Bill, do you get a black licorice taste out of the black label?
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Bill, do you get a black licorice taste out of the black label?
Stillsmok9,
Well, yes and no. Yes, because I thought the mystery flavor in Fall Harvest RY4 might be licorice, so maybe Black Label contains the same flavor. No, because in Nik's PM thanking me for the reviews, he confirmed with a hearty LOL that Fall Harvest RY4 does not have any anise/licorice flavoring (although he didn't reveal what the mystery flavor is).
Presumably, if Fall Harvest has no licorice, Black Label doesn't either.
Well right now I am tasting Liquor-ish!
lolAt first I wasn't sure about this stuff, but, now it's hard to put down...
If he could replicate the cotton candy aspect of the old Dekang he would be darn close. IMHO
Well done, Spring Vapor!!!
I am letting my Black Label RY4 steep for a bit, but I don't taste anything like licorice. I get a smell and taste of marshmellow so far. I will do a review in a week on it, but that is what stands out so far.
Well, since the mock trial of Toasted Toffee has stirred up such little interest---only hangdude's post, but no other reactions at all---I guess I'll leave it on the Big List just because I like it.
In other News of the World, Linda at The Perfumer's Apprentice has come out with a new RY4 flavoring concentrate that she calls RY4 Double. A week or two back, I happened to read a post on one of the forums here that turned me on to its existence and held that the flavoring was the best RY4 concentrate yet. So, I ordered some from Good Prophets.
Over the past 16 months, I've ordered RY4 flavoring concentrates for DIY from numerous sources: Want2Vape, VaporRenu/FlavorWest, Hangsen, HealthCabin, and The Perfumer's/Flavorer's Apprentice (TPA/TFA/SignatureFlavor/whatever). The only RY4 flavoring I know of that i haven't yet bought is the one from FlavourArt that appeared some months ago.
The first RY4 flavoring that I bought from TPA, in my first month of vaping (Oct, 2010), was simply dreadful. Overwhelmingly floral and perfumey as all get-out. Made terrible juice. Since then, I've purchased RY4 concentrates by TPA from various vendors under different names: RY4 Flavoring, RY4 Type Flavoring, Special RY4 Flavoring. These were all the same, apparently Linda's second second-generation revision, and they were better. Not great, but not awful, either.
Now comes TPA's third-generation reformulation, RY4 Double, and guess what? It's pretty darned good! About midway between a classic Janty-Dekang type RY4 and the more custom American RY4s now appearing. Using a recipe of 10-20% flavoring, the resulting DIY RY4 liquid it produces is balanced with a little high-end sparkle. The tobacco is clean if not particularly distinctive, and the caramel and vanilla are smooth and not at all candy-like. The sweetness is restrained, thank goodness.
What I most like about this flavoring, besides the fact that it's pretty good, is the opportunity to take some of my favorite "straight" tobacco flavors and add some RY4 Double to them to make custom RY4s that have stronger tobacco flavor with reduced amounts of caramel and vanilla.
Yesterday I made a 50/50 mix of Natural Tobacco by PrimeVaping with DIY juice made from RY4 double. Quite good. This opens a new world of experimentation.
Link (scroll down): Perfumers Apprentice - Tobacco Flavors (no natural tobacco)
In other News of the World, Linda at The Perfumer's Apprentice has come out with a new RY4 flavoring concentrate that she calls RY4 Double. A week or two back, I happened to read a post on one of the forums here that turned me on to its existence and held that the flavoring was the best RY4 concentrate yet. So, I ordered some from Good Prophets.
Over the past 16 months, I've ordered RY4 flavoring concentrates for DIY from numerous sources: Want2Vape, VaporRenu/FlavorWest, Hangsen, HealthCabin, and The Perfumer's/Flavorer's Apprentice (TPA/TFA/SignatureFlavor/whatever). The only RY4 flavoring I know of that i haven't yet bought is the one from FlavourArt that appeared some months ago.
The first RY4 flavoring that I bought from TPA, in my first month of vaping (Oct, 2010), was simply dreadful. Overwhelmingly floral and perfumey as all get-out. Made terrible juice. Since then, I've purchased RY4 concentrates by TPA from various vendors under different names: RY4 Flavoring, RY4 Type Flavoring, Special RY4 Flavoring. These were all the same, apparently Linda's second second-generation revision, and they were better. Not great, but not awful, either.
Now comes TPA's third-generation reformulation, RY4 Double, and guess what? It's pretty darned good! About midway between a classic Janty-Dekang type RY4 and the more custom American RY4s now appearing. Using a recipe of 10-20% flavoring, the resulting DIY RY4 liquid it produces is balanced with a little high-end sparkle. The tobacco is clean if not particularly distinctive, and the caramel and vanilla are smooth and not at all candy-like. The sweetness is restrained, thank goodness.
What I most like about this flavoring, besides the fact that it's pretty good, is the opportunity to take some of my favorite "straight" tobacco flavors and add some RY4 Double to them to make custom RY4s that have stronger tobacco flavor with reduced amounts of caramel and vanilla.
Yesterday I made a 50/50 mix of Natural Tobacco by PrimeVaping with DIY juice made from RY4 double. Quite good. This opens a new world of experimentation.
