The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Bill, I looked on Janty's website, and the only RY4 they show in stock is Vitaya. Is Janty Vitaya RY4 the same as you rate #1?

Sandy,

The Janty RY4 that I reviewed was a mix of the mostly-PG and mostly-VG versions from Janty's Elixir line, but I had previously tasted the Classic version and didn't remember it tasting different from the two Elixir versions. I haven't vaped anything from the new Vitaya line, but I'd be willing to bet that it tastes the same, too. Janty is sensitive about being their RY4 being the "original" and unchanged version---from 2007 to the present---so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do anything to intentionally mess with or alter the flavor.

I think you're safe to order whatever version they have in stock.

By the way, Janty RY4 got the #1 ranking after confirmation on this thread that it was indeed the "original" and first-ever version.
 
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HealthCabin has recently become one of my go-to vendors. HC sells essentially the same lines of products offered by USA vendors (the stereotype of lower quality vaping products coming from China may be true on occasion---especially with regard to “imitation” mods, such as the new Lavatube VV, which is effectively the poor man’s ProVari---but mostly I regard that opinion as a tiresome xenophobic bias.

The main difference I note between HealthCabin and American internet vendors is this: because HC is based in China, their pricing is significantly cheaper than American vendors can offer. On large orders, the high costs of fast EMS shipping from China are usually outweighed by the inherent savings, and---assuming one can wait 2-3 weeks---the slower and much cheaper air mail shipping option works fine for smaller orders. For essentials like drip tips and cartos, HealthCabin is a godsend. (It’s downright sickening to see an identical drip tip that HC sells for a buck hawked by some American vendors for $4.50 and more. That’s just highway robbery, as far as I’m concerned.) So, thumbs up for HealthCabin as a vendor.

I had built up quite a bit of anticipation concerning the long-awaited return of HealthCabin’s house-brand RY4 after an absence of many months. I wanted to buy some when I started the Big RY4 Roundup thread in June 2011, but---lo and behold!---it had vanished and was no longer available, along with all of HealthCabin's tobacco flavoring concentrates. Bummer! Well, recently the house-brand RY4 and flavoring returned for HC’s ongoing holiday sale, so I snagged a 30ml bottle of juice and 10mls of the flavoring concentrate as well (I got the flavoring for free). This review concerns mainly the pre-mix RY4, although the note at the end expands that into the flavoring concentrate as a mad scientist footnote.

test specs: 24mg nic, PG base (it's also sold in a VG-base), golden colored liquid, atty-dripped first in an IKV 1.6 ohm LR306, then vaped in a 2.3 ohm Micromizer X7 powered by a Madvapes VV box set at 4.5 volts, for a power output of 8.8 watts.

HealthCabin house-brand RY4 (as opposed to Dekang RY4, which HC also sells) is fairly characteristic of all the Chinese RY4s. That means that it’s a well-made and very well-blended juice that stays in the ballpark of the now-typical overall signature flavor of Chinese-made RY4s. Every element is unified into a single end result, with no ingredient standing out. I taste only one flavor, and it’s what everyone with any experience recognizes as RY4.

That said, HC RY4 does skew the balance a bit. While providing very good performance---great throat hit at 24mg and nice vapor production for PG---and letting the vaper know that this is a tobacco-based flavor, the tobacco doesn’t stand out. It’s an aura more than a flavor. In addition, the caramel and vanilla are similarly indistinct. That’s curious and rather unusual. I did get some nuttiness, but it was similarly unfocused. Instead, what comes through is sweetness. This is definitely a dessert vape, although not nearly as in-your-face sweet as some of the more extreme dessert RY4s. I'd call it subtly sweet.

What’s strange is that the sweetness has no flavor (at least no flavor that my palate can identify). It’s just sweet. I guess sweet is a taste (sweet-sour being one of the basic scales to describe taste sensation), but darned if I can place it into a particular flavor or combination of flavors. I don’t mean to be overly harsh in this assessment---HC RY4 is a decent and non-offensive vape---but I found my taste buds searching forlornly for caramel and vanilla, to no avail. Oh, I'd imagine they’re present---RY4 doesn’t taste like RY4 without them---but I can’t seem to pinpoint any sensory evidence.

