The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[sandybeach]

Sandy,

Yeah, the ebb and flow thing. Tides in, tides out. High and low. I go through that, not just with RY4s, but with every juice I vape. While I can think of oodles of juices that I never liked and apparently never will, that kind of negative consistency isn't present with juices I like, even my favorites. I can't think of a single juice that I like/love/crave/enjoy every day for more than about four months at a stretch. Then I have go on hiatus from it for some months, banishing it to the hinterlands of my juice stash. It's the obverse of the old country-western song, "How Can I Miss You if You Won't Go Away?"

Zackly! Same with my life

 

[Jim Bob]

Bill:

Per your post on DIY RY4 I ordered some TPA "RY4 Double" and have to say even without steeping I am impressed! Thanks!!! To attempt to "return the favor" as it were: I also ordered some "Ry4 Asian" at the same time (along with some Chocolate just because LOL) well I'm pretty impressed with both PA RY4 flavorings ! It is very similar IMO (to MY Palate at least) to ECBlends RY4 so for those who want to "dabble in DIY RY4 " as I do, these two RY4 flavorings just might be worth trying in a smaller size ( I tried 15ml and plan to order bigger soon FWIW)

I am at the moment thinking my constant buying of pre-mixed RY4 may be on "hold" for awhile as I "tweek " my DIY RY4 (there is a great amount of pleasure to me in getting a good joose that I made) YMMV as always

 

[billherbst]

Jim Bob,

I agree that both Double and Asian are among the best all-in-one RY4 flavorings available (although I always use both with a separate tobacco base, since I like stronger tobacco). TPA took awhile, but they (she) finally got it right!

I also feel that Decadent Vapours DV4 flavoring is at the head of the pack, along with Asian and Double.

RY4 lends itself so nicely to the DIY playground. For a sort-of-competent DIYer like I've become, messin' around with RY4s is about as much fun as I can have without laughing out loud.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Do some care to share their mixing formulas for TPA "RY4 Double"?

 

[Jim Bob]

Bill for "another tobacco base" are you using TA or something totally different? TIA

Do some care to share their mixing formulas for TPA "RY4 Double"?

I started with about 22% flavor (VERY good IMO)- ended with 24% nicotine, 80PG and 20 VG (roughly) MY RTS NIC is PG based FWIW

I arrived at my "starting point of 22% " by my take on what Bill had stated (between 20-30% for most folks) I figure you can always add more much easier than removing flavoring and dilution isn't always "easy" or successful IMO; I'm quite surprised at how good it really is (both jooses) I even made some "Asian with Chocolate" that I have not tasted (figure best to let that steep though it smells SO good I am not sure I was correct OR I will let it steep/age for long LOL) 22% __+ 20% chocolate flavoring TPA

 

[Katdarling]

Hello Bill and RY4 adorers,

Just a quick hello and to let you know I'm still following your thread and still enjoying it... immensely.

I was motivated to pull out my little sample bottle of MOV RY4, which I did not care for at the onset. It's been several weeks now, so I thought, hey, let's give it a go.

Ok, from the best of the non-reviewers, I absolutely get the aroma and taste of Indian food! Not a bad vape, but different is a tad understating it.

I was also fortunate to be able to pick up a bit of Janty's RY4. Me love it long time. If this is truly close to the long-lost infinitely loved original RY4, then I can see what the hullabaloo was all about. Tasty.

Interesting to me that IKV now has two RY4s after our discussion on that. I still have not tried his RY4 Gold, but am vaping the RY4 on a daily basis, as I have for a year now. Yum.

Altho... MMMV.

 

[billherbst]

Do some care to share their mixing formulas for TPA "RY4 Double"?

Cool,

With most TPA flavorings, I start mixing small quantities of juice using 10% flavoring and up the percentage from there based on taste testing. Used by itself without additional flavorings, RY4 Double could be made in the range of 5-30% concentration, depending on your palate and flavor intensity preferences.

 

[billherbst]

I was also fortunate to be able to pick up a bit of Janty's RY4. Me love it long time. If this is truly close to the long-lost infinitely loved original RY4, then I can see what the hullabaloo was all about.

