4-lover's taste. If you like stretching the envelope, however, Voodoo does that very well.
I'll wait to post another update/revision of the rankings/categories Big List until after I do a couple more new reviews in the days ahead.
Neat thread, Riskee Yuice was my first favorite, and still is...
I am currently puffing on, yes NO KIDDING, original flavour Riskee Yuice. It's actually labelled "Like Smoke", for you oldtimers who still remember the evolution of Puresmoker Riskee. I still have almost 2 50ML bottles of 36mg of it left, from a full shoebox full that I got, when you could still get it. I think "Like Smoke"/Riskee was supposed to emulate RY4, not positive though.
I also have a pile of real original RY4, made by Ruyan. It is what came in the carts with my Ruyan "Bling" cigar quite a while ago. It's definitely nutty, ridiculous tasty, and it's somewhat related to Riskee, but not that close. I think I have about 300 carts left, lol. They are only 16mg, so they don't get much use. Great on airplanes, because the vape cloud disappears real quick.
I've tried a lot of RY4 "clones" - it's a hard one to match. Plus it seems like a moving target - the next clone of RY4 tries to emulate some previous clone of RY4, and I think the original kinda got lost in the confusion. RY4 seems to mean "Caramel/Vanilla with a hint of some obscure fruit" now ... instead of the nutty cotton candy caramel it began as.
I am currently puffing on, yes NO KIDDING, original flavour Riskee Yuice. It's actually labelled "Like Smoke", for you oldtimers who still remember the evolution of Puresmoker Riskee. I still have almost 2 50ML bottles of 36mg of it left, from a full shoebox full that I got, when you could still get it. I think "Like Smoke"/Riskee was supposed to emulate RY4, not positive though.
I also have a pile of real original RY4, made by Ruyan. It is what came in the carts with my Ruyan "Bling" cigar quite a while ago. It's definitely nutty, ridiculous tasty, and it's somewhat related to Riskee, but not that close. I think I have about 300 carts left, lol. They are only 16mg, so they don't get much use. Great on airplanes, because the vape cloud disappears real quick.
I've tried a lot of RY4 "clones" - it's a hard one to match. Plus it seems like a moving target - the next clone of RY4 tries to emulate some previous clone of RY4, and I think the original kinda got lost in the confusion. RY4 seems to mean "Caramel/Vanilla with a hint of some obscure fruit" now ... instead of the nutty cotton candy caramel it began as.
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RjG,
Wow. 100mls of original Cash Riskee. That's like having a case of Dom Perignon 1947 (or maybe not---I'm not a wine connoiseur). I know at least one reader of this thread who will go absolutely bonkers when she reads your post. She's been on a quest to discover something that can satisfy her craving for original Riskee Yuice and would sell her grandmother into white slavery to get some.
And all those carts of the fabled "lost" Dekang. In fairness, I should mention that, according to Ludo, one of the owners of Janty, that Dekang is not the "original" RY4. Ludo claims that on a visit to a Dekang production facility in China in 2007 that made Janty's early juices, he and a Dekang flavor chemist created RY4 in one afternoon, naming it Ruyan 4 (or RY4 for short)---"Ruyan" for "cigarette-like" and "4" because it was their fourth version that day, and the one they liked best. So, if we are to believe Ludo (and I do), Janty RY4 was the first-ever "true" original RY4, and the same formula Janty still sells today in their Elixir Lines of PG or VG blends. But Dekang kept Ludo's recipe, altering the formula for themselves (by removing the sour element present in Janty RY4 and adding a nutty flavor component, among other possible subtle changes) to produce the Dekang version that has achieved mythic status and was lost in the spring of 2010 (literally stolen by a departing chemist, who left Dekang to start his own juice company and absconded with the "secret" RY4 formula, but was subsequently arrested, tried, convicted for industrial theft, and sent to prison; presumably, that chemist still has the secret formula squirreled away somewhere and after he is released from prison might even begin making it again, though probably with a different name than RY4).
I never had either Riskee or early Dekang RY4, since I've been vaping for only a year, which means that I don't suffer from the profound longing some folks do (as if they'd lost their right arm), and thus I'm not in the group of vapers who would like to kidnap you and demand your juice stash as ransom. LOL. If you showed up at vaping conventions, no doubt you'd be Mr. Popularity.
