The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[Zombitedesade]

Time for a look at a long awaited juice (by me personally, I've only just managed to source a uk supplier for it):

Halo TriBeCa, 18mg PG base

Tested on: eGo C battery with a 1.8 LR eGo vision clearomizer. (also known as the stardust)

After finding a bunch of these 7ml bottles of this fabled juice I knew I eagerly filled up a vision and reached for a charged eGo battery.

Straight away I felt like I'd vaped this before somewhere. I instantly recognised the distinct flavourbase of this juice as being overly familiar. A sweet (though not to much) very rich buttery caramel rolls on the tongue with a merest hint of vanilla smoothly blended into a cohesive whole.

This juice is so, so buttery tasting, it melts on the tongue and lingers with 'something' else in the background. Further vapes on this curious mixture revel a sutble nutty Tobacoo. It's background stuff though and is almost completely swamped by a buttery caramel which lingers and settles on the tongue.

There's a memory of waffle or cake mix here, but to be more specific it's an un-cooked cake batter like taste. A rich and smooth sweet buttery flavour which overcomes anything else the mix might else contain save for the merest hints of vanilla and a soft tobacco liying at the back of the pallet.

It was only later after racking my brain why I knew this flavour that it suddenly dawned on me this wasn't an RY4 at all, it's actually far, far closer (actually almost identical in fact) to an RY3! To be absoulty clear, this flavour, that buttery soft tobacco mixture is exactly like the old Titan RY3 mix Totally Wicked used to do before switching suppliers.

So the you have it, what I believed to be a stand out RY4 for the longest time about this well regarded juice is in fact an Ry3! It's not actually miles away from another Ry3 ived tried in the guise of cloud9vapings RY3 reviewed many pages ago on this board.

I do like it though. The buttery sweet tobacco is the instant winner and the smoothness of it's blend does make it particularly morish. I'd happily recommend it to fans of waffle or popcorn also, the buttery caramel being the juices stand out qualities. But as an Ry4? I'd struggle to be honest, it's an Ry3 through and through! *

Anyone else feel the same here? Or have I started something deeply controversial here! Lol.

*one potential disclaimer here: I've to let this juice steep at all and this review is following my sampling the juice straight away. Should I find steeping alters the flavour significantly I'll report back.

 

[passerbyeus]

I did its good with a nice mix but it seems really really familiar meaning not to much a custom juice. I have my suspicions about that Vapor..... ......it would fall in line with the Chinese RY4s....

Did you get the Vapor ..... Our-Y4? I went ahead and ordered some this morning along with one of their tobacco flavors called #13.

 

[billherbst]

zombite,

My experience (and it's just that---only my personal experience) is that, just as precious little consistency exists across the board among RY4s, so there is also little, if any, consistency with the other numbered RYs---RY1, 2, 3, 5, 6, etc. I've vaped the "RY-series" (RY1, 2, 3, and 4) from two suppliers: Dekang and Hangsen, and I found no characteristic commonality in any of the pairs. Dekang RY1 didn't resemble Hangsen RY1, same with both RY2s, RY3s, etc. I'm not suggesting that Tribeca didn't resemble the old Titan RY3 that you remember, only that no standard exists in the lab or the marketplace against which to accurately measure similarity or difference.

If someone wants to mix up a juice and call it RY3.14159 (or "RY Pi," LOL), that's their privilege. They don't have to submit the juice to any boards of review or standards & practices committees. All they have to do is slap a label on a bottle and sell the stuff.

Does this mean that the tobacco-caramel-vanilla trio is bogus? No, I think those three work pretty well as a general guideline for core RY flavors. But they're definitely not the Holy Trinity. Heck, just saying "tobacco-caramel-vanilla" doesn't even begin to account for the nearly endless variations in taste and combined effect of the many individual flavorings available in each of those categories, nor does it imply anything about mix ratios or bases, or the modifying effects of various nic percentages or even different source brands of liquid nicotine. And then what about all the other flavors that can be (and are) added to an RY? No, the basic trio is just a starting point.

Please understand, I'm not ragging on you or your review(s). As always, your Tribeca review is a pleasure to read. You write well, your palate is sophisticated and perceptive, and I'm always glad whenever you choose to grace this thread. But as is true with my own reviews (and, I think, all juice reviews), we're essentially sharing little diaries of our personal experience.

Vaping is a little like Quantum Physics. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies. Whatever we think we know for sure inevitably leaves a great deal still unknown.

Again, great review!

 

[thehangdude]

They don't have to submit the juice to any boards of review or standards & practices committees.

Unless the call it RY4. Then they have to contend with this thread!

