The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[Jerms]

Wow, I thought dry just refered to a lack of sweetness, the drier a vape is the less sweet it is. That's what it means as far as wine and mixed drinks (ie a dry martini) and it's what I've meant when I refer to a vape as dry. I may have to stop using that term in that respects if it means something different with vaping.

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[Cool_Breeze]

Hi Bill,

I will think of it as a joyful pleasure should it bear fruit. While I neglected to add to my post, I thought perhaps you might have a few of those flavors and could sample with my notes in mind (and perhaps offering better descriptions than mine).

I can't answer your first two questions without qualification of the terms you have selected. I think a flavor can be strong and dry.

You've spied something that I hadn't really given any thought...Classic vs. Custom. I think that Customs can certainly be richer.

As a generalization, your group distinction seems to have merit. Bloog, Volt and RWVapors RY4s...Custom or Classic..? Are Classics necessarily dry?

 

[thehangdude]

Dryness in wines is based (somewhat) on the sugar content. The more sugar, the less dryness. Alcohol content, fruit, and other things also contribute.

For ejuices, I think there is somewhere a complex formula that can determine the dryness.

Some of the factors may be sugar, fruit, VG. These would cause less dryness.
Nicotine, tobacco, PG, TH may cause more dryness.

I think I need to do some experimenting.

I guess it is just a way to describe. Like high (treble) and low (bass) notes in ejuice.

 

[MFToms59]

For me dryness of a juice is or can be independent of Flavor intensity, PG/VG Ratio & sweetness or lack of sweetness. I had a straight Fig juice, naturally sweet but not like a candy, @ 75/25 PG/VG & 8mg. I didn't find it overly dry but somewhat to the left of W2V RY4 on Cool_breeze's chart. I a straight Tobacco NET @ 50/50 12mg, I would put dead center of the chart, mixing the Fig @70% to the Tobacco @30%, has slide the Frankenjuice just to the right of FA RY4.

I'm not experiencing any dry hits using a Carto-Tank with two punches in the Carto, but I have a sensation of a dry spot on the back of my throat & tongue. I don't find it irritating or the sensation itself annoying, it's closer to an unusual experience.

While it might not describe what Cool_Breeze means by dryness, that was my first thought after reading his post on dryness.

 

[passerbyeus]

I know we have talked about maple being in some RY4s, I have been playing around with waffels from TFA if the maple was toned down with a litle more sour, I swear at times t reminds me so close of Janty DK, and othe classic RY4s.I added a touch of tobacco and it is about 90% close.

 

[passerbyeus]

The discussion I had with Ahlusion about Gold Rising is that its not a Classic RY4 and they used no caramel or vanilla, the whole deal was explained that Gold Rising is just a symbol of what RY4 is in vaping, another words even though it was nothing like a RY4 as we know it but they thought it was so good it could become a legend like RY4. Gold Rising to me was ok but I would think something like Bobas Bounty or Bounty Hunter will be a legend like a RY4.

You could be 100% on the money that Gold Rising was an attempt at recreating the Original Juice, considered to be the Gold Standard (?), which gave birth to all that followed... ergo the naming of Wlad's juice Gold Rising(as in rebirth/resurrection?).

If that was a proven theory, I'd think it would merit at least some consideration, just my

 

[On Target]

I have stumbled upon a frankenjuice that I find really, really good. An A grade to my subjective palate. I was in a local e-cig shop last week (Mike's Electronic Cigarettes in Lenoir City, TN) to purchase some new tanks. He had the relatively new Kanger Pro Tanks which he allowed me to sample and I really liked it. I purchased not one, but three Kanger Pro Tanks!

While there, I sampled several of his juices (he makes some of his own and also carries Joyetech, EVO and DeKang juices). I let Mike sample some of BWB RY4 and asked if he had anything remotely similar. Without hesitation, he asked me to try his "Real Cig" juice. I did, and it reminded me of a semi sweet cigar more than a cigarette and not very similar to BWB RY4 but it was really tasty. I suspected it would taste better if mixed with some vanilla flavoring so I took some BWB Vanilla Bean and mixed about 60% Real Cig and 40% Vanilla Bean. Result, WOW, this stuff is really good.

So, I spent the best part of 3 days vaping this frankenjuice in a Kanger Pro Tank. Well, this morning I decided to add some BWB Dulce de Leche to the juice and see what happened. Result, a really good RY4 Frankenjuice. I prefer an RY4 that is heavier on Vanilla so my mixture consists of approximately 1ml of Real Cig, 1ml of Vanilla Bean and six drops of Dulce de Leche.

So, what I really want to throw out for comments is this - are there any retail RY4's that use cigar type tobacco's? I have not vaped many cigar juices at all (maybe a half dozen) but I really like this frankenjuice. I am going to call it "CigaRY4" LOL.