I don't know who started adding fruitiness to RY4 clones, but in my opinion it was a bad idea. There are at least a couple of those ersatz RY4s on the Big List here, and I've relegated them to the bottom of the rankings. I'm not personally opposed to experimentation and stretching the envelope of what defines an RY4, but that doesn't mean that any old concoction someone throws together will pass muster as a bonafide RY4 or RY4-variant. As examples, coconut and chocolate are flavors that simply don't belong in RY4 in my book. And peppermint, or any mint/menthol. And no coffee flavors, either. Those and many other flavors can work quite nicely in other juices, but not RY4s. On the other hand, butterscotch rather than caramel might produce an interesting RY4-variant. I've never tasted a butterscotch RY4, however, so maybe not.
I can state from personal experience that DIYing a superlative RY4 is darn near impossible for the average home vaper. And I've got 100mls of sort-of-RY4-but-not-really juice in my stash to prove it!
Wow. 100mls of original Cash Riskee. That's like having a case of Dom Perignon 1947 (or maybe not---I'm not a wine connoiseur). I know at least one reader of this thread who will go absolutely bonkers when she reads your post. She's been on a quest to discover something that can satisfy her craving for original Riskee Yuice and would sell her grandmother into white slavery to get some.
And all those carts of the fabled "lost" Dekang. In fairness, I should mention that, according to Ludo, one of the owners of Janty, that Dekang is not the "original" RY4. Ludo claims that on a visit to a Dekang production facility in China in 2007 that made Janty's early juices, he and a Dekang flavor chemist created RY4 in one afternoon, naming it Ruyan 4 (or RY4 for short)---"Ruyan" for "cigarette-like" and "4" because it was their fourth version that day, and the one they liked best. So, if we are to believe Ludo (and I do), Janty RY4 was the first-ever "true" original RY4, and the same formula Janty still sells today in their Elixir Lines of PG or VG blends. But Dekang kept Ludo's recipe, altering the formula for themselves (by removing the sour element present in Janty RY4 and adding a nutty flavor component, among other possible subtle changes) to produce the Dekang version that has achieved mythic status and was lost in the spring of 2010 (literally stolen by a departing chemist, who left Dekang to start his own juice company and absconded with the "secret" RY4 formula, but was subsequently arrested, tried, convicted for industrial theft, and sent to prison; presumably, that chemist still has the secret formula squirreled away somewhere and after he is released from prison might even begin making it again, though probably with a different name than RY4).
I never had either Riskee or early Dekang RY4, since I've been vaping for only a year, which means that I don't suffer from the profound longing some folks do (as if they'd lost their right arm), and thus I'm not in the group of vapers who would like to kidnap you and demand your juice stash as ransom. LOL. If you showed up at vaping conventions, no doubt you'd be Mr. Popularity.
I don't know who started adding fruitiness to RY4 clones, but in my opinion it was a bad idea. There are at least a couple of those ersatz RY4s on the Big List here, and I've relegated them to the bottom of the rankings. I'm not personally opposed to experimentation and stretching the envelope of what defines an RY4, but that doesn't mean that any old concoction someone throws together will pass muster as a bonafide RY4 or RY4-variant. As examples, coconut and chocolate are flavors that simply don't belong in RY4 in my book. And peppermint, or any mint/menthol. And no coffee flavors, either. Those and many other flavors can work quite nicely in other juices, but not RY4s. On the other hand, butterscotch rather than caramel might produce an interesting RY4-variant. I've never tasted a butterscotch RY4, however, so maybe not.
I can state from personal experience that DIYing a superlative RY4 is darn near impossible for the average home vaper. And I've got 100mls of sort-of-RY4-but-not-really juice in my stash to prove it!
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Nice history, great post
I concur and confirm that Janty's original RY4 was the same as original Riskee / Like smoke. I had some, it was exactly the same.
There is something different though, between Original, and every version that came after it. A definite herby/weedy tone, that you eventually get used to and don't notice anymore, that was introduced when Dekang started labeling RY4 and selling it. Original doesn't have that. The "other original RY4" Ruyan labelled stuff didn't either. (it doesn't bother me anymore at all, but it sure made me gag at first)
I tried every liquid on the market when that change starting happening, to get away from the weedy taste - but EVERY liquid had it. That's how I ended up with a shoebox full, since I got all I could get before it disappeared forever
I concur and confirm that Janty's original RY4 was the same as original Riskee / Like smoke. I had some, it was exactly the same.
