The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[billherbst]

I noticed you were down on Tribeca and didn't want to categorize it for the longest time, then gave it a D+ and now it's an A. What changed your mind (didn't find when you changed) and how different is Tribecca from most RY4s?

Lombaowski,

Here's the story behind Tribeca's miraculous turn-around. Many Halo liquids have a tone (I call it a tone because it's not a flavor, per se) that Halo calls "Purity." This tone is beloved by some vapers and hated by others. It's a brain/palate thing. To some brains, Halo Purity adds a unique and wonderful freshness to the juices flavors. To other brains, that tone tastes like the way hospital disinfectant or bug spray smells. I'm in the latter camp. I absolutely hate it.

My first bottle of Tribeca had (to me) overwhelming Purity and tasted awful. I literally couldn't taste anything but disinfectant. I put the bottle away for almost a year, then hesitantly tried it again. The Purity tone had diminished almost entirely, leaving a wonderful custom RY4 in its wake. Thus, Tribeca went from a D+ to an A in my ratings.

I have since purchased a larger bottle of Tribeca that didn't have that "Purity" thing at all. It was also absent from Halo Turkish. Apparently Halo made a decision somewhere along the line to cut back or eliminate that tone from some of their juices.

Tribeca is a Custom RY4. Custom RY4s have flavor profiles that can go just about anywhere, as long as they contain tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Some Custom RY4s stretch the envelope right to the breaking point. By contrast, Classic RY4s all taste similar.

ECBlend RY4 and Halo Tribeca are both Custom RY4s, so their dissimilarity comes as no great surprise.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Lombaowski,

Here's the story behind Tribeca's miraculous turn-around. Many Halo liquids have a tone (I call it a tone because it's not a flavor, per se) that Halo calls "Purity." This tone is beloved by some vapers and hated by others. It's a brain/palate thing. To some brains, Halo Purity adds a unique and wonderful freshness to the juices flavors. To other brains, that tone tastes like the way hospital disinfectant or bug spray smells. I'm in the latter camp. I absolutely hate it.

My first bottle of Tribeca had (to me) overwhelming Purity and tasted awful. I literally couldn't taste anything but disinfectant. I put the bottle away for almost a year, then hesitantly tried it again. The Purity tone had diminished almost entirely, leaving a wonderful custom RY4 in its wake. Thus, Tribeca went from a D+ to an A in my ratings.

I have since purchased a larger bottle of Tribeca that didn't have that "Purity" thing at all. It was also absent from Halo Turkish. Apparently Halo made a decision somewhere along the line to cut back or eliminate that tone from some of their juices.

Tribeca is a Custom RY4. Custom RY4s have flavor profiles that can go just about anywhere, as long as they contain tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Some Custom RY4s stretch the envelope right to the breaking point. By contrast, Classic RY4s all taste similar.

ECBlend RY4 and Halo Tribeca are both Custom RY4s, so their dissimilarity comes as no great surprise.

Bill, I wonder if this is why my P15 no longer has that primer taste? I actually really liked that taste in P15. To my buds, Torque 56 still tastes like hairspray.

 

[billherbst]

Bill, I wonder if this is why my P15 no longer has that primer taste? I actually really liked that taste in P15. To my buds, Torque 56 still tastes like hairspray.

Yeah, I was shocked when Halo sent me a free 30ml bottle of Turkish and I bought my second bottle of Tribeca last year. I assumed that I would be in for another year-long steep waiting for the disinfectant tone to diminish, but---to my total surprise---both juices were completely yummy from the get-go. I thought, "This is no mistake. Somebody high up at Halo made a decision to mix these juices without that purity-primer-bug spray tone."

Either that, or someone gave me a frontal lobotomy/brain swap in my sleep.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah, I was shocked when Halo sent me a free 30ml bottle of Turkish and I bought my second bottle of Tribeca last year. I assumed that I would be in for another year-long steep waiting for the disinfectant tone to diminish, but---to my total surprise---both juices were completely yummy from the get-go. I thought, "This is no mistake. Somebody high up at Halo made a decision to mix these juices without that purity-primer-bug spray tone."

Either that, or someone gave me a frontal lobotomy/brain swap in my sleep.