 

[passerbyeus]

This stuff taste like a Cigar RY4 and its actually really good....

http://zombie-juice.com/Zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=163



If you like Dulce de Leche in your RY4 which it is the only RY4 I have noticed a lot in is from Rocky Top Vapor.

Also on target when I get some more stuff in this week I can mix you up a Cigar RY4

 

[On Target]

Passer, its not that I like Dulce de Leche that much, its just that this is the only straight caramel juice I have in my stash. By itself, Dulce de Leche is a bit overpowering for a caramel. However in small quantities, it apparently makes a very good mixer for my palate.

I may have to try some of that zombie juice. Send me a pm when you get in some more stuff this week, I am game to try your Cigar RY4.

 

[billherbst]

MyVapeCreations also has a CigaRY4. Any RY4 that tasted like a cigar would necessarily be Custom, and I have graded MVC's as a B-. It's OK, but not great. The same distinction applies whenever someone likes an emphasis on one ingredient in RY4. Loving vanilla-rich, caramel-rich, or strong tobacco RY4s means that you prefer a Custom RY4 to a Classic.

VapingZone sells a Chinese tobacco flavoring in their super-concentrated line for DIY called Real Cig. I read on the flavoring boards that it's the same as the MLB super-concentrate from FlavorsExpress by EcigExpress (I have that one). At least one customer review claimed that it tasted like a cigar, although it's supposed to be another Marlboro clone (that's presumably what MLB stands for---Marlboro, as opposed to Major League Baseball, LOL.

This is not to assume that Mike's Electronic Cigarettes uses that flavoring in their proprietary Real Cig retail juice, but it's a possibility.

 

[On Target]

Thanks for your input Bill! Mike's "Real Cig" may very well be MLB super-concentrate, I have no idea. All I know is I like it and its readily available any time. BWB's RY4 is no more and my supply is dwindling .

I just finished a comparison vape session with BWB RY4 and this frankenjuice "CigaRY4". While not the same, it is along the same flavor profile and quite tasty. After a few hours of being mixed with Vanilla Bean and Dulce de Leche, the cigar tobacco has toned down a lot and I am now tasting a very close cousin to BWB RY4. And, this makes me smile!.

 

[MFToms59]

MyVapeCreations also has a CigaRY4... VapingZone sells a Chinese tobacco flavoring in their super-concentrated line for DIY called Real Cig. I read on the flavoring boards that it's the same as the MLB super-concentrate from FlavorsExpress by EcigExpress (I have that one)...

I purchased a 5ml bottle of the VapingZone (VZ) Real Cig ~6 months ago, to my taste it was a very good Synthetic & close to Malb*ro type clone. I found it, and other Synthetic Tobaccos, much more enjoyable with the addition of ~1.6% TA Blend PG (TFA), purchased from Wizard Labs.

The VZ Deluxe Flavor wasn't too bad and could be a good base for DIY RY4.

 

[billherbst]

The 5ml bottle of Jane’s RY4 Kick Liquid I purchased from ESCI contains a pale gold-colored liquid in an uncertain nic strength and base blend. I say “uncertain” nic strength because the choices were Low, Medium, High, and Extra Strength. I ordered the extra strength, but one never really knows what that means: 24mg? 30mg? 32? 36? The juice tastes like 24mg to me. No base blend was specified, but I suspect that the juice is high-VG, partially because of the thicker viscosity, but also because one listed ingredient is water, which would be unnecessary in a mostly-PG juice. Testing was done by dripping into a 2.5 ohm Joye SR 510 atty powered by a VAMO set to 9 watts RMS.

Way back in November of 2011, I reviewed the DIY flavoring called Jane’s Toasted Toffee Kick Juice. I’d read on various threads that it was very much like an RY4, and I liked it. That kicked off a lively debate on the thread, and eventually I was persuaded that Toasted Toffee should be left off The Big RY4 List, because it wasn’t enough like an RY4 to qualify.

Recently I visited the ECSI site to order some Toasted Toffee as a retail pre-mixed liquid, since someone (I forget who) told me that the retail liquid version was different from the DIY flavoring, and I wanted to see for myself. I was surprised to find RY4 listed among the available juices---it had never been offered before, to my knowledge---so I ordered a 5ml bottle for testing and review.

Here’s the description from the ECSI product page: “RY4 is similar to Toasted Toffee. A Light tobacco base, with a touch of caramel finish. This has been extremely popular, and we brought it in due to heavy demand.” No mention of vanilla, but who knows what that implies?

