Adding another RY4 review to the already very long list. I was given a 10ml sample of Black Label RY4 (70VG/30PG 18mg) from SpringVapor when I purchased my Boge Lea. After trying a couple of different tobacco flavored refills and disposables that were horrible, I wasn't even going to give another "tobacco" flavor a try. But after sitting down and talking to Nik for a while about his juices, I decided to give it a shot...it didn't help that he was vaping it the whole time and smelled great. I am SO glad that I decided to try it!! It is a very smooth blend with great caramel and vanilla flavors. The tobacco flavor is not very strong, but it is strong enough that you can taste it. After going through the sample bottle fairly quickly, I picked up a bigger bottle of 50/50 36mg. I have to say that I like the higher VG blend better...it is a little sweeter and the flavors are more pronounced, but the 50/50 is great also. This has become my daily vape, and I highly recommend it!!
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Well you know I had high hopes, I really just dont know what it is with some of the RY4s that turn me away, If its not the strong sour which are just in a few to me, I really think its the tobacco they use there must be a certain kind I just do not like. I think thats why I really like stuff like KBV RY4, LX Taboo and more than likely Vermillion Rivers new RY4, it just does not have that funny taste to me others have. Bill if if you can chime in on this maybe you know what I am talking about. The tobacco plays a important roll in all RY4s which doesnt seemed to be touched on... Anyways I finely got some Taboo from Liquidxpress..very happy with it someone stated it taste like RAF ..I did taste some of the same but RAF (had) sorry to say, that Alien signature taste to it that sets it apart, plus Liquidexpress only carries 9mg in the PG and it made me cough my head off which stinks for me there is no 9mg VG Taboo or where there be at the moment.
Ok looks like I just found out there is a Taboo Flavoring...
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Couldn't agree more. This is very often ignored by us, the buyers, and I've no idea why. We seem to be so focused on the ratios and occasional extras that the nature of the familiar stuff gets forgotten, perhaps because it's usually something that's out of our control. Now wouldn't it be awesome if a vendor had RY4 listed, and instead of just things like "extra shot of flavor" there were also drop-down menus allowing us to choose which tobacco was used, and which caramel & vanilla? Personally, I think I'd lean towards a natural tobacco extract instead of the usual chemical flavoring, and one derived from something along the lines of a stronger, cleaner flavor (Winston Select, not Pall Mall, for example). Maybe a finely-ground vanilla bean powder would work better than simple over-the-counter extract? I dunno, but I like the idea of being able to try, anyway.
Ok looks like I just found out there is a Taboo Flavoring...
Ah yes, Taboo flavoring from LiquidXpress. This brings up an old cautionary aha! for me, which may be worth sharing, if only for passerbyeus. Here's the information from the top of the Eliquid Flavorings page on the LXP web site:
Please note, there is a difference in these flavors and in Lorann type oil concentrates. This IS NOT as powerful as the oils. The reason for this is they are not a thick lorann's oil based. They are the waterish based flavor concentrates that our factories use to produce the flavors we normally get in our eliquids. These are really for bringing down a nic strength without losing the flavor that is normal from cutting with just straight PG or VG. This means that unlike lorann's you'll need more than a drop or two for your flavoring when mixing it down yourself. All flavorings are made without Nicotine. These are mainly to be used to cut down the nic content in premixed bottles without losing taste. Warning: these will not recreate the flavor of a premixed for DIY purposes.
OK, so LiquidXpress is graciously informing potential buyers that these flavorings are not concentrates, and that their intended use is to reduce the nic content of existing liquids (presumably their namesakes) without losing flavor. Then at the end is a warning that these will not recreate the flavor of the premixed version if DIY'd.
In terms of flavor intensity, these "flavor liquids" are essentially "doublers" (like Tasty Vapor sells), meaning that they have a 1:1 correspondence in flavor intensity with their namesake premixed nicquid. If you try to DIY a bottle of Taboo "facsimile" by adding liquid nic to the flavoring, you'll be disappointed. Why? Loss of flavor through Dilution.