 

[billherbst]

Unless they call it RY4. Then they have to contend with this thread!

Yeah, we're the RY4 Vigilante Posse!!! LOLOL.

 

[EleanorR]

Unless the call it RY4. Then they have to contend with this thread!

Yeah, we're the RY4 Vigilante Posse!!! LOLOL.

I think of y'all more as The Ministry of RY4-ness.

 

[Flying W]

Amen
Thanks for the RYFormation
I just thought I knew what RY4 was
untill I read the Round up !

 

[Starlight682]

hi just wondering if anyone knows of an ry4 that is similar to ikenvapes ry4, their site is down and i need my ry4
thanks

 

[passerbyeus]

Dekang- Tab should be the juice your looking for.

hi just wondering if anyone knows of an ry4 that is similar to ikenvapes ry4, their site is down and i need my ry4
thanks

 

[sandybeach]

Sandy,

If you have the basic diy ingredients---PG and/or VG, and liquid nicotine---then simple juices are relatively straightforward. Single-flavor fruits can work well even for a novice. Strawberry, apple, peach, banana, etc. And vanilla is a safe, reliable addition to most diy juices. The downside to that is to use flavorings that you really like. To give just one example among many, strawberry flavorings are all over the map---many are artificial-tasting or candy-like. I had to amass a whole bunch of different strawberry flavor concentrates to find the ones that nail the flavor of real, natural strawberry with just the right blend of tart and sweet.

Starting out in diy, less is more. Simpler is better. More complex juices are much more difficult for beginning diy'ers. A juice you hate and won't vape is not cheap no matter how inexpensive the ingredients were. Tobacco blends can be tricky (although I've had great success using Tobacco Extract, which is a natural tobacco flavoring that I like a lot). Multi-flavor dessert recipes can also be challenging to get right.

What's great about TPA RY4 Asian concentrate is that it works nicely as a single-flavoring diy juice. You don't need to add any other flavorings to get a tasty and vapeable RY4 with a classic RY4 flavor profile.The same is true of TPA RY4 Double if you prefer a custom RY4. The only decisions that need to be made are what percentage of flavoring to use (20% is typical with most flavorings), what nic concentration you want, and the final base ratio of PG/VG (which is figured out using fairly simple math or one of the stand-alone diy software calculators if you're math-challenged).

I'm well past the novice stage of diy, but I still try to keep it simple. I tend to leave the amazing flavor combinations and extraordinarily subtle juice recipes to the retail artisan juice-makers. Still, about 1/4 of the juices I vape nowadays are diy.

Thanks for the mini tutorial, Bill. I don't know if I would like TPA RY4; So far the only RY4s I really like are Dekang and Kick Bass. There is a place nearby that is a flavorings and fragrances lab. Welcome to Bell Flavors & Fragrances If I got into this, I could see what they have. Years ago I had a job where I took care of their atrium plants. The head chemist would always give me little bottles of perfumes to try

 

[passerbyeus]

So being the picky one I will have to admit that Vapor..... OuR-Y4 is growing on me, after waking up next to Vapor..... and giving it another fill, I find it very pleasurable. Its not as sweet as I like but in return I get some spiciness under the cover and just as Bill stated this OuR-Y4 sure likes to move.

 

[revolver]

1. Passerbyeus: I'm liking your new signature pic; a lot. RY4 Seeker. Cooooool !!!

2. Bill: Maybe it's time to take this thread to the next level and have your RY4 blog... Bill !? I had a dream about your RY4 blog, and thought... Why not?

 

[billherbst]

Thanks for the mini tutorial, Bill. I don't know if I would like TPA RY4; So far the only RY4s I really like are Dekang and Kick Bass. There is a place nearby that is a flavorings and fragrances lab. Welcome to Bell Flavors & Fragrances If I got into this, I could see what they have. Years ago I had a job where I took care of their atrium plants. The head chemist would always give me little bottles of perfumes to try

sandy,

Well, the two RY4s you mentioned---Dekang and KickBass---are certainly keepers and high on my personal list of best RY4s. If you vaped no other RY4s but those two, you'd still be way ahead of the game. I doubt that you'd miss diy, although it is a lot of fun. Besides getting my nic fix and staying off analogs (hopefully forever, so far so good...), my main goal with vaping is more fun.

Did you fall out of love with Mad4? Or does it not quite qualify for you as a bonafide RY4? I just placed a small hardware parts order with Madvapes, so I added a 5ml bottle of Mad4. I still have my doubts about any TopVapor juice tasting good to me, but what the heck, it was only a couple bucks.

 

[billherbst]

Bill: Maybe it's time to take this thread to the next level and have your RY4 blog... Bill !? I had a dream about your RY4 blog, and thought... Why not?