I am left with the impression of HC RY4 being a very odd juice, one that provides ample impact and sufficient taste, but with all the particular component flavors in the background, shrouded as it were. This is a case, I think, of taking otherwise superb blending one step too far. As a result, I can’t give HC RY4 a high or even middling ranking. It has to be buried somewhere in the bottom third of the Big List. While a perfectly acceptable vape, it’s simply too nondescript to win any prizes, given the strong competition.

[Note: I did a little DIY experiment by taking 2ml of HC RY4 and adding 20% more flavor(.4ml), since I have a bottle of the flavoring concentrate. The result when atty-dripped? The caramel begins to peek through the fog while the nuttiness fades away, but the sweetness became ever-so-slightly acrid from the higher (30-40%) concentration of flavoring. All in all, I feel that the doctored juice is better, but still not the solution I was hoping for.]

HealthCabin house-brand RY4 ranking: #49
Category Groups: Dessert (more sweet), Nutty, Balanced/Blended, So-So (undistinguished)

Link: Healthcabin E-Liquids, including HC RY4 in PG or VG
 
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Two criteria are used for these rankings. The first is my own totally subjective personal opinion, meaning what I like and don’t like. That constitutes about 80% of the ranking. The other 20% comes from my assessment of the general popularity of a given RY4. If it’s wildly popular, that will improve somewhat whatever ranking I’d otherwise give it based on my personal reaction.

If you might base a buying decision on this post, look to the Category Groups rather than the Rankings, since the Categories are a better, more reliable guide to RY4s you might like.

RY4 Rankings (includes RY4-variants)

#1-10…...Superlative, Nectar of the Gods
#11-20.…Very Good, like fine wine
#21-30….Good, well worth vaping
#31-40….Close enough for horseshoes
#41-50.....Only So-So, but still acceptable in a pinch
#51-60.…Passable on a desert island with no other juices
#61-62….So weird they make my skin crawl


1. Janty RY4
2. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
3. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
4. VapeRite Organic VR4
5. NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral Tobacco
6. PrimeVaping PV4
7. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
8. VaporTalk Dulcis
9. Bloog/Volt RY4
10. Want2Vape RY4

11. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
12. Moondrop RY42
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
14. ParkesVaping PV4
15. ESCI Toasted Toffee Tobacco Kick Juice
16. VaporStation VS4
17. ValueVapor Dekang RY3
18. GoodProphets Keemer RY3 VG
19. LiquidXpress Taboo
20. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice

21. ElixirLiquid RY4
22. Goodejuice GJ4
23. Sweet-Vapes RY4
24. NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4
25. BackwoodsBrew RY4
26. Greenhouse One RY4
27. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
28. CopperCreek Voodoo
28. ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe)
30. QuickNicVapor RY4

31. Vixen Vapors RY4
32. GoodProphets GP4
33. VapeRite RY4
34. ValueVapor Dekang RY1-2
35. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
36. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
37. EliteVaporworks RY4
38. GoodEJuice RY4
39. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4
40. Halo Tribeca

41. VapeDoctor RY4
42. GourmetVapor RY4
43. VaporStation RY4
44. KickBassVapor RY4
45. TopShelf RY4
46. SmokeForPennys RY4
47. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
48. Want2Vape Rock Star
49. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
50. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco

51. ParkesVaping RY4
52. AltSmoke RY4
53. HighCaliber Our 4
54. VapeMasters R4
55. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
56. HoneyvilleVapor RY4
57. AwesomeVapor RY4
58. Mist-Stix RY4
59. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
60. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4

61. BlueMistVaping RY4
62. FlavourArt oRYental 4


Category Groups

Stronger Tobacco (less sweet)
2. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
7. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
8. VaporTalk Dulcis
11. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
12. Moondrop RY42
14. ParkesVaping PV4
16. VaporStation VS4
17. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice
18. Sweet-Vapes RY4
22. Goodejuice GJ4
25. BackwoodsBrew RY4
27. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
33. VapeRite RY4
35. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
39. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4