To make a 30ml bottle of DIY Taboo at 18mg nic strength using 36mg/ml nic liquid, you'll need 15mls of nic liquid to achieve that strength. That's diluting the flavor by half. HALF!. Yuk. That's like kissing your sister, to use the old phrase. Even if you use the highest available concentration of nic liquid---100mg/ml (which most DIY-at-home folks don't use because it's so expensive and dangerous if spilled on skin)---you'd still need 5.4mls of nic liquid combined with 24.6mls, which is 20% dilution (not good), on top of which you didn't save any money, because the "flavoring" is the same cost per ml as the premix version.
Passerbyeus: This is not DIY flavoring, which is exactly what LiquidXpress is telling us in their disclaimer.
WARNING: 5.4mls of 100% nicotine in a 30ml will NOT give you 18mg. 18mg is 1.8% nicotine.
bill was doing 100mg (10%) nic, not 100% nic. Be careful when you mix.
bill was doing 100mg (10%) nic, not 100% nic. Be careful when you mix.
Bill after many pms to the vendor and undertsanding I figured that out after I already made the order, I did not read the fine print because I was just plain happy lol....anyways they do not offer low nic that I use so to get what I want i have to spend more money and time so is it worth it Taboo is good but really not worth the trouble, so I will be up a, not really, but kinda of ,please read the fine print, bottle of Taboo flavoring. 
Bill after many pms to the vendor and undertsanding I figured that out after I already made the order, I did not read the fine print because I was just plain happy lol....anyways they do not offer low nic that I use so to get what I want i have to spend more money and time so is it worth it Taboo is good but really not worth the trouble, so I will be up a, not really, but kinda of ,please read the fine print, bottle of Taboo flavoring.
passerbyeus,
I understand. I noticed that LiquidXpress offered only 18mg and 24mg in their PG version of Taboo, although the VG version also had 9mg. If you're vaping, say, 12mg, the Taboo flavoring may work OK. Only minor dilution at that level, if you're adding 60mg/ml liquid nic. Lower concentrations of liquid nic increase the dilution factor substantially, however. Even 36mg/ml nic to make a 12mg mix dilutes the flavor by 33%. If you're vaping only 6mg, though, you might not even notice the 16% dilution.
As to whether Taboo is worth the trouble---maybe, maybe not. I just grabbed the Taboo carto from my RY4 ammo box and took a couple hits to remind myself. In the older "club" of classic RY4s from American vendors (including Taboo, VaporTalk Dulcis, Bloog/Volt RY4, ElixirLiquid RY4, and Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice), all of which are very similar, my favorite has always been Dulcis---which is manufactured in China, or so I am told. Taboo is an OK acquaintance, but we're not really close friends.
I spent some time this morning revisiting a bunch of the 50 RY4s that sit on my desk loaded into cartos, all of which have been reviewed on this thread. The comments below aren’t really “follow-up reviews,” per se, but just short blurbs of my personal reactions, contrasting how I felt about each RY4 at the time of my initial review versus how I feel about it now. I’m “grading” these (A to F like we’re in elementary school, because that’s quick ‘n easy, and everybody gets it. As always, these are just my personal opinions, and the law of subjectivity applies. YMMV.
AlienVisions Raf-a-licious---liked it a lot then, like it a lot now. A-.
AltCig RY4---good then, pretty good now; something about the nuttiness is slightly off for me. Maybe it’s hazelnut, which is a nut flavor I’m not hugely fond of. B.
BackwoodsBrew RY4---way back when (15 months ago, early in my vaping journey), BWB was my favorite RY4, but I gradually fell out of love with it. Now it seems merely above average, but slightly odd. B-.
Bloog/SmokelessImageVolt RY4---classic Chinese. Bright and punchy. Great then, still great now. A.
CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco---didn’t think much of it at first, still don’t. D.
CrystalELiquid RY4---liked it a whole lot then, love it now. My current favorite American-made classic RY4. A+
ECBlend RY4---good then, good now. B. (I don’t like the ECBlend RY4 versions with double extra flavor caramel or vanilla. Extra flavor is OK, but 2X is too much. D+.)
EliteVaporworks RY4---didn’t like it much then, don’t like it much now. Not my cup of tea. C-.