Link (scroll down): Perfumers Apprentice - Tobacco Flavors (no natural tobacco)
Stillsmok and hangdude,
One of the things I hate about those cooking competition shows on TV---Top Chef, Chopped, etc.---is when contestant chefs are blindfolded and forced to identify mystery flavors from taste alone. Even great chefs with long training and exquisitely refined palates are not particularly good at this tomfoolery, so why should we vapers be any more able to accurately identify flavors "blind," so to speak, especially when they're mixed in with other flavors?
Anyway, Nik at Spring Vapor sent me a PM with some clarification. I don't want to divulge all of what he wrote until I have his permission, but the one important clarification I can offer right now is that Stillsmok is right, and hangdude (and I) are wrong:
Black Label RY4 does indeed contain licorice. Fall Harvest RY4 does not.
One of the things I hate about those cooking competition shows on TV---Top Chef, Chopped, etc.---is when contestant chefs are blindfolded and forced to identify mystery flavors from taste alone. Even great chefs with long training and exquisitely refined palates are not particularly good at this tomfoolery, so why should we vapers be any more able to accurately identify flavors "blind," so to speak, especially when they're mixed in with other flavors?
Anyway, Nik at Spring Vapor sent me a PM with some clarification. I don't want to divulge all of what he wrote until I have his permission, but the one important clarification I can offer right now is that Stillsmok is right, and hangdude (and I) are wrong:
Black Label RY4 does indeed contain licorice. Fall Harvest RY4 does not.
I'm getting quite a distinct liquorice like aftertaste on the exhale form my very latest bottle of janty elixir RY4. It's not something I felt I'd noticed or believed apparent any other time I'd vaped that juice, but it's near unmistakable here. Janty elixir is prob the best Ry4 around and either they've changed the recipe, I'd not noticed it before or something else is going on here. It was in my new janty neo classic device. At first I thought its possible residue primer fluid was mixing with my juice to give me that slightly chemical slightly sour yet sweet liquorice taste, but Im now wondering if it's notin fact a mystery ingredient of RY4. Someone PM'd me their own thoughts on this and also felt the same... Interesting and one which begs more research. It could even be salmanic (possibly spelling error here) much favoured by the Finnish...
When I tested Spring Vapor's two RY4s---Fall Harvest RY4 and Black Label RY4---for review, I atty-dripped exclusively, using both 510 and 306 atties.
This evening I loaded both RY4s into cartos. I keep about 2/3 of the RY4s on the Big List carto-loaded, using 1.5 ohm SmokTech dual coils, 1.7 ohm SmokTech single-coil Resurrectors or 2.0 ohm Boge LRs. All my cartos are labeled with the name and vendor, and the RY4 cartos are stored together in a plastic 50-round ammo cartridge box, the kind with the round vertical holes so the bullets (or, in my case, cartos) can sit upright, where they are arranged in alphabetical order (so I can find any particular RY4 carto quickly). The reason for all this fussiness and organization is simple: it makes comparison-testing efficient and easy.
Vaping the Black Label just now in a Boge LR carto, I notice the anise/licorice flavor instantly. It's not overly forward, but it is much more distinct than when I atty-dripped the juice. Or maybe it's just that having confirmed the presence of licorice from the horse's mouth, my brain can easily pick it out as an identifiable flavor. That's quite possible.
According to Nik at Spring Vapor (who created both RY4s), only one flavor is common to both RY4s, and that is the 'mystery flavor.' Every other flavoring component is different. By the way, I don't interpret that statement to mean that one has caramel and the other doesn't. No, I assume that both RY4s contain caramel, but each uses a different caramel flavoring.
Since I wrote the reviews back to back and was vaping both RY4s at the same time, I wonder if my brain didn't mistakenly transfer the licorice flavor from Black Label into what I thought was Fall Harvest. Or maybe I just took a puff off the wrong atty at some point or inadvertently switched the atties during testing---dripping Fall Harvest drops into the atty I'd been using for Black Label, which might still have had juice in the bonut. Whatever happened, my "wild guess" of anise/licorice" as the mystery flavor turns out not to have been out of the blue. No, the licorice was definitely in the room.
This evening I loaded both RY4s into cartos. I keep about 2/3 of the RY4s on the Big List carto-loaded, using 1.5 ohm SmokTech dual coils, 1.7 ohm SmokTech single-coil Resurrectors or 2.0 ohm Boge LRs. All my cartos are labeled with the name and vendor, and the RY4 cartos are stored together in a plastic 50-round ammo cartridge box, the kind with the round vertical holes so the bullets (or, in my case, cartos) can sit upright, where they are arranged in alphabetical order (so I can find any particular RY4 carto quickly). The reason for all this fussiness and organization is simple: it makes comparison-testing efficient and easy.
Vaping the Black Label just now in a Boge LR carto, I notice the anise/licorice flavor instantly. It's not overly forward, but it is much more distinct than when I atty-dripped the juice. Or maybe it's just that having confirmed the presence of licorice from the horse's mouth, my brain can easily pick it out as an identifiable flavor. That's quite possible.
According to Nik at Spring Vapor (who created both RY4s), only one flavor is common to both RY4s, and that is the 'mystery flavor.' Every other flavoring component is different. By the way, I don't interpret that statement to mean that one has caramel and the other doesn't. No, I assume that both RY4s contain caramel, but each uses a different caramel flavoring.
Since I wrote the reviews back to back and was vaping both RY4s at the same time, I wonder if my brain didn't mistakenly transfer the licorice flavor from Black Label into what I thought was Fall Harvest. Or maybe I just took a puff off the wrong atty at some point or inadvertently switched the atties during testing---dripping Fall Harvest drops into the atty I'd been using for Black Label, which might still have had juice in the bonut. Whatever happened, my "wild guess" of anise/licorice" as the mystery flavor turns out not to have been out of the blue. No, the licorice was definitely in the room.