Dessert (more sweet)
1. Janty RY4
9. Bloog/Volt RY4
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
26. Greenhouse One RY4
30. QuickNicVapor RY4
31. Vixen Vapors RY4
32. GoodProphets GP4
35. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY4
36. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
38. GoodEJuice RY4
41. VapeDoctor RY4
44. KickBassVapor RY4
45. TopShelf RY4
46. SmokeForPennys RY4
49. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
50. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
53. HighCaliber Our 4
59. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
60. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
xx. nHaler RY4 (unranked)

Sweet & Sour
1. Janty RY4
3. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
14. ESCI Toasted Toffee Tobacco Kick Juice
51. ParkesVaping RY4

Nutty
2. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
8. VaporTalk Dulcis
19. LiquidXpress Taboo
20. ElixirLiquid RY4
30. QuickNicVapor RY4
33. VapeRite RY4
36. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
49. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
51. ParkesVaping RY4

Caramel Rich
4. VapeRite Organic VR4
5. NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral Tobacco
6. PrimeVaping PV4
7. Want2Vape RY4
11. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
12. Moondrop RY42
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
14. ParkesVaping PV4
18. GoodProphets Keemer RY3 VG
19. LiquidXpress Taboo
26. Greenhouse One RY4
28. CopperCreek Voodoo
31. Vixen Vapors RY4
37. EliteVaporworks RY4
38. GoodEJuice RY4
42. GourmetVapor RY4
44. KickBassVapor RY4
45. TopShelf RY4
48. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
59. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
60. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
xx. nHaler RY4 (unranked)

Vanilla Rich
6. PrimeVaping PV4
23. Sweet-Vapes RY4
25. BackwoodsBrew RY4
30. QuickNicVapor RY4
47. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
49. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
54. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
59. VoidMist RY4 Version 3

Liqueur
25. BackwoodsBrew RY4
30. QuickNicVapor RY4
31. Vixen Vapors RY4

Balanced/Blended
1. Janty RY4 Elixir
3. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
6. PrimeVaping PV4
7. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
8. VaporTalk Dulcis
9. Bloog/Volt RY4
16. VaporStation VS4
21. ElixirLiquid RY4
26. Greenhouse One RY4
27. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
29. ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe)
32. GoodProphets GP4
33. VapeRite RY4
35. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
36. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
37. EliteVaporworks RY4
38. GoodEJuice RY4
40. Halo Tribeca
43. VaporStation RY4
46. SmokeForPennys RY4
49. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
50. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
51. ParkesVaping RY4
57. AwesomeVapor RY4

Distinctive (atypical)
3. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
4. VapeRite Organic VR4
5. NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral Tobacco
11. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
12. Moondrop RY42
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
14. ParkesVaping PV4
22. Goodejuice GJ4
25. BackwoodsBrew RY4
28. CopperCreek Voodoo
35. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1
39. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4
40. Halo Tribeca
44. KickBassVapor RY4
47. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
48. Want2Vape Rock Star
50. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
53. HighCaliber Our 4
55. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
59. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
60. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4

So-So (undistinguished)
49. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
51. ParkesVaping RY4
58. Mist-Stix RY4
59. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
60. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4

Bizarre (just plain weird)
61. BlueMistVaping RY4
62. FlavourArt oRYental 4
 

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After considerable thought and a tiny bit of angst, I have decided that my assessment of and ranking for NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral Tobacco is mistaken and needs to be changed.

Although Caramel Corral does indeed bear a strong, almost striking resemblance to Vaperite VR4, there is a critical difference I didn’t recognize clearly enough at the time of the review. After having vaped Caramel Corral for a number of hours, that difference is now fully apparent to me. The caramels used in these two juices are both dominant in their respective mixes, as well as being extremely rich and very tasty, but they differ substantially in the nature of their caramel flavor. That difference turns out to be telling.

Put very simply, Vaperite VR4---despite its extreme emphasis on rich, gooey caramel---is definitely within the overall flavor profile of RY4. VR4 may be idiosyncratic, but it tastes like RY4. Caramel Corral, by contrast, lives right in the gray zone between “RY4” and “not-RY4.” As formulated, Caramel Corral is reminiscent of RY4 without quite tasting like one. Push the flavor a little further, though, and Caramel Corral wouldn’t even resemble an RY4.