There is something different though, between Original, and every version that came after it. A definite herby/weedy tone, that you eventually get used to and don't notice anymore, that was introduced when Dekang started labeling RY4 and selling it. Original doesn't have that. The "other original RY4" Ruyan labelled stuff didn't either. (it doesn't bother me anymore at all, but it sure made me gag at first)
I tried every liquid on the market when that change starting happening, to get away from the weedy taste - but EVERY liquid had it. That's how I ended up with a shoebox full, since I got all I could get before it disappeared forever
As much as I'd be curious to try some of each myself, in the interest of this thread it would be great if small amounts, (just enough to properly taste test), could be donated to Bill so the thread can have his opinion on the originals and how the various current RY4s truly compare.
LOL, sure, why not. He'll have to squeeze the carts to try the Ruyan liquid though, lol, or buy a cigar (link) to put them in.
I wonder if you can send a portion of the juice to someone like iken so they can recreate it. I can't believe you still have some. Sad part is only a few of us remember the old Riskee and RY4. Others don't know what they are missing. I really wish someone could duplicated it. Because so far no one has. What I wouldn't do for some Riskee Yuice.
Neat thread, Riskee Yuice was my first favorite, and still is...
I am currently puffing on, yes NO KIDDING, original flavour Riskee Yuice. It's actually labelled "Like Smoke", for you oldtimers who still remember the evolution of Puresmoker Riskee. I still have almost 2 50ML bottles of 36mg of it left, from a full shoebox full that I got, when you could still get it. I think "Like Smoke"/Riskee was supposed to emulate RY4, not positive though.
I also have a pile of real original RY4, made by Ruyan. It is what came in the carts with my Ruyan "Bling" cigar quite a while ago. It's definitely nutty, ridiculous tasty, and it's somewhat related to Riskee, but not that close. I think I have about 300 carts left, lol. They are only 16mg, so they don't get much use. Great on airplanes, because the vape cloud disappears real quick.
I've tried a lot of RY4 "clones" - it's a hard one to match. Plus it seems like a moving target - the next clone of RY4 tries to emulate some previous clone of RY4, and I think the original kinda got lost in the confusion. RY4 seems to mean "Caramel/Vanilla with a hint of some obscure fruit" now ... instead of the nutty cotton candy caramel it began as.
Today's posts are very interesting to me. RjG's revelations have certainly grabbed our attention.
Part of what makes this whole "original RY4" business so compelling and yet simultaneously vexing is that opinions (often stated as fact) are all over the map, and sometimes completely contradictory from one poster to another. I've read most of the threads about RY4 on the forum, even those from way back when, and---in all honesty---I truly don't know who or what to believe.
For instance, take nuts (as a flavor element). I've read posts that state that the fabled lost Dekang RY4 had a definite nuttiness, but others that swear that there was no nut flavor at all. Same with sweetness. I've read posts that say that the "original" Dekang was very sweet, while other posters hold that it wasn't sweet at all. Hell, when I first tasted Janty RY4 this summer, I picked up on the unique sourness, but I wasn't even sure it was really there until Zombitedesade confirmed it. I can affirm that no other RY4 I've ever vaped has had that sourness (and, as you know, I've now tried over 50 RY4s and RY4-variants), but---in terms of piecing together the history puzzle---I don't know what that means.
Then there's the maelstrom of different opinions (and much confusion for those of us who weren't around and are trying to make sense of it now) surrounding Janty, Dekang, and Puresmoker Cash Riskee. Who was first? Who copied whom? Exactly who made what? Do I believe Ludo's fairly detailed story about how he and the chemist (who wasn't identified as working for Dekang, but must surely have been) created and named the first-ever RY4 in one day? Generally, I do buy Ludo's version. He was there, after all. More skeptically, I believe that Ludo is telling us what he feels is the truth. Whether or not his truth (based on his experience and memory) is the objective, actual capital-T truth or not, I have no way of knowing.
I don't intend to cast any aspersions on what RjG has shared with us today. When he states that every version of RY4 now has an herby/weedy tone that was introduced after the original, I cannot help but wonder whether he's tried Janty RY4 recently, because Ludo has stated unequivocally that the RY4 Janty sells today is exactly the same as the first RY4 Janty sold back in 2007. Presumably, he means that the recipe (i.e., the flavoring ingredients and their mix ratios) hasn't changed, but then I have to think, "Well, OK, but what if one or more of the source flavorings have been changed by the flavor suppliers without Janty's knowing it?" I pose this question for the simple reason that I don't read a hundred posters shouting that Janty RY4 is the lost Dekang formula, and now they can finally stop searching and be happy again. Nope.
