The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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I actually thought ikenvape ry4 was more on the sweet side. Much sweeter than janty. Too sweet for my tastebuds

ckim,

In terms of sweetness alone, I can't tell much difference between Janty and Ikenvape at 3.7 volts. At 5 volts, however, Janty's sweetness emerges for me, whereas Ikenvape's tobacco stands out more.

That is, of course, the particular bottles of each that I have that are a certain age, vaped on the equipment I'm using, to my palate, in my house, at 6:00 p.m. PST today, etc.

Every one of those variables is different for you. So, perhaps you're right. Perhaps I'm right, too. Or maybe we're both full of beans.

But then, vaping is like quantum physics. No amount of precise measurements can tell us for sure where that darned electron is.
 

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I finally received my Mom & Pop's order, I've been really excited after hearing all the great reviews, and of course this thread made their RY4 a must. I wound up with the RY4v2 and RYO because of some shortcomming on my part I didn't get their regular RY4 lol. Ryo is just eh, gonna let it steep...but this isn't they RYO roundup, so I'm here to say that when I first checked out the RY4v2 I just couldn't believe how amazing it was. This juice is just what I've been looking for, strong tobacco flavor with a little sweet buttery vanilla blended in some kind of nectar of the gods lol.

I'm not experienced enough to give a great flavor profile, but I am experienced enough to say thank you for getting me excited, rightfully so, about RY4. I have yet to try the other flavors I got from them, but for me, I just couldn't imagine this getting any better than their RY4v2. I did notice the v2 hasn't made the list, is it a newer RY4 that hasn't been sampled yet?
 

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I finally received my Mom & Pop's order, I've been really excited after hearing all the great reviews, and of course this thread made their RY4 a must. I wound up with the RY4v2 and RYO because of some shortcomming on my part I didn't get their regular RY4 lol. Ryo is just eh, gonna let it steep...but this isn't they RYO roundup, so I'm here to say that when I first checked out the RY4v2 I just couldn't believe how amazing it was. This juice is just what I've been looking for, strong tobacco flavor with a little sweet buttery vanilla blended in some kind of nectar of the gods lol.

I'm not experienced enough to give a great flavor profile, but I am experienced enough to say thank you for getting me excited, rightfully so, about RY4. I have yet to try the other flavors I got from them, but for me, I just couldn't imagine this getting any better than their RY4v2. I did notice the v2 hasn't made the list, is it a newer RY4 that hasn't been sampled yet?
On the last ranking (post #1075), billherbst ranks M&P's RY4 at #9 and their RY4v2 at #12. I like the RY4v2 slightly more than Mom and Pop's original RY4. But they are very close, both are excellent. RY4's first review was post #881 and RY4v2 was first reviewed in post #964.
 

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Bill I really enjoy reading your reviews. I was just wondering if you have tried Fall Harvest RY4 from Spring Vapor. I recently ordered it and it has become my favorite RY4.

jteezy,

No, I haven't. I saw Fall Harvest RY4 some weeks ago when I checked out SpringVapor's site, but ordering a bottle was sacrificed to my financial austerity program. Since the Big RY4 Roundup thread began last June, I've purchased 47 RY4s (more than 800mls). Between that and all the other juices and hardware I've bought, my wallet began to complain. So I've cut back.

A couple of vendors have sent me their RY4s free for review, and some generous individuals here on the thread have mailed me sample bottles to review. Unless I have an old aunt I don't know about who leaves me a bundle in her will, though, that's how things will have to be for the present.

Glad you found an RY4 you love!
 

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jteezy,

Due to your kind intervention, Nik at SpringVapor is sending me two bottles for review. One is Fall Harvest RY4, the other is a new juice not yet available that Nik's been developing---a second RY4 recipe that's designed to replicate the flavor of the lost 2009 Dekang RY4.

Thanks for your help.
 

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I'll be talking about three new Janty RY4 variants on test this week for your consideration.

All are part of Janty's new Vitaya range of juices: RY4, RY4-X and RY7

All juices are PG mixed at 24mg. Tested on an Reo Mini and Reo Grand both at 3.7v on Cisco 510 1.5ohm atomizers.

First up: Janty Vitaya RY4

This juice, perhaps more so then the others, i didn't expect to be too much of a radical departure from Janty's mainstay: namely Janty RY4. Were this true I'd not have been disappointed, there's a good reason why Bill has Janty top of his rankings week in, week out. It is, without a doubt the best RY4 around (imo).

This mix however isn't quite the same at all. An immediate sweetness is noticeable at first on that inhale, one which does linger and stick to the teeth a little on the exhale and long afterwards. A subtle vanilla is present and one I'd say was a touch more prominent then Janty's original RY4 mix. The tobacco is subdued and barely brought to the forefront with the rather heavy sweet caramel swamping it for the most part. But what surprised me (and if I'm honest disappointed me most) was the lack of the trade mark sourness. that unique aftertaste of a sourness which blended so beautifully with the Janty to save it from being an overly sugary and sweet mix. It is there, if you really look for it, but you'll have to near trick your senses into finding it. Its one of those things were possibly the memory of Janty original is tainting the thoughts of this newer mix, but i was left a little lost with exactly 'what was the point?' in this vitaya mix.