You may ask, “Bill, since there is no scientific definition of the taste of RY4, isn’t this just your opinion, and aren’t you changing horses in midstream?" Yes, this is just my opinion, but that opinion has been formed out of the cumulative experience I’ve gained from vaping all 62 of the RY4s on this thread. So, while my opinion may be a tad fickle in this instance, it’s at least well-informed. And yes, I am changing horses in midstream, because that feels like the right action to take, especially to do justice and remain fair to all the other RY4s on the Big List, no matter what their rankings.

Don’t get me wrong---Caramel Corral is a fantastic juice, another winner from NiteLiteVapor, and a caramel tobacco blend that’s as good or better than any caramel-tobacco eliquid I’ve ever vaped. I recommend it very highly to caramel lovers who like tobacco vapes. It’s just not an RY4.

As a result, I am removing Caramel Corral Tobacco from the Big List. I’ll make the change when the next update is posted.

There are numerous other juices on the Big List that might qualify as “fringe” RY4s. I haven’t had second-thoughts about any of those, however, so they will all stay right where they are.
 

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This has been one LONG an very much appriciated read! So much is going on here, that I hate to venture in and ask this question. But it is bugging me. So please bare with me on this.

Firstly, in the past, FSUAS RY4 has been my go to juice for well over a year now. So far, so good. However, the batches have been very inconsistent.
The first 3x bottles of 120 ml were fantastic! Rich, full of flavor. The next batch, less so, but rather weaker in flavor. I then ordered 3 more 120 mm bottles with extra flavor. The taste was terrible. It thated like bug spray smells.

To FSUSA's credit, they exchanged the juice. (Great folks at FSUSA). The offensive aroma was gone. But so was the flavor. I a preplexed now. Low on juice, and almost afraid to order again.

Second issue. I ordered a 30 mm bottle of RY4 from IKenvape. (I already had one bottle here that another member gave me to try). I already knew that I liked the vape from IkenV., but when the new bottle arrived, it was terrible. It had a strong Phenol gas smell taste to it. Very sharp. So much so that my wife smelled it from another room and though I had had a fire in my shop. ( I use phenolic resin products in my shop daily. When over heated, it puts out a toxic, harsh gas. It is both very harsh and poisionus. It instantly burns the sisus. The Juice did the same thing. Not on the exale, as Nic. will sometimes do, but the vapor hanging in the room.

I felt bad about calling Issac and complaining, so I let it steep for 90 days and tried again. But it was if anything, worse.
I ended up simply throwing it away.

Imagine my supprise as it climed the list here.

Do anyone have any idea what could have happened? I really want to like this juice. Any one else ever have this problem. Or am I jsut lucky that way?

KnifeMaker
 
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This has been one LONG an very much appriciated read! So much is going on here, that I hate to venture in and ask this question. But it is bugging me. So please bare with me on this.

Firstly, in the past, FSUAS RY4 has been my go to juice for well over a year now. So far, so good. However, the batches have been very inconsistent.
The first 3x bottles of 120 ml were fantastic! Rich, full of flavor. The next batch, less so, but rather weaker in flavor. I then ordered 3 more 120 mm bottles with extra flavor. The taste was terrible. It thated like bug spray smells.

To FSUSA's credit, they exchanged the juice. (Great folks at FSUSA). The offensive aroma was gone. But so was the flavor. I a preplexed now. Low on juice, and almost afraid to order again.

Second issue. I ordered a 30 mm bottle of RY4 from IKenvape. (I already had one bottle here that another member gave me to try). I already knew that I liked the vape from IkenV., but when the new bottle arrived, it was terrible. It had a strong Phenol gas smell taste to it. Very sharp. So much so that my wife smelled it from another room and though I had had a fire in my shop. ( I use phenolic resin products in my shop daily. When over heated, it puts out a toxic, harsh gas. It is both very harsh and poisionus. It instantly burns the sisus. The Juice did the same thing. Not on the exale, as Nic. will sometimes do, but the vapor hanging in the room.

I felt bad about calling Issac and complaining, so I let it steep for 90 days and tried again. But it was if anything, worse.
I ended up simply throwing it away.