Kat,

You've touched on one of the remaining unsolved mysteries in the history of RY4. What we now know with near locked-down certainty is that Janty was and remains even today the original RY4, created ad hoc one afternoon in 2007 by Ludo (one of Janty's owners) and a Dekang flavor chemist. We assume (correctly, I believe) that Dekang began producing RY4 for Janty, then subsequently modified the original Janty formula to make and market RY4 under their own Dekang label, and quite possibly altered that recipe more than once. What we don't know is how far the mythic "lost" Dekang recipe of 2009 was from the 2007 Janty original. Descriptions of the lost Dekang flavor from people who loved that juice and were horrified when it vanished aren't always consistent and are even contradictory on occasion, but---based on what I've read---my conclusion is that the two flavor profiles were substantially different within the RY4 spectrum. Confusion arises from people referring to the lost Dekang formula as the "original" RY4, which it wasn't.

Interesting to me that IKV now has two RY4s after our discussion on that. I still have not tried his RY4 Gold, but am vaping the RY4 on a daily basis, as I have for a year now.

OK, now you're really confusing me. IKV RY4 Gold was the first one from Isaac, and the only version he had for sale for quite awhile. Recently, Ikenvape began selling a second, sweeter version named just RY4. And yet, you write that you've been vaping that new version "for a year now." Something's screwy. Hope it's not me.

 

[andel11]

billherbst

Isaac has always sold the sweeter version from the beginning. Its what I ordered when he first start to sell his RY4. I do believe he brought the RY4 Gold around the second sell.
Talking about Janty RY4 its one of my fav, I did try their RY4X but really couldn't get into it, for some reason it felt like the flavor had been diluated.

 

[billherbst]

Isaac has always sold the sweeter version from the beginning. Its what I ordered when he first start to sell his RY4. I do believe he brought the RY4 Gold around the second sell.

Shoot, I don't know who's right and who's full of it.

Here's a direct quote from Isaac himself in a post he left on the IKV Store Update thread on June 3rd, 2012:

"A batch of Ry4 came in and it's RY4 Gold baby! So for those who
enjoy the sweetened steeped version look for Ry4, for those
who love our original revival recipe, look out for the RY4 GOLD"
​

Maybe I'm misinterpreting somehow, but don't the words "original revival recipe" imply that RY4 Gold came first?

When I bought my first of my two bottles of RY4 Gold in May, 2011, I'm as sure as I can be that there were no other juices for sale on the Ikenvape site. Just RY4 Gold, in either mostly-PG or mostly-VG versions. The PG was out of stock, so I bought a 20ml bottle of VG. Later that month, I bought 30mls of the mostly-PG RY4 Gold. The label on that bottle says: RY4---not RY4 Gold. But I know it's Gold, because that's what I ordered, that's what the Invoice said, and it tastes almost identical to my VG Gold. My point here is that what's printed on the bottle doesn't necessarily indicate which version of RY4 you have.

Maybe you're right, andel. Maybe IKV RY4 was sold before IKV RY4 Gold. But all I can do is quote what Isaac wrote and share my own experience.

 

[ogredog]

Tried a beta flavor from diy flavorshack. Ry8. Pretty good.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...avorshack-shacks-ry8-eliquid.html#post6426842

 

[Jim Bob]

Bill I am liking the idea of mixing a tobacco base with Double and/or Asian, what TPA (or whatever) "smokey tobacco" do you use/recommend? Maybe a strong flavored or honey type? IDK LOL

 

[billherbst]

Bill I am liking the idea of mixing a tobacco base with Double and/or Asian, what TPA (or whatever) "smokey tobacco" do you use/recommend? Maybe a strong flavored or honey type? IDK LOL

JB,

The sky's the limit. To get more tobacco into the flavor profile, you can try combining Double or Asian with anything you've got lying around, from a diy tobacco flavor concentrate to some of a premix tobacco blend juice.

I make a diy version of Mom&PopVaporShop's RYO4 by adding some Tobacco Extract---a derivative of Tobacco Absolute that I like a lot--- to a batch of Double or Asian RY4. Gotta be careful with that one, though, since it's uber-concentrated. Don't add too much, just a drop or two at a time before taste-testing. I like that combo because it's rough and raw tobacco with a real punch.