Well I said what I thought about the Toasted Toffee not being an RY4 or its claim to be...and only seems one other person had a thought so 2 against one I lost hahahaha
I don't know. You "lost" in a close split decision based more on expediency than thoughtful deliberation, and even I'm not convinced. Hell, we probably didn't have a quorum, and the votes weren't what you'd call firm. You may yet win down the road on appeal to a higher court.
This whole question of what constitutes a "valid" RY4 is not going to end here. Since we have few, if any, "objective" standards against which to measure, and with the number of "custom" RY4s increasing so fast, we may have to impose martial law at some point and call out the troops to restore law and order in RY4 Land. LOL.
I think this is extremely valid especially when you consider the relative "newness" of joose flavorings.
specs: The 10ml bottle of Mom&PopVapor Shop RYO4 I purchased for review is 24mg nic strength in a blend of PG/VG whose ratio is unspecified. The liquid is a darkish caramel colored transparency. Testing for review was done using an 2.4 ohm Ultimate CE2 cartomizer powered by a Madvapes VV box providing 4.5V loaded, for a real wattage of 8.5W.
OK, lets get one thing straight right off the bat. The experience of smoking tobacco---with the particulates of tar, carbons, and hundreds of VOCs (volatile organic chemicals) contained in the hot smoke from burning leaves---has never been replicated in a vaping liquid. Period. Not yet, and maybe not ever. Neither in taste (thank god) nor in overall impact. For those of us who were not only addicted to tobacco smoking but loved it as well (maybe loved/hated is a more accurate term), the most we can hope for (and all we need, really) is a tobacco-flavored eliquid that will trick our brains into a similar reaction to the OMG effects of tobacco smoke. We want a good simulation with much better flavor and no dreadful side-effects on our health, not to mention no more being shunned as a social pariah.
Two different approaches exist in vaping research to solve this quest. One is Whole Tobacco Alkaloids (WTA), which is new and fairly exotic. The other is natural tobacco extracts, which already have a solid foothold in the eliquid marketplace. In simple terms, natural extracts are made by macerating (soaking) tobacco leaves in a neutral liquid, such as PG, over a period of some days, to leech from the leaves and draw out into the liquid the natural flavor components of the tobacco, while leaving behind the nasty toxic elements. Basically, its like steeping tea. Many of us who vape tobacco-flavors prefer naturally extracted tobacco flavorings over the more standard lab-created synthetic tobacco flavor concentrates used in the majority of eliquid tobacco blends.
Mom&PopVaporShop is one of numerous vendors who use natural tobacco extracts to make their tobacco-flavored juices. M&P specialize in using Tobacco Absolute, which is produced in Bulgaria (I think) and is incredibly potent and concentrated, with a unique flavor. Its also one of very few natural tobacco extracts that are commercially available as flavorings. I use it myself, as do many DIYers.
Tobacco Absolute can be tricky in eliquids. Its extremely concentrated---a little goes a long way---and adding just a smidgeon too much in a juice recipe can ruin the flavor, turning yum into yuk. Some people complain that Tobacco Absolute tastes like a dirty ashtray, but---curiously enough---this quality is the very thing that some of us love about Absolute. Not that we like the thought of licking dirty ashtrays, but when used with restraint, Tobacco Absolute can provide just of a hint of ashiness that turns out be immensely satisfying. Go figure.
Mom&Pops primary tobacco base, which includes Tobacco Absolute and is in most of their tobacco-flavored juice blends, was also used to create both their custom RY4 and somewhat richer RY4v2. Recently, M&P came out with RYO (the acronym for Roll Your Own), a juice designed specifically for vapers who want juice that is more reminiscent of the smoking-tobacco experience. RYO is a denser and deeper tobacco flavor, with substantially more ashiness than M&Ps other tobacco juices. I have some, and I like it a lot. RYO is solidly among my daily vapes.
After a customer requested an RY4 made from M&Ps RYO base rather than their lighter, cleaner base, the resulting juice was christened RYO4 and is now offered as part of M&Ps regular juice line-up.
RYO4 is another of the new, push-the-envelope custom RY4s that redefine flavor combinations and former notions of balance in RY4 Land. This is not your standard tobacco-caramel-vanilla trio of flavors frolicking together on the playground. Its serious TOBACCO, with just a whisper of caramel and the slightest hint of vanilla (plus distant echoes of whatever other flavorings M&P mixes in) to slightly soften the tobacco punch. RYO4 is far and away the most tobacco-dominant RY4 Ive ever vaped, bar none. Now, having said that, my personal preference still leans slightly toward straight RYO more than RYO4. But, if you want a really meaty, substantial tobacco in your RY4, now you have it.
Those who love dessert-sweet RY4s or the clean and classic RY4s should look elsewhere, and some other people simply wont like the ashiness inherent in the liberal use of Tobacco Absolute. No, RYO4 is specifically for vapers who still cherish the memory of deep satisfaction from the smoking experience. RYO4 may not be the ultimate catch in that fishing trip, but itll do for now.