On it's own its a dam good RY4. But its 'not the best RY4' anymore. The lingering sugary stickiness on the teeth and lack of tobacco bite with that smoothing, crisp sourness you know and love Janty for is far too subtle here to truly appreciate. A subtle, sweet and lingering RY4 mix with hints of greatness then, but never really reaching the heights of the original mix.

Next up: Janty Vitaya RY7

With the RY7 i had no real expectations. Unlike a strict RY4, i have no actual memory of what exactly an RY7 should actually consist of. In that sense this juice has no comparison and arguably only here as a footnote in the RY family tree.

In reality, this could pass quite comfortably as an RY4 and few would grumble it lacked any critical components. Its an vanilla heavy mix, but still surprisingly smooth and without a biting burnt custard aftertaste which can plague a vanilla heavy Ry variant (pink spots RY8 springs to mind as most guilty of this). There's caramel sweetness here too, its more of an aftertaste though and blends with a tobacco taste in the back of the mouth, just on the tongue. what i think this juice didn't need was my choosing a relatively high 24mg nicotine mix. The vanilla gives way to a peppery hotness which does spoil the subtleties i think this juice otherwise possesses. I also don't think it likes to be cooked hot and would likely have worked a little better at 16mg (or less) on a standard resistance atty or carto. It belongs to the dessert groupings of RY variants then, but its a surprisingly decent vape. It doesn't trouble Janty RY4 original (or even the Vitaya version above) but its one I'd comfortably vape and wouldn't bemoan its presence in an RY4 grouping either.

Finally: Janty Vitaya RY4-X

Theres little to tell apart here from the above named Vitaya RY4, save for the obvious question of: "what does the X mean?". It is, almost certainly a doubler of one or more of the components in the Vitaya RY4 mixes. Its more tobacco strong for one and also has a slightly odd, peachy fruity taste too on the exhale. Janty mixes have always had: peach aldehyde listed as an ingredient, here it's a lot more noticeable as part of the mix.

An odd finding however when checking the new and nicely labeled Vitaya mixes revealed that RY4-X and RY4 has exactly the same ingredients and % amounts of each. There was not one single difference between the two from an ingredients list perspective. Vaping them does reveal a subtlety between the mixes however, so whether this is all purely placebo or a labeling error remains unknown to me.

final comments:

Overal the Vitaya range seems an odd move by Janty from me, a difficult move to a new range of RY4's which remain classic to Janty'c core flavours and craft yet not really bettering what they'd achieved before.

The problem of course with bettering greatness (dare i suggest: near perfection) is its dam near impossible to better. Its all a bit catch 22 for Janty. Change your mixes too much beyond what people expect from a Janty mix and you'll likely turn people away, on the other hand however, change very little and call it all a new line of Janty mixes and people start to wonder whats really new here? In-truth the Vitaya range changes things only subtlety, they favor an even more sweeter edge (Janty comfortably was a dessert vape anyway) though looses some of the bite from the sourness on the exhale that once complimented the tobacco so well.

I'd happily vape any one of these 3 again, they are, by any measure exceptionally good juices. I'm just not sure i'd so so over the original and best Janty RY4 without at least thinking my money had been better spent on my tried and tested fave. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener...
 

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zombite,

Wonderful reviews, as always, despite the slightly disappointing content/judgment.

I was re-shuffling my tray of RY4 cartos to line them up with the newest revision of the rankings, and I happened to grab the RY4 Intense you so graciously provided and vape it for five minutes or so. To me, it seems identical to the Dekang RY4 I have from Health Cabin. At least I can't tell any difference. Then I surfed to the VapourWorld/UK web site, and---lo and behold!---they are now selling a whole menagerie of RYs---Ruyan and Ruyan Intense, RY1, RY2, RY3, RY4 and RY4 Intense, RYHi-5 and RYHi-5 Intense (neither available at this time), RY6 and RY6 Intense, RY7 and RY7 Intense, and finally RY8 and RY8 Intense. Holy Dekang, Batman! That's 15 different variations on the RY theme.

Other than stating that all these juices are premix Dekang, straight from the factory, and implying that at least the higher RY numbers were formulated specifically for VapourWorld, the respective site pages for each liquid give no hint as to what each one tastes like and how they vary---only the same sentence on each page about "the legend of RY4" being taken various steps further.

Google turned up very few independent reviews---especially the newer, higher-numbered RYs---and none of them comprehensive or particularly descriptive about the flavors beyond the usual Twitter-like one-liners (such as, "RYHi 5 is a light, sweet tobacco juice with nuts."). That doesn't tell us much. I guess you have to buy them to find out. LOL.
 

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This is one of my favorite threads, although, you guys make me think I have stupid taste buds.......

Maybe I ought to change my mod.......