Imagine my supprise as it climed the list here.

Do anyone have any idea what could have happened? I really want to like this juice. Any one else ever have this problem. Or am I jsut lucky that way?

KnifeMaker

My only solution to that would be to let it steep, but you did that to no avail.

Isaac is a fantastic guy. Loves his customers and cares about their feedback! You should never hesitate to contact him!
 

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Did you ever try that Hotvapes RY4 I was telling you about? I am very interested in hearing your opinion on that.

No, I didn't. Please understand: I am not made out of money. I've spent more than $500 on RY4s since starting this thread.

If you mail me a small sample bottle (2-3 mls), I will be happy to review Hotvapes RY4 and rank it on the Big List.

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Does anyone have any idea what could have happened? I really want to like this juice. Any one else ever have this problem. Or am I just lucky that way?

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Knife,

First, about the inconsistency of your FSUSA RY4. This is a common complaint one reads very often on ECF---juices that seem wildly inconsistent in flavor. The posts are usually similar to yours: "I have been vaping [insert juice name] for awhile and loving it. My newest bottle is [choose one] different/terrible/has no flavor." While I have never personally experienced this problem, many people report it.

As for Ikenvape, I don't know what to tell you. I've vaped a lot of RY4s that weren't very good (to my palate), but there was nothing "wrong" with them---they just weren't to my liking. What you're talking about seems like something else---some distinct flavor or quality that shouldn't be there. This also is reported often on ECF, with people asking about "bad batches." Again, I've never experienced this.

I can tell you that Ikenvape RY4 Gold is considered by many people who have posted on this thread to be either their favorite RY4 or one of the best available.
 

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Dear Bill:

1. I am a fan of this thread. Love your 'RY4 Show' going on in here... !!!

2. A very close friend of mine who happens to be a great blender has a RY4 version of his own. We were wondering if you could try this and include a review/ some feedback in your great thread. This sounds very exciting to us; it sure would be waaay tooo coool reading about his home-made version from such a host as yourself !!!
He should first finish perfecting his latest work; his latest RY4 version, but that's just a few last touches here and there and this will be fully rounded-off, as for a final version...

Please let me know if you are on and we could ship a sample to you. If so PM me with your details...

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Thank you so much for your answers, and taking the time to respond.

As we all know, the FSUSA is a dark, rich flavor sold as RY4. But in truth, it is nothing like a RY4. But I love it.
I just ordered more today. (They finally got the cc taking problem solved). Now for the BIG question. What else is out there on the market that taste similar to FSUSA's version of RY4. I am sure someone here knows of something to it. Just as I am sure it is sold under another name. Something other than RY4.

Thanks folks!

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Thank you so much for your answers, and taking the time to respond.

As we all know, the FSUSA is a dark, rich flavor sold as RY4. But in truth, it is nothing like a RY4. But I love it.
I just ordered more today. (They finally got the cc taking problem solved). Now for the BIG question. What else is out there on the market that taste similar to FSUSA's version of RY4. I am sure someone here knows of something to it. Just as I am sure it is sold under another name. Something other than RY4.

Thanks folks!

KnifeMaker

How would you describe FSUSA's RY4? Heavy on the caramel? Vanilla? What juices do you find it similar to?

Thanks!
 

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Thank you so much for your answers, and taking the time to respond.

As we all know, the FSUSA is a dark, rich flavor sold as RY4. But in truth, it is nothing like a RY4. But I love it.
I just ordered more today. (They finally got the cc taking problem solved). Now for the BIG question. What else is out there on the market that taste similar to FSUSA's version of RY4. I am sure someone here knows of something to it. Just as I am sure it is sold under another name. Something other than RY4. Thanks folks!

KnifeMaker

Knife,

As far as I know, FSUSA RY4 is custom-made by or for Freedom Smoke USA and is not available under any other name or vendor label. I could be wrong about that, but I've not seen anything that leads me to think otherwise.

FSUSA RY4 is a complex concoction of many flavors. I'm not aware of anything like it. It is entirely its own creature, just like their RY5.