ElixirLiquid RY4---good then, good now. Another in the small club of American-made classic RY4s. B+.
Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice---good then, good now. Another in the small club of American-made classic RY4s. B+. (Didn’t I write that a just moment ago?)
GoodEJuice RY4---pretty good then, a little bit better now, from a B- to a B.
GoodEJuice GJ4---loved it then, love it now. Fantastic natural tobacco extract custom RY4. Yum! A++.
GoodProphets GP4---good then, good now. Strong tobacco, but very smooth. B+.
Keemer RY3 from GoodProphets--- good then, pretty good now, from a B to a B-.
Keemer RY4 from GoodProphets---pretty good then, good now, from a B- to a B.
GourmetVapor RY4---average then, average now. Straight C all the way.
Greenhouse One RY4---disappointing then, meh now. C-.
Dekang RY4 from HealthCabin---Fantastic then, very good now. From A to B+.
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4---amazing at first, but headed downhill for me ever since. From A to B-. (In my opinion, chocolate/cocoa doesn’t belong in RY4. Classy vendor, though.)
Enough for now. I’ll do another 20 later.
AlienVisions Raf-a-licious---liked it a lot then, like it a lot now. A-.
AltCig RY4---good then, pretty good now; something about the nuttiness is slightly off for me. Maybe it’s hazelnut, which is a nut flavor I’m not hugely fond of. B.
BackwoodsBrew RY4---way back when (15 months ago, early in my vaping journey), BWB was my favorite RY4, but I gradually fell out of love with it. Now it seems merely above average, but slightly odd. B-.
Bloog/SmokelessImageVolt RY4---classic Chinese. Bright and punchy. Great then, still great now. A.
CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco---didn’t think much of it at first, still don’t. D.
CrystalELiquid RY4---liked it a whole lot then, love it now. My current favorite American-made classic RY4. A+
ECBlend RY4---good then, good now. B. (I don’t like the ECBlend RY4 versions with double extra flavor caramel or vanilla. Extra flavor is OK, but 2X is too much. D+.)
EliteVaporworks RY4---didn’t like it much then, don’t like it much now. Not my cup of tea. C-.
ElixirLiquid RY4---good then, good now. Another in the small club of American-made classic RY4s. B+.
Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice---good then, good now. Another in the small club of American-made classic RY4s. B+. (Didn’t I write that a just moment ago?)
GoodEJuice RY4---pretty good then, a little bit better now, from a B- to a B.
GoodEJuice GJ4---loved it then, love it now. Fantastic natural tobacco extract custom RY4. Yum! A++.
GoodProphets GP4---good then, good now. Strong tobacco, but very smooth. B+.
Keemer RY3 from GoodProphets--- good then, pretty good now, from a B to a B-.
Keemer RY4 from GoodProphets---pretty good then, good now, from a B- to a B.
GourmetVapor RY4---average then, average now. Straight C all the way.
Greenhouse One RY4---disappointing then, meh now. C-.
Dekang RY4 from HealthCabin---Fantastic then, very good now. From A to B+.
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4---amazing at first, but headed downhill for me ever since. From A to B-. (In my opinion, chocolate/cocoa doesn’t belong in RY4. Classy vendor, though.)
Enough for now. I’ll do another 20 later.
Seems like most of the ry4's I've tried are a bit too sweet sometimes. Then again, most juices in general taste sweet to me after a while. I'm really looking for an ry4 with a smokey tobacco up front that finishes more creamy/smooth rather than sweet. Any suggestions? I've only tried Ecblend, BWB, Volt, and I have IKV pg and vg on the way. I know these 3 aren't ry4 but I also have The Vapor Station's Phoenix, Tennessee, and Tampa arriving soon. I've read that people really like TVS tobacco bases.
Hey, I love the grading system! I noticed that you stated the RY4s were in cartos and I had a question about GJ4. I have read some rumblings that the natural extract liquids are problematic to cartos because of the sediment. I have no idea as to whether any of this is true or false. I am not an atty person (as of now) so if in fact natural extract reeks havoc on cartos then I will pause. However, I am interested in your experiences with these and if you have not had problems. Also, how long of a life span do you get with your cartos with natural extracts and/or what do you do to get a quality vape?