Yeah, no, it's not "just" you. For all of the people that swear nothing has changed in certain liquids, some of us know better. No disclaimer needed. Some liquids do change (ahem, AVE) without telling the customer. I think it's not a huge problem, as I know vendors do this, but a little heads-up wouldn't hurt. I am sure some people would've been thrilled to know that and likely would've tried them again (Halo), but I believe some vendors aren't keen on looking like they "found" a problem, or had some problem, with their liquids that needed to be or had to be changed. I wonder if I could contact Halo and get my P15 the way it used to be. But then again, that would be them admitting something is different. Square one.

 

[clnire]

MaddCatt Vapors Super Catt Joose.

MaddCatt already has two ry4s, RyW4 and RyJ4. I like, but don't love both of those offerings.
Super Catt Joose is another custom ry4. This version has a more buttery caramel. The overall flavor is more rich than sweet. Tobacco takes a bit of a back seat, although you can taste it throughout the vape. On the exhale, there is a sweet vanilla icing flavor.

Super Catt Joose is very similar to Nashville Vapors Master Blend. I am going to send this and two other new (to the list) flavors off to Mr. Bill for his review. It may be that he doesn't agree that this is a true ry4. That is fine. I like this version better than their other ry4 choices.

Question hangdude (and everyone), I know you are a fan of Mr Vape RY4. About my all time fave so far. Today I broke into my Apollo. Excellent!! Very similar profile (to ME!!) as Mr Vape. Not the same, but very similar. So I have been trying to figure out what I really like about some RY4s, don't like about others. I also really like Passer's Fancy, sweeter than Mr Vape or Apollo, but very good. I have a sample of MaddCatt RYW4 which I dripped some of today since I was also into my Apollo. MaddCatt is OK, but sweeter? It's OK, but now a WOW to me. I was debating on the Super Catt Joose, had a long chat with William about which RY4 I wanted to try first. He suggested the RYW4 and he was very correct. It is very good, but sweeter than an all day RY4 for me. So you state the Super Catt Joose has a more buttery caramel? Perhaps that is a difference? But then I read the Shamrock flavor and get OOOOO NOOOO! maybe not.... So I guess my question is, in the realm of RY4, compared to Mr Vape, Apollo and Indigo Classic, is the Super Catt more like them or more like a custom sweetness RY4??? I have never had Nashville Vapors or many of the others on the Big List, just plugging my way along, but I do have 30ml of Mr Vape and Chris is very nice about adding extra flavor to my high vg juice that just makes it my comfort vape.

So many RY4s, trying to figure out where I am. I also have TPA double RY4 and Asian, Flavorart RY4 and Hangsen RY4 flavorings (thanks for the sale info everyone!!) sitting at the post office when I get home to experiment with DIY. Any suggestions/recommendations on % of flavor to use is greatly appreciated. I vape very low NIC and pg, should I add some AP or other additives to my DIY kit?

I love this thread and everyone one who contributes. Such a wonderful journey of vapeness. Thank you everyone! (especially Bill who started this whole wonderful encyclopedia of RY4).

 

[clnire]

PS, I loved Bill's Skydancer, but it's long gone so I can't side by side compare.... it's been awhile and I am one of those who goes to sleep and the brain tends to so a hard reboot....

 

[thehangdude]

clnire,
Mr.Vape has become my all day ry4. Others that I like (in the same neighborhood) are Apollo, Crystal Clear Vaping, and Tribeca. You might be able to come close with ry4 double or asian at around 12% (with high VG).

My advice for your next is CCV's RY4 30ML. I think it is 90-100% VG. You might want to contact them to find out their VG%. They have a sale right now of $11.25/30ml, and they have a coupon I think (try "giveme10").

 

[clnire]

clnire,
Mr.Vape has become my all day ry4. Others that I like (in the same neighborhood) are Apollo, Crystal Clear Vaping, and Tribeca. You might be able to come close with ry4 double or asian at around 12% (with high VG).

My advice for your next is CCV's RY4 30ML. I think it is 90-100% VG. You might want to contact them to find out their VG%. They have a sale right now of $11.25/30ml, and they have a coupon I think (try "giveme10").