It was the first RY4 I ever bought or vaped (followed by BWB RY4). I liked it a lot in the early months of my vaping journey, although I'm not a fan anymore. I still have a significant amount of FSUSA RY4 in my juice cellar---20mls of 24mg and 50mls of 0 nic.
 

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How would you describe FSUSA's RY4? Heavy on the caramel? Vanilla? What juices do you find it similar to? Thanks!

wigglr,

It's been so long since I vaped any FSUSA RY4 that I couldn't remember what it tastes like. So, I just atty-dripped some into an IKV 1.6 ohm bonut-modified LR306 on a 4.0 volt Hello 016 battery. Ah, yes! Flavor memory bounces right back.

The juice I have is now 13 months old, so its flavor may have deteriorated some due to age (although it's just like I remember it from long ago), and it might not be the same as the RY4 FSUSA sells today, but here goes: It's rich, but not specifically caramel- or vanilla-rich. The richness is in overall flavor. Deep and dark, without brightness or efforvescence. Unlike many popular RY4s, FSUSA RY4 is the steak without the sizzle.

Caramel is the leading flavor, and about the only one I can identify in what is a complex but somewhat muddled blend of other flavors, almost like a stew with caramel gravy. This is not a subtle gourmet liquid---more a meat-and-potatoes variety. Like when you get down to having little food in the fridge, so you open some cans and get out all the leftovers and dump everything into a big pot, adding seasonings, but what you end up with turns out to be surprisingly plain---as if the individual flavors had cancelled out each other---and adding more seasonings just further muddies the overall flavor.

I can understand why some people like it---it's substantial and hearty. But I also remember why I have it ranked so low on the Big List. It's a very atypical RY4.
 

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Thanks for the feed back Guy's! I love the stuff. I know, not a polished pallet, but still. I love it!

What I meant by others having it, is not their actual flavor, but someone else making something very similar. I have tried to match it myself, with WAY less than stellar results. Not even close actually.:oops::glare:
 

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After my recent decision to remove NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral Tobacco from The Big RY4 List, I got to thinking about the many, many juices in the vaping marketplace that aren’t quite RY4s, but come close. These juices use some combination of the three core ingredients of RY4s---most often, either tobacco with caramel or tobacco with vanilla. Occasionally they use all three, but all of them still end up tasting like something slightly (or even substantially) different from RY4.

Below is a list of the juices that qualify for this Not-RY4-But-Close category. All those listed are in my personal juice cellar. Many more are available that I haven’t purchased or vaped. They don't belong on The Big RY4 List, but they might be of interest to people who like RY4.

The caramels---

Caramel Corral by NiteLiteVapor
Caramel Tobacco by BlueMistVaping
Caramel Tobacco by KalamazooVaporShop
Caramel Spanish Gold by Sweet-Vapes
Caramelized Baco by GourmetVapor
English Toffee Tobacco by ECBlend
Straight Up Caramel by Moondrop

The vanillas---

Bounty Hunter by NiteLiteVapor
Chocolate Vanilla 555 by ECBlend
Kentucky Vanilla Blend by VermillionRiver
Organic Madagascar Vanilla Tobacco by Vaperite
Vanilla Butternut Tobacco by ECBlend
Vita Bella by GoodEJuice


Of this relatively small group, here are my top personal recommendations:

  • If you want a wonderful tobacco juice with a little caramel added, try Caramel Spanish Gold by Sweet-Vapes.
  • If you want a rich ‘n gooey Caramel juice with a little tobacco added, try Caramel Corral Tobacco by NiteLiteVapor.
  • If you want an exotic Tobacco Absolute juice with a little caramel added, try Straight Up Caramel by Moondrop.
  • If you want a superb natural extract tobacco juice with a little Vanilla added, try Vita Bella by GoodEJuice.
  • If you want a terrific tobacco juice with more than a little Vanilla added, try Kentucky Vanilla Blend by VermillionRiver.
  • If you want a delicious Vanilla juice with a little tobacco added (plus some cookie and cake undertones), try Bounty Hunter by NiteLiteVapor.
And---last but by no means least---although I don't know which sub-group of Not-RY4-But-Close it should go in, no informal list like this would be worth its salt without at least mentioning Boba's Bounty by AlienVisions.
 
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