In past weeks on the thread, I’ve been focused on Classic RY4s. Well, this one blows that right out of the water. From the very first vape, Jane’s RY4 Kick Liquid struck me as an extremely Custom RY4. In fact, it’s unlike any other RY4 I’ve ever vaped---not conflicting with them, but standing apart, quite on its own. Bright and sharp, but veering very far from the Classic flavor profile.

What’s it like? Tobacco dancing with caramel, certainly, but something else as well. My brain kept picking up hints of other flavors besides those two. Now, that doesn’t necessarily imply the actual presence of other unstated flavorings. Perhaps the tobacco base itself is spicy, although I doubt that. Whatever the source, there’s a lot going on in this juice, flavor-wise. Those mystery flavor spicy hints are not off-putting in the least, however, and I’m comfortable that the overall taste experience is still acceptably within the Custom RY4 Universe.

I like Jane’s RY4 very much, but it sure isn’t your Grandfather’s Buick. It’s bold, stimulating, and unusual, but also quite compelling. Not even close to an all-day-vape, though---too stimulating for that. Jane’s RY4 makes me want to create a new category for Exotic or Spicy RY4s, but most RY4s that would fit under those headings are lousy (unlike this one), so I’ll simply add it to the Distinctive/Atypical group and let it go at that.

If you like normal RY4s, forget Jane’s RY4. On the other hand, if you appreciate adventurous RY4s and want to walk on the wild side, grab a bottle while you can. I don’t think you’ll be sorry, at least I’m not. I just wish I knew exactly what’s in this juice.

Because it’s so distinctive and non-standard, I’m not sure how to grade Jane’s RY4. I’ll play things safe and give it a B, which is not so high as to challenge more typical but superb RY4s, and not so low that I’m withholding the respect it deserves.

Link to purchase: Jane’s RY4 Kick Liquid from ECSI

 

[billherbst]

Because we’ve engaged in so much discussion of DIY home-made RY4s on the thread over the past two months, I’ve decided to add another post to the existing three that comprise The Big RY4 List. From now on, RY4 Pre-Mixed DIY Flavorings will get their own page in the bi-monthly updates.

I’ll publish that new page initially in the next post below, then re-post it (updated if necessary) with the other three updated pages of The Big RY4 List later this month.

 

[billherbst]

Mixing Percentages
The key to making good DIY RY4 from Pre-Mixed RY4 flavorings and concentrates is knowing how much (or rather, how little) flavoring to use. Flavorings require a higher percentage; concentrates work at lower percentages. Use too much of either and you will ruin the juice. I cannot stress this strongly enough. Start out mixing lean. Then---if necessary---add more flavoring very sparingly. Test-vape after each small addition of flavor. Keep in mind that the flavors will “bloom” with steeping---a DIY RY4 that seems to lack flavor when new may magically mature into full-flavor after two weeks, so exercise both patience and restraint.

When making a small bottle of DIY RY4 (6mls or less) using a very concentrated flavoring, adding even two drops to an existing mix can be enough to wreck the flavor profile. Increase the flavoring only one drop at a time. Remember: Less is best, and more is not necessarily better. Err on the side of using too little flavoring rather than too much! Below are my recommended percentages for different brands of RY4 flavorings:

2-4%
TobaccoExpress Ruyan and RY4 concentrates
VapingZone RY4 super-concentrated flavoring

5-7%
DecadentVapours DY3 and DY4 flavorings
FlavourArt Legend RY4 flavoring concentrate
FlavourArt oRYental4 flavoring concentrate
FlavourArtUK Nutzilla flavoring concentrate
Hangsen Essence RY4 flavoring concentrate
HealthCabin Ruyan #4 (RY4) flavoring concentrate

6-9%
TPA/TFA RY4 Double and RY4 Asian flavorings

8-10%
BlueMistVaping RY4 and RY4.5 flavorings
MtBakerVapor RY4 flavoring

10-20%
Want2Vape RY4 and Rock Star flavorings
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Thread Discussion
To find posts on the thread about DIY RY4s, made from all-in-one pre-mixed flavorings or from scratch, use the “Search Thread” box located in the gray menu bar just above the top post on the page, then search for “DIY” or “flavorings”


The Winners
Best Classic RY4 Flavoring: FlavourArt RY4
Classic Runner-up: Hangsen Essence RY4
Best Custom RY4 Flavoring: TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Double
Custom Runner-up #1: FlavourArtUK RY4 Nutzilla
Custom Runner-up #2: Want2Vape RY4