One or two posters on this thread have offered their opinion that Janty RY4 is indeed the lost Dekang formula, but many other veterans who actually vaped the fabled Dekang version have disagreed, including one of Janty's owners (not Ludo), who personally told an ECF member face-to-face that the fabled Dekang formula so many people loved is indeed lost, and that no one has it.
Finally, the whole story remains mysterious to me, like looking for hard evidence that King Arthur and Camelot really existed. I know a little, but not much, and I sure don't claim to know the truth.
Part of what makes this whole "original RY4" business so compelling and yet simultaneously vexing is that opinions (often stated as fact) are all over the map, and sometimes completely contradictory from one poster to another. I've read most of the threads about RY4 on the forum, even those from way back when, and---in all honesty---I truly don't know who or what to believe.
For instance, take nuts (as a flavor element). I've read posts that state that the fabled lost Dekang RY4 had a definite nuttiness, but others that swear that there was no nut flavor at all. Same with sweetness. I've read posts that say that the "original" Dekang was very sweet, while other posters hold that it wasn't sweet at all. Hell, when I first tasted Janty RY4 this summer, I picked up on the unique sourness, but I wasn't even sure it was really there until Zombitedesade confirmed it. I can affirm that no other RY4 I've ever vaped has had that sourness (and, as you know, I've now tried over 50 RY4s and RY4-variants), but---in terms of piecing together the history puzzle---I don't know what that means.
Then there's the maelstrom of different opinions (and much confusion for those of us who weren't around and are trying to make sense of it now) surrounding Janty, Dekang, and Puresmoker Cash Riskee. Who was first? Who copied whom? Exactly who made what? Do I believe Ludo's fairly detailed story about how he and the chemist (who wasn't identified as working for Dekang, but must surely have been) created and named the first-ever RY4 in one day? Generally, I do buy Ludo's version. He was there, after all. More skeptically, I believe that Ludo is telling us what he feels is the truth. Whether or not his truth (based on his experience and memory) is the objective, actual capital-T truth or not, I have no way of knowing.
I don't intend to cast any aspersions on what RjG has shared with us today. When he states that every version of RY4 now has an herby/weedy tone that was introduced after the original, I cannot help but wonder whether he's tried Janty RY4 recently, because Ludo has stated unequivocally that the RY4 Janty sells today is exactly the same as the first RY4 Janty sold back in 2007. Presumably, he means that the recipe (i.e., the flavoring ingredients and their mix ratios) hasn't changed, but then I have to think, "Well, OK, but what if one or more of the source flavorings have been changed by the flavor suppliers without Janty's knowing it?" I pose this question for the simple reason that I don't read a hundred posters shouting that Janty RY4 is the lost Dekang formula, and now they can finally stop searching and be happy again. Nope.
One or two posters on this thread have offered their opinion that Janty RY4 is indeed the lost Dekang formula, but many other veterans who actually vaped the fabled Dekang version have disagreed, including one of Janty's owners (not Ludo), who personally told an ECF member face-to-face that the fabled Dekang formula so many people loved is indeed lost, and that no one has it.
Finally, the whole story remains mysterious to me, like looking for hard evidence that King Arthur and Camelot really existed. I know a little, but not much, and I sure don't claim to know the truth.
Friends,
October 22nd will be my one-year anniversary as a vaper. In that year, two facts stand out: 1. I haven't smoked a single cigarette since Day One of vaping, and 2. I've spent what amounts to a small fortune on my vaping hobby/obsession. I'm way too embarrassed to say exactly how much (it's in the upper four figures), but as an indication, I've spent more than $300 just on RY4s since I started this thread in June.
The upshot is that I've got to cut back on buying vaping toys, including juices. Oh, I'll probably buy more RY4s, but the pace of acquisition may slack off considerably.
As a result, if anyone wants to send me samples of RY4s not currently on the list, I'll put my address below. It you just want to contact me, please post on the thread or shoot me a PM, but if you choose to send me a sample RY4 or RY4-variant for review and ranking, here's where to send it:
Bill Herbst
822 1st Street
Florence, OR 97439
If it's not printed on the bottle, please include the obvious information: juice name, source vendor, nic concentration, and blend ratio. I also need to know your screen name, real name, and address. Finally, it would be helpful for me to know how old the juice is and whether or not it's been altered in any way.