Would a sweeter, honey-laced tobacco concentrate work? Well, sure, why not?

At the other end of the scale, I intend to whip up small samples of "Smooth RY4" by doing the same process with Asian or Double using each of my two current favorite pre-mix tobacco juices: Aroma Turkish Blend (without WTA) and MrVapes Special Blend Tobacco, both of which are smooth, rich, and creamy by themselves and should make a very sophisticated RY4. Well, we'll see, anyway...

You could even use another pre-mix RY4 as the additive to Asian/Double. I probably wouldn't use any of my favorite RY4s to do that---they're lovely on their own, so why mess with a good thing?---but I have enough suspect or so-so RY4s in my stash to choke a horse, and they're just languishing in the juice dungeon, so why not donate some of their contents to a mad scientist?

Finally, of course, there's no law that restricts us to only tobacco flavors. Just to give a random example, Capellas' Cinnamon Danish flavoring or Decadent Vapours' French Apple Tart concentrate could be added to a batch of Asian or Double to create wildly custom RY4s. Coffee flavorings are another candidate. Combinations such as those might turn out delicious or dreadful (can't know in advance, which is the pragmatic reason to mix very small batches to start), but that's part of the fun of DIY. Anything goes!

If you do ten experiments to build a better RY4 and end up with only a single halfway decent result, while nine others were terrible and had to be poured down the sink, that's OK. No harm, no foul. The only thing you lose is a little time and whatever money was spent on ingredients---which is usually less than I would have wasted on many of the hundreds of pre-mix juices I buy but don't like. LOL.

 

[Roxxette]

if i want to start DIY but only interested in doing 0nic what do i need to buy ???

 

[Jim Bob]

For 0 Nic you just need flavoring concentrate in whatever you want to make (e.g. RY4 or...) and some PG/VG or either alone will work .

 

[Jim Bob]

Thank you Bill you have certainly given me some nice ideas!

I mixed a couple small batches < 10ml of both Double and Asian so this won't steep , made it strong (IMO @ 22%) but am really liking it second day now it's mostly what I've vaped (so it won't last long LOL) think I'll mix another batch to get a few days steeping time in LOL (though I do have some with a bit of TPA chocolate that smells awesome that is begging for a taste test LOL)

Again Thank you!

 

[billherbst]

Jim Bob,

Yes! Both TPA flavorings are really quite tasty, and playing with the mixes is definitely fun! Good luck in your mad scientist lab, and by all means please share your results with us---good, bad, or weird.

 

[andel11]

In regards to this statement:

"A batch of Ry4 came in and it's RY4 Gold baby! So for those who
enjoy the sweetened steeped version look for Ry4, for those
who love our original revival recipe, look out for the RY4 GOLD"

Maybe I'm misinterpreting somehow, but don't the words "original revival recipe" imply that RY4 Gold came first?

Billherbst
You are so funny. If I remember and don't quote me because I was one of the many first who bought Isaac juice when he lauched it. I think there were some feedback regarding the first production that it was too sweet or something to that effect. I pretty sure the 2nd time it went on sale there were 2 versions or that something was done to one of them to fix the flavor of the juice. I don't know, would have to go back and ask Isaac that question but the one I got his Preview of the juice was sweet. Oh well its been so long.

Also I could be wrong as well, and what you said could be right because none of my bottles VG says Gold. I would have to look back in my archives to see if I still have the bill but you just may well be right about it.

 

[Katdarling]

Bill and Andel (hi Andel!),

The mystery persists, in my opinion. My first purchases of IKV RY4 were listed on his site as RY4 Gold. The bottles however, did not say "gold". I purchased my first bottle nearly one year ago, and subsequently purchased more (both PG and VG). ALL bottles say/said "RY4", but I know the site listed them as the "RY4 Gold".

Perhaps the newer, sweeter version is in fact listed as RY4, but the bottles say RY4 Gold on them? I don't have one, so I do not know. It is terribly confusing and you're not alone. I do believe what I have is the original revival recipe, not the sweetened steeped version. So that tells me that I have RY4 Gold... with no Gold on it.

 

[medman1234]

Wow,this is still going on?Good luck chasing that dragon.