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spiral out,
Try RYO4 from Mom&PopVaporShop's. Made with Tobacco Extract, a natural extract related to (derived from?) Tobacco Absolute, RYO4 is hardcore tobacco flavor first, with caramel and vanilla added almost as an afterthought. You may or may not like it, but it's definitely not too sweet.
For me, Frisco is the pick of the litter from VaporStation's tobacco juices, but Phoenix, Tennessee, and Tampa are very good, too,in my opinion. I have those four and six other VaporStation offerings in my stash. VS4 is a worthy contender in the RY4 sweepstakes.
Mr.Mann,
Yes, I've read many, many of those posts, and tobacco blend juices made with natural tobacco extract flavorings do contain particulates that remain as residue in the batting of a carto (or in the reservoir, if the carto doesn't use polyfill). Over time, these residues can accumulate and eventually clog the carto.
But so what? Cartos are cheap. In my experience (and I vape a lot of juices with natural extracts), the accumulation of particulate residue is gradual. In a clear (see-through) dual coil or resurrector, I can observe the slow accumulation as a darker color that starts at the connector end and "grows" toward the middle of the carto over time. If the visual appearance (of the "crud" at the bottom) starts to bother me, I'll wash out the carto under a strong stream of hot running water for 1-2 minutes, then blow out the water and refill the "renewed" carto with fresh liquid and start over. If the draw gets tight, I've learned that cleaning doesn't restore the proper draw, so I just pitch the carto into the trash.
What surprises me is that people post about their cartos getting clogged with tight draws in a week or even a couple days. What? A week? Two days??? Yikes. If these folks are telling the truth (and I have no reason to assume that they're not), then no wonder they call natural tobacco extract juices "carto-killers." That's not my experience, however. Not even close.
For me, the whole process of particulate residue accumulation takes months, and even then a quick three-minute wash-n-rinse effectively renews the carto for another round. Tightened draws are even more random and actually quite rare. I have lots of cartos that are still going strong after six or even nine months. And a tightened draw can happen eventually with almost any juice, not just a tobacco-extract-base. I take that as a signal that the carto has come to the end of its useful life span. Admittedly, I'm not a single juice, all-day-vape kind of guy, so I don't vape the same carto all day long.
Bottom line for me is that "carto clogging" is real, but not a major irritant or serious inconvenience. On my aggravation-hassle radar screen, it hardly registers, and the only then as an occasional blip.
My main gripe is about cartos flooding in tanks, but that's a topic for another post...
Speaking of Vapor station.......So I may say Heather's Heavenly Vapes is growing on me and I figured out what is different with this juice its not the tobacco but the Nut flavor in it. Its really really strong and Im actually liking it because its different from other RY4s I have because of that overpower nut tone it has. I dont think I still will buy another bottle because I will keep my nuts to Vapor Station Frisco 
and I heard another new version of this RY4 is in the works.
and I heard another new version of this RY4 is in the works.
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Yesterday I got a juice order in the mail from VermillionRiver. I know, Im supposed to be on a juice-buying fast, but I break that rule every so often to re-stock my stable of daily vapes or try the occasional must-have new juice from one of my favorite vendors, such as VR or NLV. In the order was a free 3ml sample of VermillionRivers brand-new take on RY4, called VR4 on the bottle (I would personally lobby for the name KY4 to distinguish it from VapeRites VR4, but apparently that name was too close to another product use somewhat south of the lungs...).
Have I tried it yet? Of course. I try most every juice fresh out of the mail. Will I review it today? No, Ill let it steep at least a week, maybe two.
Off-topic, but related:
In my Vermillion order was a 15ml bottle of Kentucky Blend No. 7, which is sort of Kentucky Premium meets Jack Daniels. Interesting blend. Killer? Nope, not for me. But interesting.