We're fast approaching 50 RY4s and RY4-variants that have been reviewed, ranked, and categorized on the Big List. I'm not altogether sure that we need 50 more. So, please understand that I'm not asking anyone to contribute. Mailing stuff is a pain. But, if you'd like to see the thread continue, or you have an RY4 or RY4-variant that hasn't yet been reviewed, sending me a sample is one way of keeping the thread going.
But then, rather than sending me anything, you could just post your own reviews. I like that option even better...
October 22nd will be my one-year anniversary as a vaper. In that year, two facts stand out: 1. I haven't smoked a single cigarette since Day One of vaping, and 2. I've spent what amounts to a small fortune on my vaping hobby/obsession. I'm way too embarrassed to say exactly how much (it's in the upper four figures), but as an indication, I've spent more than $300 just on RY4s since I started this thread in June.
The upshot is that I've got to cut back on buying vaping toys, including juices. Oh, I'll probably buy more RY4s, but the pace of acquisition may slack off considerably.
As a result, if anyone wants to send me samples of RY4s not currently on the list, I'll put my address below. It you just want to contact me, please post on the thread or shoot me a PM, but if you choose to send me a sample RY4 or RY4-variant for review and ranking, here's where to send it:
Bill Herbst
822 1st Street
Florence, OR 97439
If it's not printed on the bottle, please include the obvious information: juice name, source vendor, nic concentration, and blend ratio. I also need to know your screen name, real name, and address. Finally, it would be helpful for me to know how old the juice is and whether or not it's been altered in any way.
We're fast approaching 50 RY4s and RY4-variants that have been reviewed, ranked, and categorized on the Big List. I'm not altogether sure that we need 50 more. So, please understand that I'm not asking anyone to contribute. Mailing stuff is a pain. But, if you'd like to see the thread continue, or you have an RY4 or RY4-variant that hasn't yet been reviewed, sending me a sample is one way of keeping the thread going.
But then, rather than sending me anything, you could just post your own reviews. I like that option even better...
Okay, I'll tell you what I taste in the RY4, it called "salminak".
There are different versions of "salminak".
Anywhere from very salty to very sweet.
Saminak is a liquorice.
RjG, I have vaped the origional RY4 back in 2008, and the Riskee Yuice, since then I have vaped many many different juices......
Last month I got the RY4 from Healthcabin, and it hit me like a brick.......what I taste is salminak.
Ludo did introduce the very very first RY4 in Holland in 2007:
International Vaporizer Society - Elektrische sigaret • Toon onderwerp - *** NIEUW - JANTY LIQUID ***
What do you taste next to the tobacco, vanilla and carmamel?
There are different versions of "salminak".
Anywhere from very salty to very sweet.
Saminak is a liquorice.
RjG, I have vaped the origional RY4 back in 2008, and the Riskee Yuice, since then I have vaped many many different juices......
Last month I got the RY4 from Healthcabin, and it hit me like a brick.......what I taste is salminak.
Ludo did introduce the very very first RY4 in Holland in 2007:
International Vaporizer Society - Elektrische sigaret • Toon onderwerp - *** NIEUW - JANTY LIQUID ***
What do you taste next to the tobacco, vanilla and carmamel?
LOL, I was hoping to add some insight, not cause more confusion....
regarding: "I concur and confirm that Janty's original RY4 was the same as original Riskee / Like smoke. I had some, it was exactly the same." vs "Ludo has stated unequivocally that the RY4 Janty sells today is exactly the same as the first RY4 Janty sold back in 2007"
I really don't know what path the Janty RY4 version followed, since I've had my shoebox full ever since... I've never needed to look for it, or order more, I had lots after acquiring a pile of it So that could be true, maybe Janty still does have the same one. I have no idea.
Regarding the "weedy/herb" taste - that was/is in ALL chinese produced nic liquid at the time, not just RY4. If you started vaping with chinese stuff, you probably just got used to it quickly and didn't notice it after. I eventually got used to it too, and don't even notice it at all anymore either. The point was, If you STARTED with vaping Riskee - then it was a shocking change to change to any "other" stuff, any brand, any flavor, since Riskee seemed to be the only one that didn't have that taste/aftertaste.
Since after I got used to it I couldn't taste it anymore, it's impossible for me to tell if it's still in the latest juices.
For "nuttiness" - I don't even know if it's nutty in Riskee.. it's got something kinda maybe nutty, I don't know what it is.
The RUYAN RY4 has undeniable, big time nutty though.