Big List Ranking: #9
Category Groups: Stronger Tobacco, Distinctive (atypical)
link: RY04 Tobacco - Mom and Pop Vapor Shop
OK, lets get one thing straight right off the bat. The experience of smoking tobacco---with the particulates of tar, carbons, and hundreds of VOCs (volatile organic chemicals) contained in the hot smoke from burning leaves---has never been replicated in a vaping liquid. Period. Not yet, and maybe not ever. Neither in taste (thank god) nor in overall impact. For those of us who were not only addicted to tobacco smoking but loved it as well (maybe loved/hated is a more accurate term), the most we can hope for (and all we need, really) is a tobacco-flavored eliquid that will trick our brains into a similar reaction to the OMG effects of tobacco smoke. We want a good simulation with much better flavor and no dreadful side-effects on our health, not to mention no more being shunned as a social pariah.
Two different approaches exist in vaping research to solve this quest. One is Whole Tobacco Alkaloids (WTA), which is new and fairly exotic. The other is natural tobacco extracts, which already have a solid foothold in the eliquid marketplace. In simple terms, natural extracts are made by macerating (soaking) tobacco leaves in a neutral liquid, such as PG, over a period of some days, to leech from the leaves and draw out into the liquid the natural flavor components of the tobacco, while leaving behind the nasty toxic elements. Basically, its like steeping tea. Many of us who vape tobacco-flavors prefer naturally extracted tobacco flavorings over the more standard lab-created synthetic tobacco flavor concentrates used in the majority of eliquid tobacco blends.
Mom&PopVaporShop is one of numerous vendors who use natural tobacco extracts to make their tobacco-flavored juices. M&P specialize in using Tobacco Absolute, which is produced in Bulgaria (I think) and is incredibly potent and concentrated, with a unique flavor. Its also one of very few natural tobacco extracts that are commercially available as flavorings. I use it myself, as do many DIYers.
Tobacco Absolute can be tricky in eliquids. Its extremely concentrated---a little goes a long way---and adding just a smidgeon too much in a juice recipe can ruin the flavor, turning yum into yuk. Some people complain that Tobacco Absolute tastes like a dirty ashtray, but---curiously enough---this quality is the very thing that some of us love about Absolute. Not that we like the thought of licking dirty ashtrays, but when used with restraint, Tobacco Absolute can provide just of a hint of ashiness that turns out be immensely satisfying. Go figure.
Mom&Pops primary tobacco base, which includes Tobacco Absolute and is in most of their tobacco-flavored juice blends, was also used to create both their custom RY4 and somewhat richer RY4v2. Recently, M&P came out with RYO (the acronym for Roll Your Own), a juice designed specifically for vapers who want juice that is more reminiscent of the smoking-tobacco experience. RYO is a denser and deeper tobacco flavor, with substantially more ashiness than M&Ps other tobacco juices. I have some, and I like it a lot. RYO is solidly among my daily vapes.
After a customer requested an RY4 made from M&Ps RYO base rather than their lighter, cleaner base, the resulting juice was christened RYO4 and is now offered as part of M&Ps regular juice line-up.
RYO4 is another of the new, push-the-envelope custom RY4s that redefine flavor combinations and former notions of balance in RY4 Land. This is not your standard tobacco-caramel-vanilla trio of flavors frolicking together on the playground. Its serious TOBACCO, with just a whisper of caramel and the slightest hint of vanilla (plus distant echoes of whatever other flavorings M&P mixes in) to slightly soften the tobacco punch. RYO4 is far and away the most tobacco-dominant RY4 Ive ever vaped, bar none. Now, having said that, my personal preference still leans slightly toward straight RYO more than RYO4. But, if you want a really meaty, substantial tobacco in your RY4, now you have it.
Those who love dessert-sweet RY4s or the clean and classic RY4s should look elsewhere, and some other people simply wont like the ashiness inherent in the liberal use of Tobacco Absolute. No, RYO4 is specifically for vapers who still cherish the memory of deep satisfaction from the smoking experience. RYO4 may not be the ultimate catch in that fishing trip, but itll do for now.
Big List Ranking: #9
Category Groups: Stronger Tobacco, Distinctive (atypical)
link: RY04 Tobacco - Mom and Pop Vapor Shop
Two criteria are used for these rankings. The first is my own totally subjective personal opinion, meaning what I like and dont like. That constitutes about 80% of the ranking. The other 20% comes from my assessment of the general popularity of a given RY4. If its wildly popular, that will improve somewhat whatever ranking Id otherwise give it based on my personal reaction.
Each RY4 on the Ranking List is now followed by a numbered post, which is the original review of that juice. So, if you want to read my initial opinions about any RY4 on the list, now you dont have to wade through 100 pages to find the review.
If you might base a buying decision on this post, look to the Category Groups rather than the Rankings, since the Categories are a more objective (meaning less opinionated) and reliable guide to RY4s you might like.
An asterisk (*) after the name means that the juice is not commercially available. A double asterisk (**) means that the juice is commercially available from the UK, but not in the US.