Also off-topic, but probably universal:
I also ordered two bottles of Kentucky Vanilla. Why two? Oh my, thats a sad (meaning pathetic) story, which Ill try to keep brief. Over the past six months, Ive done various DIY experiments to see if I could replicate Kentucky Premium and Kentucky Vanilla---just to save some coin, since I vape a lot of those two juices. I decided recently to order bottles of the real thing again to confirm how close Ive come or how far Ive wandered in my DIY attempts.
So, I went to the VR site last week and put 30ml bottles of Premium and Vanilla into my cart. Then I thought, No, too extravagant. Spend less. I deleted the 30ml Vanilla from the cart and added a 15ml Vanilla. Or so I intended. I failed to notice that I had inadvertently deleted the 30ml Kentucky Premium instead of the Vanilla, so that rather than one bottle of each, I had two bottles of Kentucky Vanilla. Then---not realizing my error---I placed the order.
Another example happens on occasion when topping up two cartos with different juices, and I mix up which juice goes into which carto. Of course, I always discover my mistake after topping up the first carto with the wrong juice. Sometimes my mistake results in a tasty new blend, but most often I end up rinsing out the carto that was mis-filled.
Does anyone else make brain damage mistakes like this? I swear, I try my best to pay attention, but I seem to be more of a village-idiot dufus with each succeeding year. Sigh. Getting old ain't for sissies.
Oh well, at least I've confirmed that my DIY version of Kentucky Vanilla, while not an accurate replica of VRs original, is, in fact, close enough for horseshoes. And darned tasty. Plus, besides my DIY version, I now have enough real, authentic VermillionRiver Kentucky Vanilla to last me a very long time. LOL.
Have I tried it yet? Of course. I try most every juice fresh out of the mail. Will I review it today? No, Ill let it steep at least a week, maybe two.
Off-topic, but related:
In my Vermillion order was a 15ml bottle of Kentucky Blend No. 7, which is sort of Kentucky Premium meets Jack Daniels. Interesting blend. Killer? Nope, not for me. But interesting.
Also off-topic, but probably universal:
I also ordered two bottles of Kentucky Vanilla. Why two? Oh my, thats a sad (meaning pathetic) story, which Ill try to keep brief. Over the past six months, Ive done various DIY experiments to see if I could replicate Kentucky Premium and Kentucky Vanilla---just to save some coin, since I vape a lot of those two juices. I decided recently to order bottles of the real thing again to confirm how close Ive come or how far Ive wandered in my DIY attempts.
So, I went to the VR site last week and put 30ml bottles of Premium and Vanilla into my cart. Then I thought, No, too extravagant. Spend less. I deleted the 30ml Vanilla from the cart and added a 15ml Vanilla. Or so I intended. I failed to notice that I had inadvertently deleted the 30ml Kentucky Premium instead of the Vanilla, so that rather than one bottle of each, I had two bottles of Kentucky Vanilla. Then---not realizing my error---I placed the order.
Another example happens on occasion when topping up two cartos with different juices, and I mix up which juice goes into which carto. Of course, I always discover my mistake after topping up the first carto with the wrong juice. Sometimes my mistake results in a tasty new blend, but most often I end up rinsing out the carto that was mis-filled.
Does anyone else make brain damage mistakes like this? I swear, I try my best to pay attention, but I seem to be more of a village-idiot dufus with each succeeding year. Sigh. Getting old ain't for sissies.
Oh well, at least I've confirmed that my DIY version of Kentucky Vanilla, while not an accurate replica of VRs original, is, in fact, close enough for horseshoes. And darned tasty. Plus, besides my DIY version, I now have enough real, authentic VermillionRiver Kentucky Vanilla to last me a very long time. LOL.
How about a quick first thoughts on KY4? I don't expect a essay (yet), but I would like to know your first impressions. Promising? Not up to VR standards?
hangdude,
I'd bet dollars to donuts that VermillionRiver didn't use our suggested name (KY4) because of its resemblance to a certain other product sold as a lubricant. LOL.
Anyway, VR4: Custom, not classic. Has the signature VermillionRiver base tobacco flavor. More like another of the seemingly endless variations on Kentucky Premium than a standalone RY4.
Actually, I did try Alt-Cig RY4 in a sample! I forgot
It tastes just like Highbrow Vapor RY4 to me.
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