Off to check out CCV!! Thanks!

 

[Lombaowski]

Lombaowski,

Here's the story behind Tribeca's miraculous turn-around. Many Halo liquids have a tone (I call it a tone because it's not a flavor, per se) that Halo calls "Purity." This tone is beloved by some vapers and hated by others. It's a brain/palate thing. To some brains, Halo Purity adds a unique and wonderful freshness to the juices flavors. To other brains, that tone tastes like the way hospital disinfectant or bug spray smells. I'm in the latter camp. I absolutely hate it.

My first bottle of Tribeca had (to me) overwhelming Purity and tasted awful. I literally couldn't taste anything but disinfectant. I put the bottle away for almost a year, then hesitantly tried it again. The Purity tone had diminished almost entirely, leaving a wonderful custom RY4 in its wake. Thus, Tribeca went from a D+ to an A in my ratings.

I have since purchased a larger bottle of Tribeca that didn't have that "Purity" thing at all. It was also absent from Halo Turkish. Apparently Halo made a decision somewhere along the line to cut back or eliminate that tone from some of their juices.

Tribeca is a Custom RY4. Custom RY4s have flavor profiles that can go just about anywhere, as long as they contain tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Some Custom RY4s stretch the envelope right to the breaking point. By contrast, Classic RY4s all taste similar.

ECBlend RY4 and Halo Tribeca are both Custom RY4s, so their dissimilarity comes as no great surprise.

Makes sense, thanks for taking the the time to illuminate.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Bill, have you tried AVE's Blend 4? I am vaping it now (well, until I vaped it) . I have checked the search engine for this thread, but the phrase "blend 4" sends the results into a frenzy. I didn't see it in the one of the last lists posted (maybe I missed it).

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Based on hangdude's recommendation, I decided to take a look at MrVape's RY4. With a special price of $14.95 for 60ml and an A- grade from billherbst, there was no passing it up! ECF has a discount coupon and shipping is under $3. Total: $17.16 and order confirmation has arrived!

 

[vapsychedelic]

Free shipping

vapsychedelic,

Here's another good Chinese site. You can purchase 50ml of Hangsen RY4 (which is one of the highest-rated Chinese RY4s and among my personal favorites) from VaporBreak for $4.50 plus $4.27 shipping. $8.77 total, or 17¢/ml. If you buy two bottles (100mls), shipping stays the same (total cost $13.27), so your unit cost goes down to 13¢/ml. Hard to beat that. I've ordered from VaporBreak often in the past, and they're reliable.

Link: Hangsen 50ml tobaccos from VaporBreak

Thanks guys, I think I'll give 'em both a go as I can pay with Paypal.
Vaporbreak I think has gotten a bit of heat here at the forums, but I'll give them the benefit of doubt.

 

[billherbst]

Bill, have you tried AVE's Blend 4? I am vaping it now (well, until I vaped it) . I have checked the search engine for this thread, but the phrase "blend 4" sends the results into a frenzy. I didn't see it in the one of the last lists posted (maybe I missed it).

Mr.M,

I have an 18ml bottle of Blend 4 from AlienVisions that's now 2 1/2 years old, with about 4mls left. Tastes nothing like an RY4 to me---never did, and still doesn't. (I just dripped some.)

I notice on the Alien Visions' product page that the description now states, "For those of you that might remember RY4, this is our version." What the hell does that mean---"For those of you that might remember RY4????" As if RY4 were some juice from the distant past that no one's vaped for years? Do you think they're referring to Ruyan 4 instead? That's a possibility, since Ruyan 4 was a sweet tobacco blend, and Blend 4 is a sweet tobacco blend, too. The only fly in that ointment is that back when Ruyan 4 was available, it was never called RY4. That confusion arose only after the creation of RY4 in 2007. Still, I'm willing to give Alien Visions the benefit of the doubt and assume that their product page description refers to Ruyan 4 rather than RY4.

Way back when I bought my bottle of Blend 4 in March 2011, AVE made no mention of anything connecting Blend 4 to RY4. They wrote something about "smooth, pure tobacco taste." As I recall, Blend 4 was supposed to be a blend of four tobaccos, although it uses the same base tobacco as all AVE's other tobacco juices.