The big winner in this revision was KickBassVapor RY4. I revisited the bottom 20 of the rankings list last week and vaped most of them to see if they still displeased me. Most were not much if any better for me than before. But the KBV signature buttery base (which is great in dessert vapes, but which I dont like in tobacco blends) had diminished greatly with aging/steeping, and---to my surprise and delight---left me enjoying the juice more. A whole lot more, actually. Over an entire day of vaping it on and off, I moved KBV RY4 up from the 50s, first into the 40s, then the 30s, and finally all the way into the mid-20s. (Now, if Tribeca would only make the same magical transformation )
RY4 Rankings (includes Classic and Custom RY4s)
#1-10 ...Superlative, Nectar of the Gods
#11-20. Very Good, like fine wine
#21-30 .Good, well worth vaping
#31-40 .Pretty good, but more average
#41-50 .Fair, but close enough for horseshoes
#51-60.....Only So-So, but still acceptable in a pinch
#61-71. Passable, but only on a desert island with no other juices
#72 ...Bottom of the barrel: RY4 hell
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4.....post #135
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious.....post #843
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4 ..post #1045
4. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend.....post #1
5. ESCI Toasted Toffee Tobacco Kick Juice.....post #868
6. Goodejuice GJ4.....post #977
7. VapourWorld Dekang RY4 Intense** ..post #659
8. HealthCabin Dekang RY4.....post #575
9. Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4.....post #1152
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2.....post #964
11. VaporTalk Dulcis.....post #1
12. Bloog/Volt RY4.....posts #355, #439
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4.....post #881
14. Moondrop RY42.....post #834
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4.....post #1
16. Greenhouse One RY4.....post #963
17. VapeRite Organic VR4.....post #1
18. PrimeVaping PV4.....post #1
19. NHaler RY4 ..post #1066
20. ParkesVaping PV4.....post #944
21. CrystalELiquid RY4 ..post #1015
22. QuickNicVapor RY4.....post #51
23. Revolver RY4 ..post #1062
24. KickBassVapor RY4.....post #15
25. LiquidXpress Taboo.....post #1
26. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice.....post #1
27. ElixirLiquid RY4.....post #1
28. SpringVapor Black Label RY4 ..post #1108
29. SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4 ..post #1107
30. Want2Vape RY4.....post #1
31. Sweet-Vapes RY4.....post #774
32. NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4.....post #1
33. GoodProphets GP4.....post #945
34. VaporStation VS4.....post #1
35. DIYFlavorShack RY4 ..post #1073
36. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4 ..post #1074
37. CopperCreek Voodoo.....post #807
38. ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe).....post #619
39. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4.....post #518
40. ValueVapor Dekang RY3.....post #836
41. GoodProphets Keemer RY3 VG.....post #823
42. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG.....post #8239
43. VapeRite RY4.....post #1
44. ValueVapor Dekang RY1-2.....post #836
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4.....post #755
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4.....post #1
47. TopShelf RY4.....post #673
48. GoodEJuice RY4.....post #158
49. Vixen Vapors RY4.....post #288
50. Halo Tribeca.....post #157
51. Want2Vape Rock Star.....post #1
52. VapeDoctor RY4.....post #665
53. GourmetVapor RY4.....post #241
54. VaporStation RY4.....post #1
55. EliteVaporworks RY4.....post #774
56. SmokeForPennys RY4.....post #673
57. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend.....post #254
58. HealthCabin house-brand RY4.....post #983
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco.....post #616
60. ParkesVaping RY4.....post #944
61. AltSmoke RY4.....post #1
62. HighCaliber Our 4.....post #388
63. VapeMasters R4*.....post #1
64. HotVapes RY4 ..post #1027
65. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4.....post #1
66. HoneyvilleVapor RY4.....#287
67. AwesomeVapor RY4.....post #1
68. Mist-Stix RY4.....post #1
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group).....post #702
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4.....posts #1, #755
71. BlueMistVaping RY4.....post #1
72. FlavourArt oRYental 4.....post #1
Category Groups
Stronger Tobacco (less sweet)
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
4. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
6. Goodejuice GJ4
6. VapourWorld Dekang RY4 Intense**
7. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
9. Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4
11. VaporTalk Dulcis
13. Moondrop RY42
14. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
20. ParkesVaping PV4
26. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice
31. Sweet-Vapes RY4
34. VaporStation VS4
42. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
43. VapeRite RY4
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
48. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4
Dessert (more sweet)
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
12. Bloog/Volt RY4
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
16. Greenhouse One RY4
21. CrystalELiquid RY4
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
24. KickBassVapor RY4
33. GoodProphets GP4
39. Vixen Vapors RY4
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY4
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
47. TopShelf RY4
48. GoodEJuice RY4
52. VapeDoctor RY4
56. SmokeForPennys RY4
57. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
62. HighCaliber Our 4
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
Sweet & Sour
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
5. ESCI Toasted Toffee Tobacco Kick Juice
58. ParkesVaping RY4
Nutty
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
4. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
11. VaporTalk Dulcis
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
25. LiquidXpress Taboo
27. ElixirLiquid RY4
43. VapeRite RY4
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
58. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
60. ParkesVaping RY4
Caramel Rich
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
14. Moondrop RY42
16. Greenhouse One RY4
17. VapeRite Organic VR4
18. PrimeVaping PV4
19. NHaler R Why Not
20. ParkesVaping PV4
21. CrystalELiquid RY4
24. KickBassVapor RY4
25. LiquidXpress Taboo
30. Want2Vape RY4
36. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4
37. CopperCreek Voodoo
41. GoodProphets Keemer RY3 VG
47. TopShelf RY4
48. GoodEJuice RY4
49. Vixen Vapors RY4
53. GourmetVapor RY4
55. EliteVaporworks RY4
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
Vanilla Rich
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
18. PrimeVaping PV4
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
23. Revolver RY4
31. Sweet-Vapes RY4
36. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4
57. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
65. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
69. VoidMist RY4 Version 3
Liqueur
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
49. Vixen Vapors RY4
Balanced/Blended
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
7. VapourWorld Dekang RY4 Intense**
8. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
12. VaporTalk Dulcis
13. Bloog/Volt RY4
16. Greenhouse One RY4
18. PrimeVaping PV4
21. CrystalELiquid RY4
27. ElixirLiquid RY4
28. SpringVapor Black Label RY4
29. SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4
33. GoodProphets GP4
34. VaporStation VS4
35. DIYFlavorShack RY4
38. ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe)
42. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
43. VapeRite RY4
44. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
48. GoodEJuice RY4
50. Halo Tribeca
54. VaporStation RY4
55. EliteVaporworks RY4
56. SmokeForPennys RY4
58. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
61. ParkesVaping RY4
67. AwesomeVapor RY4
Distinctive (atypical)
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
6. Goodejuice GJ4
9. Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
14. Moondrop RY42
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
17. VapeRite Organic VR4
19. ParkesVaping PV4
24. KickBassVapor RY4
28. SpringVapor Black Label RY4
29. SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4
35. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4
37. CopperCreek Voodoo
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1
48. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4
50. Halo Tribeca
51. Want2Vape Rock Star
56. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
62. HighCaliber Our 4
63. Vapemasters R4*
65. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
So-So (undistinguished)
60. ParkesVaping RY4
64. HotVapes RY4
65. Mist-Stix RY4
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
Bizarre (just plain weird)
71. BlueMistVaping RY4
72. FlavourArt oRYental 4
Each RY4 on the Ranking List is now followed by a numbered post, which is the original review of that juice. So, if you want to read my initial opinions about any RY4 on the list, now you dont have to wade through 100 pages to find the review.