That's a very reasonable thought. If I wanted to take on more responsibility (not to mention additional time and effort), I'd start a blog in a heartbeat. That is, if writing about vaping helped to pay my rent, but it doesn't, which is OK, by the way. Unlike people such as Grimm Green or Dr. Vapenstein, who are younger and more vital and/or ambitious (not to mention photogenic), I'm an old fogey with substantially diminished ambition and quite unlikely to become a vaping entrepreneur. I post on ECF for two main reasons: I love vaping, and---at the age of 62 with dicey physical health---my "real" career is only part-time now, so I have some time on my hands.

As a result, I'm headed in the opposite direction. I want less responsibility and hope for more co-creation by our various esteemed colleagues on this thread. Some folks here who post frequently (and probably some who don't post much or at all) are as qualified as I am to write about RY4s or anything else in this vaping hobby/obsession of ours.

The "next level" for me is probably retirement from posting at all, although I haven't felt like doing that yet. LOL.

I know very well that my wordy style is not for everyone, but I felt there was a niche for it on ECF, and I'm pleased as punch that so many people enjoy this thread. Thanks for your vote of confidence.

 

[passerbyeus]

hmmm Bill you are fine right here ..... this is your calling your destiny.... the RY4....CEO, arbiter, aristocrat, bible, big cheese, big shot, big wig, boss, brains, brass, buff*, city hall, connoisseur, czar, egghead, establishment*, exec, executive, expert, feds, front office, governor, guru, ivory dome, judge, kingfish, kingpin, law*, power elite, pro, professional , professor, pundit, scholar, specialist, textbook, top brass, top dog, top hand, upstairs, veteran, virtuoso, whiz, wizard ............. and the person who started this thread



BTW found a new one http://www.ecigexpress.com/manager-s-specials-c-86/my4-tobacco-e-liquid-new-edition-p-1254

 

[FaniFox]

BTW found a new one http://www.ecigexpress.com/manager-s-specials-c-86/my4-tobacco-e-liquid-new-edition-p-1254

Hey, I have already tried that one!! I even left a comment for it...where it is? Oh, right here:
"A very good RY4, blended, not too sweet. It has great vapor production and a good after taste. And at a super price, too!"

 

[billherbst]

Bill, I know Bobas Bounty is not a RY4 but have a request to hear your ideas about it.

Passer,

I ordered my first smallish (12ml) bottle of Boba's about a year ago. I liked it, sort of, but didn't love it. Since then, Boba's has made a slow but steady march into my heart. Back in December, I ordered my sixth bottle---after 12mls or 18mls for the first five orders, I finally popped for a 30ml bottle during an AVE sale. Like most Boba's fans, I couldn't begin to accurately describe the flavor. It's another mystery juice, although I've read that Boba's creator at AVE says that it's really very simple.

I don't like Boba's in cartos---they seem to me to mute the flavor a bit. That's odd, because generally I love cartos, just not with Boba's. I much prefer it atty-dripped. Only problem with that is that atty-dripping is a pain in the you-know-what. So, I always keep Boba's in bottom-feeders, namely my two wooden Phids (which I power with the lime-green 5V nimh batteries, same as all my other 18650 mods---3.7V doesn't really cut it for me anymore). Anyway, I use 2.4 ohm 306 atties on my bottom-feeders. One sits on my desk, the other at my bedside upstairs. I don't vape Boba's as frequently as some of my daily juices, but when I do reach for it, I tend to vape it longer, maybe half an hour non-stop.

RY4s are fascinating in part because so many of them exist as variations on a theme. Boba's is special for exactly the opposite reason. It's unique. I daresay no other juice I've ever vaped reminds me of Boba's.

 

[billherbst]

Hey, I have already tried that one!! I even left a comment for it...where it is? Oh, right here:
"A very good RY4, blended, not too sweet. It has great vapor production and a good after taste. And at a super price, too!"

Fani,

I reviewed My4 from EcigExpress here awhile back, in post #1222.

 

[sandybeach]

Bill,
I still like Mad4; I didn't fall out of love with it, but I think the infatuation period morphed into more of a respect and enjoyment of each other if that makes any sense. It isn't a real RY4 to me, just like Renegade. I love to vape Renegade, but if I was going to call a NLV juice an RY4, I might choose Twilite, Litehouse, or Line Rider.
Sandybeachygirl (someone in a forum called me that, and I like it!)

 

[FaniFox]

Fani,
I reviewed My4 from EcigExpress here awhile back, in post #1222.

Yes. dear, I know!
I am just glad I have tried one more and I can talk about it... Hope you don't mind