It's hard, since you don't taste a lot of components in any flavor past the first day your tongue gets "used" to it - and different atomizers and heat ranges have the effect of making most juices taste COMPLETELY different too.
Riskee likes low voltage, thick vape. Cold vaped Riskee tastes lousy, and a hot atomizer singes the flavor out of it. That also could be adding to why there's such a wide range of opinions on it.
emberl: Dekang RY4 from H.C. has tasted different every time I ordered it. Always kinda the same, but something a bit different, lol. I don't know what salminak is, sorry. My last order from H.C was March 2011 - which was a re-ship of customs confiscation from October 2010 (!!)... I just ran out of that one, don't intend on ordering again, so 100% likely what you have is different than what I had.
Just to add my 2 cents to it - I've vaped over 100 30ml bottles of 24mg Dekang labelled RY4 over the years. It tastes alright, doesn't "lose" it's taste over time like lots of flavors do, covers the nic requirement, and is really inexpensive when ordered through H.G. or H.C. wholesale. I like all kinds of juice - but the daily one has been that one up till now.
I am only switching now (like this week) to something else, due to border issues in Canada. If not for that, the current Dekang RY4 would continue to be my "daily vape", because it's cheap and does the job
Bill, I will send you some next week. And some Ruyan RY4 too. I wonder if you'll just say "geez, what's the big deal with this stuff". Wouldn't that be too funny
regarding: "I concur and confirm that Janty's original RY4 was the same as original Riskee / Like smoke. I had some, it was exactly the same." vs "Ludo has stated unequivocally that the RY4 Janty sells today is exactly the same as the first RY4 Janty sold back in 2007"
I really don't know what path the Janty RY4 version followed, since I've had my shoebox full ever since... I've never needed to look for it, or order more, I had lots after acquiring a pile of it
So that could be true, maybe Janty still does have the same one. I have no idea.Regarding the "weedy/herb" taste - that was/is in ALL chinese produced nic liquid at the time, not just RY4. If you started vaping with chinese stuff, you probably just got used to it quickly and didn't notice it after. I eventually got used to it too, and don't even notice it at all anymore either. The point was, If you STARTED with vaping Riskee - then it was a shocking change to change to any "other" stuff, any brand, any flavor, since Riskee seemed to be the only one that didn't have that taste/aftertaste.
Since after I got used to it I couldn't taste it anymore, it's impossible for me to tell if it's still in the latest juices.
For "nuttiness" - I don't even know if it's nutty in Riskee.. it's got something kinda maybe nutty, I don't know what it is.
The RUYAN RY4 has undeniable, big time nutty though.
It's hard, since you don't taste a lot of components in any flavor past the first day your tongue gets "used" to it - and different atomizers and heat ranges have the effect of making most juices taste COMPLETELY different too.
Riskee likes low voltage, thick vape. Cold vaped Riskee tastes lousy, and a hot atomizer singes the flavor out of it. That also could be adding to why there's such a wide range of opinions on it.
emberl: Dekang RY4 from H.C. has tasted different every time I ordered it. Always kinda the same, but something a bit different, lol. I don't know what salminak is, sorry. My last order from H.C was March 2011 - which was a re-ship of customs confiscation from October 2010 (!!)... I just ran out of that one, don't intend on ordering again, so 100% likely what you have is different than what I had.
Just to add my 2 cents to it - I've vaped over 100 30ml bottles of 24mg Dekang labelled RY4 over the years. It tastes alright, doesn't "lose" it's taste over time like lots of flavors do, covers the nic requirement, and is really inexpensive when ordered through H.G. or H.C. wholesale. I like all kinds of juice - but the daily one has been that one up till now.
I am only switching now (like this week) to something else, due to border issues in Canada. If not for that, the current Dekang RY4 would continue to be my "daily vape", because it's cheap and does the job
Bill, I will send you some next week. And some Ruyan RY4 too. I wonder if you'll just say "geez, what's the big deal with this stuff". Wouldn't that be too funny
I recently finished the last of my Riskee (cash)... I truly found it indistinguishable from Dulcis by vapor talk... and they still sell this.
Wow, epic thread. All about 1 popular e-liquid.
I can't wait to experience what all the fuss is about, I am expecting my first bottle of RY4 to arrive in the post today.
You guys are nuts
From which vendor? Any uk blends of Ry4 are my speciality so to speak so if it's not one I've listed myself then please do return to the thread and let us know how it was!
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