If you might base a buying decision on this post, look to the Category Groups rather than the Rankings, since the Categories are a more objective (meaning less opinionated) and reliable guide to RY4s you might like.
An asterisk (*) after the name means that the juice is not commercially available. A double asterisk (**) means that the juice is commercially available from the UK, but not in the US.
The big winner in this revision was KickBassVapor RY4. I revisited the bottom 20 of the rankings list last week and vaped most of them to see if they still displeased me. Most were not much if any better for me than before. But the KBV signature buttery base (which is great in dessert vapes, but which I dont like in tobacco blends) had diminished greatly with aging/steeping, and---to my surprise and delight---left me enjoying the juice more. A whole lot more, actually. Over an entire day of vaping it on and off, I moved KBV RY4 up from the 50s, first into the 40s, then the 30s, and finally all the way into the mid-20s. (Now, if Tribeca would only make the same magical transformation )
RY4 Rankings (includes Classic and Custom RY4s)
#1-10 ...Superlative, Nectar of the Gods
#11-20. Very Good, like fine wine
#21-30 .Good, well worth vaping
#31-40 .Pretty good, but more average
#41-50 .Fair, but close enough for horseshoes
#51-60.....Only So-So, but still acceptable in a pinch
#61-71. Passable, but only on a desert island with no other juices
#72 ...Bottom of the barrel: RY4 hell
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4.....post #135
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious.....post #843
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4 ..post #1045
4. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend.....post #1
5. ESCI Toasted Toffee Tobacco Kick Juice.....post #868
6. Goodejuice GJ4.....post #977
7. VapourWorld Dekang RY4 Intense** ..post #659
8. HealthCabin Dekang RY4.....post #575
9. Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4.....post #1152
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2.....post #964
11. VaporTalk Dulcis.....post #1
12. Bloog/Volt RY4.....posts #355, #439
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4.....post #881
14. Moondrop RY42.....post #834
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4.....post #1
16. Greenhouse One RY4.....post #963
17. VapeRite Organic VR4.....post #1
18. PrimeVaping PV4.....post #1
19. NHaler RY4 ..post #1066
20. ParkesVaping PV4.....post #944
21. CrystalELiquid RY4 ..post #1015
22. QuickNicVapor RY4.....post #51
23. Revolver RY4 ..post #1062
24. KickBassVapor RY4.....post #15
25. LiquidXpress Taboo.....post #1
26. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice.....post #1
27. ElixirLiquid RY4.....post #1
28. SpringVapor Black Label RY4 ..post #1108
29. SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4 ..post #1107
30. Want2Vape RY4.....post #1
31. Sweet-Vapes RY4.....post #774
32. NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4.....post #1
33. GoodProphets GP4.....post #945
34. VaporStation VS4.....post #1
35. DIYFlavorShack RY4 ..post #1073
36. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4 ..post #1074
37. CopperCreek Voodoo.....post #807
38. ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe).....post #619
39. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4.....post #518
40. ValueVapor Dekang RY3.....post #836
41. GoodProphets Keemer RY3 VG.....post #823
42. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG.....post #8239
43. VapeRite RY4.....post #1
44. ValueVapor Dekang RY1-2.....post #836
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4.....post #755
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4.....post #1
47. TopShelf RY4.....post #673
48. GoodEJuice RY4.....post #158
49. Vixen Vapors RY4.....post #288
50. Halo Tribeca.....post #157
51. Want2Vape Rock Star.....post #1
52. VapeDoctor RY4.....post #665
53. GourmetVapor RY4.....post #241
54. VaporStation RY4.....post #1
55. EliteVaporworks RY4.....post #774
56. SmokeForPennys RY4.....post #673
57. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend.....post #254
58. HealthCabin house-brand RY4.....post #983
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco.....post #616
60. ParkesVaping RY4.....post #944
61. AltSmoke RY4.....post #1
62. HighCaliber Our 4.....post #388
63. VapeMasters R4*.....post #1
64. HotVapes RY4 ..post #1027
65. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4.....post #1
66. HoneyvilleVapor RY4.....#287
67. AwesomeVapor RY4.....post #1
68. Mist-Stix RY4.....post #1
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group).....post #702
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4.....posts #1, #755
71. BlueMistVaping RY4.....post #1
72. FlavourArt oRYental 4.....post #1
Category Groups
Stronger Tobacco (less sweet)
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
4. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
6. Goodejuice GJ4
6. VapourWorld Dekang RY4 Intense**
7. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
9. Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4
11. VaporTalk Dulcis
13. Moondrop RY42
14. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
20. ParkesVaping PV4
26. Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice
31. Sweet-Vapes RY4
34. VaporStation VS4
42. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
43. VapeRite RY4
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
48. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4
Dessert (more sweet)
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
12. Bloog/Volt RY4
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
16. Greenhouse One RY4
21. CrystalELiquid RY4
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
24. KickBassVapor RY4
33. GoodProphets GP4
39. Vixen Vapors RY4
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY4
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
47. TopShelf RY4
48. GoodEJuice RY4
52. VapeDoctor RY4
56. SmokeForPennys RY4
57. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
62. HighCaliber Our 4
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
Sweet & Sour
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
5. ESCI Toasted Toffee Tobacco Kick Juice
58. ParkesVaping RY4
Nutty
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
4. Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold, PG Blend
11. VaporTalk Dulcis
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
25. LiquidXpress Taboo
27. ElixirLiquid RY4
43. VapeRite RY4
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
58. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
60. ParkesVaping RY4
Caramel Rich
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
14. Moondrop RY42
16. Greenhouse One RY4
17. VapeRite Organic VR4
18. PrimeVaping PV4
19. NHaler R Why Not
20. ParkesVaping PV4
21. CrystalELiquid RY4
24. KickBassVapor RY4
25. LiquidXpress Taboo
30. Want2Vape RY4
36. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4
37. CopperCreek Voodoo
41. GoodProphets Keemer RY3 VG
47. TopShelf RY4
48. GoodEJuice RY4
49. Vixen Vapors RY4
53. GourmetVapor RY4
55. EliteVaporworks RY4
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
Vanilla Rich
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
18. PrimeVaping PV4
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
23. Revolver RY4
31. Sweet-Vapes RY4
36. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4
57. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
65. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
69. VoidMist RY4 Version 3
Liqueur
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
22. QuickNicVapor RY4
49. Vixen Vapors RY4
Balanced/Blended
1. Janty Classic/Elixir RY4
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
7. VapourWorld Dekang RY4 Intense**
8. HealthCabin Dekang RY4
12. VaporTalk Dulcis
13. Bloog/Volt RY4
16. Greenhouse One RY4
18. PrimeVaping PV4
21. CrystalELiquid RY4
27. ElixirLiquid RY4
28. SpringVapor Black Label RY4
29. SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4
33. GoodProphets GP4
34. VaporStation VS4
35. DIYFlavorShack RY4
38. ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe)
42. GoodProphets Keemer RY4 VG
43. VapeRite RY4
44. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4
46. KalamazooVaporShop RY4
48. GoodEJuice RY4
50. Halo Tribeca
54. VaporStation RY4
55. EliteVaporworks RY4
56. SmokeForPennys RY4
58. HealthCabin house-brand RY4
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
61. ParkesVaping RY4
67. AwesomeVapor RY4
Distinctive (atypical)
2. Alien Visions Raf-a-licious
3. HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
6. Goodejuice GJ4
9. Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4
10. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
14. Moondrop RY42
15. BackwoodsBrew RY4
17. VapeRite Organic VR4
19. ParkesVaping PV4
24. KickBassVapor RY4
28. SpringVapor Black Label RY4
29. SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4
35. DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4
37. CopperCreek Voodoo
45. Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1
48. TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4
50. Halo Tribeca
51. Want2Vape Rock Star
56. JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend
59. CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
62. HighCaliber Our 4
63. Vapemasters R4*
65. FreedomSmokeUSA RY4
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
So-So (undistinguished)
60. ParkesVaping RY4
64. HotVapes RY4
65. Mist-Stix RY4
69. VoidMist RY4 (all 3 versions as a group)
70. Vapure VY4/Liberty-Flights LF4
Bizarre (just plain weird)
71. BlueMistVaping RY4
72. FlavourArt oRYental 4
Been vaping this one for more than a year... who else vapes this? Never seen anyone else write about it.
Great juice.
Janty is #1 why becuz its your idea of exactly what a RY4 should be, taste etc...That is the point of this thread correct?....so in a nutshell Toasted Toffee is your idea wht a RY4 should be even though its just toasted toffee? So maybe we should add lets say Want2Vape's Creme Brulee vapes its not really a RY4 but its good enough to be exactly wht a RY4 should be.
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I've vaped this some, though it's not in my rotation. When I first tried it I was surprised that it was more toasted than toffee, IOW I was expecting a sweeter flavor. It is a good tobacco alternative, (what I call bacco juices because as Bill noted none of them really equate to an actual cig taste).
Been a while since I checked this thread so here's some other thoughts from recent posts...
Also like VR Kentucky, prefer the Maplewood to the Original though I vape both. It's slightly sweeter and a touch more complex but definitely a variant of their Original mix. Their juice has a definitive signature base which I like, and think most will find it pleasant.