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May as well jump in here and add my Ry4's that I like - not in order except for Janty at the top

Janty RY4
Mom and Pops - RYO4 - just got this and really like it
Ikenvape - RY4 VG - I use this in rebuilable tanks as it tones down the sweetness
VaporTalk - Dulcis
W2V - RY4
Liquid Express - Taboo - this one was an acquired taste and never did like it until took it to 6v
Vaperite - RY4


All these are vaped at 6V = dripped on a Bulli A-2 @ 2.6 - 2.8 ohms


Note - just got Highbrow - a note in it I do not like - however am letting it sit a couple weeks and will revisit it. That may change it, also find it too overly sweet.
 
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billherbst;3345086From the web site: “By popular request said:
Unranked: JantyUSA Janty RY4
[/B]From the web site: “Our #1 selling flavor. A bold tobacco base with hints of caramel and vanilla. Will satisfy the original tobacco lover as well as the sweet fans!”

Out of stock. Can’t get it. Haven’t tried it. I read good things about it on ECF, but with no first-hand experience I can’t comment on it. I include Janty RY4 as an unranked footnote only because numerous posters are very high on it.

I just did a review on Janty Elixir RY4. I have tried Janty RY4 Classic both are extrenely similair and extremely good. I would rank them #1 hands down. Review here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...or-differences-between-classic-janty-ry4.html
 

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I just did a review on Janty Elixir RY4. I have tried Janty RY4 Classic both are extrenely similair and extremely good. I would rank them #1 hands down. Review here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...or-differences-between-classic-janty-ry4.html

son et lumiere,

That quote you pasted is from the very first post in this thread, way back at the beginning of June, 2011, which contained the initial rankings list---only the first of many, many revisions.

Within that first month, I'd tested and reviewed Janty Classic RY4. Later I purchased Janty Elixir RY4 (months ago), in both the PG and VG versions. At this point---eight months later---Janty Elixir RY4 has been ranked #1 on the Big List here for a quite awhile now.

My review of Janty Classic RY4 is post #135 of this thread. (I read your review earlier today.)
 

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zombite,

Wonderful reviews, as always, despite the slightly disappointing content/judgment.

I was re-shuffling my tray of RY4 cartos to line them up with the newest revision of the rankings, and I happened to grab the RY4 Intense you so graciously provided and vape it for five minutes or so. To me, it seems identical to the Dekang RY4 I have from Health Cabin. At least I can't tell any difference. Then I surfed to the VapourWorld/UK web site, and---lo and behold!---they are now selling a whole menagerie of RYs---Ruyan and Ruyan Intense, RY1, RY2, RY3, RY4 and RY4 Intense, RYHi-5 and RYHi-5 Intense (neither available at this time), RY6 and RY6 Intense, RY7 and RY7 Intense, and finally RY8 and RY8 Intense. Holy Dekang, Batman! That's 15 different variations on the RY theme.

Other than stating that all these juices are premix Dekang, straight from the factory, and implying that at least the higher RY numbers were formulated specifically for VapourWorld, the respective site pages for each liquid give no hint as to what each one tastes like and how they vary---only the same sentence on each page about "the legend of RY4" being taken various steps further.

Google turned up very few independent reviews---especially the newer, higher-numbered RYs---and none of them comprehensive or particularly descriptive about the flavors beyond the usual Twitter-like one-liners (such as, "RYHi 5 is a light, sweet tobacco juice with nuts."). That doesn't tell us much. I guess you have to buy them to find out. LOL.

Yeap Bill, I'll admit I've been tempted once or twice to layout the cost and try all 15 a few times! I'm a little more conservative with my juices and spending habits now though, generally vaping all of my good Ry4 mixes before considering more. But yes, I think given the time I'll eventually get round to trying most if to all ofthe RY mixes offered by VapourWorld. The simply named Ruyan appeals too, presumably the singular Tobacoo base from which RY allegedly derives itself? Though of course that may not be the full picture, it's well known that RY4 was in fact the final recipe that we now know as RY4. All later mixes and even the rertospectively named RY's 1-3 were in fact later mixes. Hard to imagine there's too much difference between all 15 (some are almost certainly merely doubles of each other (the intense versions in any case) others though are prob more pronounced versions of the singular RY4 components: heavy Tobacoo, caramel, vanillia respectively... Who knows, maybe one amongst all these is in fact a hidden gem waiting to be discovered? When I've vaped my way through the 3 Vitayas I think I'll dedicate some time to finding out! Of course I'll let you all know here how that goes!
 

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son et lumiere,

That quote you pasted is from the very first post in this thread, way back at the beginning of June, 2011, which contained the initial rankings list---only the first of many, many revisions.

Within that first month, I'd tested and reviewed Janty Classic RY4. Later I purchased Janty Elixir RY4 (months ago), in both the PG and VG versions. At this point---eight months later---Janty Elixir RY4 has been ranked #1 on the Big List here for a quite awhile now.

My review of Janty Classic RY4 is post #135 of this thread. (I read your review earlier today.)

Okay. It's a long thread. Thanks for doing this. Aesome just awesome.
 
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