Vendor Links to purchase RY4 Pre-Mixed DIY Flavorings
BlueMist RY4 flavoring - post #3072 (from BlueMistVaping only)
BlueMist RY4.5 flavoring - post #3277 (from BlueMistVaping only)
DecadentVapours DY3 flavoring (from Liberty-Flights)
DecadentVapours DY4 flavoring (from Liberty-Flights)
DIYFlavorShack Holy Holy Grail RY4 flavoring (from DIYFlavorshack only)
FlavourArt oRYental4 flavoring concentrate (from RTSVapes; available also from EcigExpress and Liberty-Flights)
FlavourArt RY4 Legend flavoring concentrate - post #2989 (from RTSVapes; available also from EcigExpress and Liberty-Flights)
FlavourArtUK RY4 Nutzilla flavoring concentrate - posts #3240 (from FlavourArtUK only)
Hangsen Essence RY1 flavoring concentrate (from EcigExpress)
Hangsen Essence RY3 flavoring concentrate (from EcigExpress)
Hangsen Essence RY4 flavoring concentrate - post #3715 (from EcigExpress)
HealthCabin Ruyan#4 (RY4) flavoring concentrate (from HealthCabin only)
MtBaker RY4 flavoring (from MtBakerVapor only)
TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Double flavoring - post #1145 (available also from numerous vendors that sell TPA/TFA flavorings)
TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Asian flavoring - post #1550 (available also from numerous vendors that sell TPA/TFA flavorings)
TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Type flavoring - post #3072 (I don't recommend buying this one)
Super-Concentrated RY4 Flavoring (from VapingZone)
Tobacco Express Ruyan flavoring super-concentrate - post #2187 (from EcigExpress)
Tobacco Express RY4 flavoring super-concentrate - post #2187 (from EcigExpress)
Want2Vape RY4 flavoring concentrate (from XtremeVaping; available also from Want2Vape)
Want2Vape Rock Star flavoring (from XtremeVaping; available also from Want2Vape)

 

[passerbyeus]

Thats awesome ECSI has a RY4 now classic or not..... the 555 they have is different from any I have tried, its very good and it is top notch. I like the thought of a spicy RY4, why not right we have a little of everything in RY4 world. Doing DIY RY4s has taught me respect for some of these vendors because its not easy as Bill has stated and I can also see why Classic has stayed in China etc, its about impossible to make , they sure can clone our ideas but make it hard for us to clone theirs.

 

[Calivapr123]

@billherbst ---- thank you for the DIY compilation, it is hard to go through 400 some odd pages, but I'm really glad that you shared your summary

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I just finished my Skydancer RY4 NET v11 from Bill. It will be missed..!

 

[billherbst]

@billherbst ---- thank you for the DIY compilation, it is hard to go through 400 some odd pages, but I'm really glad that you shared your summary

Cali,

Thanks.

Many good reasons exist not to read the entire thread. Obviously, the investment of time alone is daunting. Beyond that, however, is the fact that this thread has evolved. We no longer see, understand, or discuss RY4 in the same manner we did when the thread was just starting out. Things have changed in RY4 Land over two years, and we've changed with them (sometimes even helping initiate some of those changes). For instance, we started out with just RY4s, then we had to add RY4-variants, but that designation proved dicey for a bunch of reasons, so eventually we/I came up with the Classic/Custom division, which has served us well in understanding RY4s and keeping them straight. We've delved into the history of RY4 about as well as any outsiders can. Over the past couple months the thread has headed into discussion of DIY RY4s---both from pre-mixed RY4 flavorings and made-from-scratch---in a big way. Personally, I feel that most of the early posts about DIY RY4 pre-mixed flavorings are probably not worth reading, whereas the more recent posts are really starting to get it right.

The Search Thread function that ECF added some time back is an invaluable tool. Located in the gray menu bar just above the top post on each page, the ability to search within the thread for posts containing a specific word or phrase is a godsend. I use it often. Reviews are often quite useful, and we have a boatload of them in this thread. I should know, because I wrote at least half of them.

A single review, however, is just one person's opinion after vaping a given RY4 from a particular bottle, and doing so using a certain kind of vaping hardware (with differing volts/watts applied to atties/cartos/clearos/tanks). In other words, reviews aren't science and never will be. They're anecdotal opinions of greater or lesser intelligence, savvy, and accuracy. And they may or may not apply to your palate. All of which is fine, as long as we don't forget all those variables. Finding a reviewer whose likes and dislikes parallel one's own, or at least knowing the reviewer's biases, definitely helps.

I've come to appreciate comparison reviews more than individual juice reviews. Comparing juices neutralizes at least some of the uncontrolled variables and gives a sense of the similarities and differences among various juices, in our case, RY4s.

 

[Calivapr123]

@billherbst -

Absolutely, the industry is changing very fast indeed, not just for the liquids but the hardware as well. There are many good threads and stickies that have run their course, but it's the summary posts like you put together that really help narrow it all down. Perhaps its now time for the Really Big RY4 Round II ?