My favorite RY4 changes periodically, right now I'm really digging Keemer RY4 from Good Prophets, will try their RY3 next to see if I prefer more caramel. I vape it at 5v on HR and love the thoat and lung feeling, which is unusual for a VG juice. It is a good equivalent for experience of lung fullness to smoking a cig.
Been vaping WTA a while now (mostly Aroma) and always want some of this around. My preference is to vape it straight up without flavor mixed in. It doesn't really have a taste but it does have a mouth, throat and lung feel that it more complex than bacco equivalent juices. The throat in particular is far more complex than "Throat Hit". The latter seems to sharply hit just one point in my throat, while WTA hits five or six spots, much more like a cig. Yes, it does have a more physiological experience. I do reach a satiation point with it, which I never get with juice (24mg) which I can vape pretty much constantly. More than that I get a strong calming effect from it and always vape it before going to sleep at night. Also vape it when I get a strong urge to have a smoke, (been smoke-free since last April). It really helps me and I know others who find it helpful to stay away from the nasties.
Been a while since I checked this thread so here's some other thoughts from recent posts...
Also like VR Kentucky, prefer the Maplewood to the Original though I vape both. It's slightly sweeter and a touch more complex but definitely a variant of their Original mix. Their juice has a definitive signature base which I like, and think most will find it pleasant.
My favorite RY4 changes periodically, right now I'm really digging Keemer RY4 from Good Prophets, will try their RY3 next to see if I prefer more caramel. I vape it at 5v on HR and love the thoat and lung feeling, which is unusual for a VG juice. It is a good equivalent for experience of lung fullness to smoking a cig.
Been vaping WTA a while now (mostly Aroma) and always want some of this around. My preference is to vape it straight up without flavor mixed in. It doesn't really have a taste but it does have a mouth, throat and lung feel that it more complex than bacco equivalent juices. The throat in particular is far more complex than "Throat Hit". The latter seems to sharply hit just one point in my throat, while WTA hits five or six spots, much more like a cig. Yes, it does have a more physiological experience. I do reach a satiation point with it, which I never get with juice (24mg) which I can vape pretty much constantly. More than that I get a strong calming effect from it and always vape it before going to sleep at night. Also vape it when I get a strong urge to have a smoke, (been smoke-free since last April). It really helps me and I know others who find it helpful to stay away from the nasties.
Passerbyeus,
Want2Vape Crème Brûlée is mostly ethyl maltol (sweetener) and contains no tobacco flavoring at all. Toasted Toffee is a tobacco blend. You seem to believe that it's a candy vape.
The reason I bought some Toasted Toffee in the first place is that there were a couple posts on the thread and also more than one PM to me from people who felt that Jane's Toasted Toffee was very much like an RY4, and (so they claimed) a better one than many juices named RY4. So, I read the threads about it on ECF, went to the ECSI site and ordered some, tried it, and found myself generally in agreement with those people. In my review, I discussed the "uncertainty" factor of what I was then calling RY4-variants (now I call them Custom RY4s). At the time of the review, it was a judgment call to include Toasted Toffee on the big list, and it still is. Same with Halo Tribeca, AVE Raf-a-licious, CopperCreek Voodoo, and every other juice that is not actually named RY4 but is either clearly intended to be (because the vendor says so) or just tastes like one, whether intentional or not. I recently dropped NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral from the list because I felt after vaping it for awhile that it wasn't close enough in overall flavor to the other 70 RY4s I've vaped to be considered RY4-like. That was a judgment call too.
Have you actually vaped Toasted Toffee? Not to be unfriendly or adversarial, but you haven't stated that one way or the other, and it makes a difference in terms of debate. If the answer is yes, then we have a substantive disagreement about what Toasted Toffee tastes like. If not, however, then your argument against Toasted Toffee is just is pure conjecture and carries much less weight.
I also have to ask if your objection might be more about how high my current ranking is for Toasted Toffee than whether it's on the Big List at all. If it weren't at #5, but instead at, say, #43, would that make a difference to you? I mean, Toasted Toffee was on the list for a long time before you posted anything about it.
Just askin'.
I have to give passer a pass, as he(?) has tasted TToffee. I have not. I am sure it tastes more like RY4 than many others. Joogler's Blend with its floral undertones (but very good), PV4 that tastes more like a vanilla dessert cake than a tobacco, ones with chocolate, with/without nuttiness, even one that has a grape flavor hidden in there (TopShelf).
So, what is RY4? This is something that has been plaguing billherbst (why do I always pronounce his name "bill herb street") since he started this thread. There are as many posts about what an RY4 is, than there are reviews.
I am sure that same question could be raised about 555. Why is there no Really Big 555 Roundup? Any volunteers?
I guess I just need to order some Twisted Toffee and decide for myself. But until that happens, I will remain neutral. So the score is still one to one.
Yes i hve tried it and its exactly like its name toasted toffee to me.....the reason i said wanttovape that can from the same post as the person who said toasted toffee was just as good as a RY4 ....lasttango
Okay, I ordered some Jane's Toasted Toffee and got it in the mail today. This is not what I was expecting! It has a nutty smell, but it has a minty taste to it! 
I cannot do mint or menthol....
Has anyone else that has tried this juice noticed mint or menthol in their Toasted Toffee?
TIA
I cannot do mint or menthol.... Has anyone else that has tried this juice noticed mint or menthol in their Toasted Toffee?
TIA
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