Maybe it's another unannounced product change of the kind you mentioned earlier today. All I can tell you is that Blend 4 is not on The Big RY4 List because the juice I have---while decent enough for an apparently synthetic tobacco blend---isn't remotely like any RY4 I've ever vaped. It's a woody, spicy tobacco, and it might even contain a hint of caramel and/or vanilla, but not much.

I think the remains of the bottle I have may be succumbing to Juice Alzheimer's after 2 1/2 years, because I remember Blend 4 as intensely flavored (and not in an altogether good way), but now it's just moderately flavored.

Does Blend 4 taste like an RY4 to you, Mr.M?

 

[billherbst]

Thanks guys, I think I'll give 'em both a go as I can pay with Paypal.
Vaporbreak I think has gotten a bit of heat here at the forums, but I'll give them the benefit of doubt.

vapsychedelic,

I've never had a problem with VaporBreak, but it you're the slightest bit nervous about ordering from them, by all means go with EcigOnlineShop.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Bill, no, Blend 4 does en-oh-tee (NOT) taste like an RY4. That's what perplexed me so much. I have seen on many cooking shows where problems arise when a chef says the dish is one thing and it completely misses the mark, or doesn't even register as a legitimate attempt. The tasters (often chefs themselves) always say (something to the effect of) serve as billed. Or, as in the case of the movie Harlem Nights when Della Reese discovered there was no orange juice left in the bottle that was still in the refrigerator: "Got my mouth all set for some orange juice and there ain't none!"

Sometimes is not even about whether, on its own merits, it's good or not; though, in this case, it not only completely misses the mark, I just don't like it.

I have no idea what Blend 4 is about in regards to an RY4, and now I can truly understand why you all take that sort of thing the way you do. The billing, description, or category of a liquid is the setting of the stage and once I am set for one thing, it's hard to re-set my perception to accept something as is.

 

[RPadTV]

Here's an Indigo Vapor review that covers two of the companies highly-regarded RY4s -- Indigo Classic and Indigo RY. They're both very, very good and among the best American RY4s I've had. While I generally prefer Asian RY4s and naturally-extracted tobacco RY4s, both Indigo Vapor juices are highly recommended. I had somewhat high expectations going into the review and was happy that my expectations were exceeded. Full review and steeping notes here.

 

[clnire]

Based on hangdude's recommendation, I decided to take a look at MrVape's RY4. With a special price of $14.95 for 60ml and an A- grade from billherbst, there was no passing it up! ECF has a discount coupon and shipping is under $3. Total: $17.16 and order confirmation has arrived!

Yes, they have a sale on now, blowing out their 15 and 30 ml bottles to change to child proof. Have not tried my GJ4 yet, but I offer the same deal, if you don't like it I will be happy to take it off your hands..... LOL!!!!

<edit> just received another email it is 15ml and 60ml bottles....

Mr Vape's 15ml and 60ml E-liquid
Blowout Sale!

15ml bottles of E-liquid for $4.99!
60ml bottles of E-liquid for $14.99!
Limited Quantities Available.

We have decided to convert all of our bottles over to having Child Safety Caps, so we are getting rid of all the bottles without Child Safety Caps. All 15ml and 60ml bottles without Child Safety Caps must go!
We are going to continue using the 6ml bottles without Child Safety Caps for all of the sample packs.

 

[vapsychedelic]

vapsychedelic,

I've never had a problem with VaporBreak, but it you're the slightest bit nervous about ordering from them, by all means go with EcigOnlineShop.

Thanks. But anyway the price is low so it's not the end of the world if the order never comes or never ships.
Will likely try both.

 

[Texmac1011]

Outside of a local B&M, I have been staying exclusively with Mom & Pops' RY4. At this price and rating, I will give Mr. Vape a try. Thanks fro the heads up!

 

[thehangdude]

Outside of a local B&M, I have been staying exclusively with Mom & Pops' RY4. At this price and rating, I will give Mr. Vape a try. Thanks fro the heads up!

I like Mom & Pops. They are very cheap if you use their concentrates. I have each of the M&P RY4s, and plan to try to find the perfect percent of concentrate for each soon.