The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Void Mist calls itself "Your e-liquid Deli." VM sells no hardware, only juice and DIY supplies. The e-liquids are fresh mixed on site, often in custom recipes apparently, and customers can specify their own personal mixes of flavorings. VM also offers frequent coupon sales with major discounts of up to 60% off, and very inexpensive big bottles of high-density unflavored nicotine (60mg/ml) in any mix of PG and VG.

I'm of two minds about Void Mist. On the one hand, I appreciate the frequent sales with deep discounts and have purchased many of their juices at bargain prices. I'm scornful of vendors who make a big deal out of 10% off sales, especially if their prices seem elevated in the first place. So, VM earns kudos for affordability.

On the other hand, the names of some of their juices give no clue as to their flavors, which always aggravates me. What the hell is VM Tobacco 01, with a product description that says no more than "Nice juice with nice aroma." Come on, VM, you don't really expect me to buy that juice, do you? Also, anyone who's read my reviews knows that I tend to dislike vendor-specific "signature" base flavors. All of Void Mist's juices share a distinctly similar base tone, which disappoints me, both as a general practice and in particular here as a specific background taste.

Void Mist is the only vendor I know that sells three different RY4s. A couple of other vendors sell RY1 through RY4, but only VM offers RY4 in three versions---in their typically cryptic naming convention, called RY4 VM Version 1, Version 2, and Version 3, but with no description of what each one tastes like or what makes them different.

When I did the original RY4 list with mini-reviews in the first post of this thread three months ago, Void Mist RY4 was included. That was before the other versions appeared at Void Mist's site, so I assume that juice to be the same as what is now offered as RY4 VM Version 1. Back then, I wasn't impressed with VM RY4 and gave it a correspondingly low ranking. In the current revised rankings, it's mired near the bottom of the Big List at #38 out of 42.

Now I've taste-tested Versions 2 and 3 and revisited Version 1 (all of which I purchased at 18mg nic strength in a 70/30 PG/VG blend, with extra flavor) by dripping into a Joye 1.5 ohm atty powered by 4.0 volts for 10 watts of oomph.

What do they taste like? I'm inclined to say that since Void Mist doesn't tell us, I won't either, but that would be unfair to readers. In the simplest terms, Version 1 is more caramel-rich, Version 2 has a stronger tobacco, and Version 3 has more vanilla. Or something like that. All three qualify as sweet dessert RY4s, with Version 2 being the least sweet of the trio.

How different are they? In liquid color, V1 is very dark brown, V2 is a deep caramel, but lighter than V!, and V3 is a medium caramel color, and lightest of all three. The flavors from one to another are different enough to be noticeable, but not distinct enough to mask their very similar pedigrees. These are all clearly pups from the same litter, more alike to each other than they are to any other vendor's RY4.

And finally, how good are they? To my palate, not very. OK, they're passable RY4s, but that's not saying much. I'm sufficiently unimpressed to leave them grouped together on the Rankings List without any change---still #38---although I will revise the Category Groups at the next update to reflect the three versions.

I wish they were better, since Void Mist is obviously trying hard, and I'd much prefer to give all such good vendors a supportive boost. Unfortunately, these RY4 triplets are in need of some remedial special ed. They could benefit by learning a thing or two from other RY4s.
 
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I emailed the folks at VoidMist asking if they could describe the differences in the RY4 and this was their response:

It is very difficult to describe any taste. I have samples $1.00 for 3 ml bottle. It is the best way to figure out which juice is better for you.

I'm sorry, if that's the best they can do, I'll pass. They have some nice sounding flavors and great prices, but there are other places with which I'd rather take my chances.
 

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goodtimes,

I agree. Would they have us believe that they make their juices by blindfolding themselves and tossing in flavorings at random? Of course not. They know exactly what and how much of each flavor goes into their juices.

We don't need perfect descriptions, just a ballpark idea of what the intention was or what flavors went into a given juice.
 

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I believe my search is over for now although I'll continue to try RY4s just for fun of it. I got my shipment of VV RY4 yesterday, didn't even consider letting it steep, filled up my brand new VPX tank with the 3.0 ohm Boge and drifted off to vaping bliss. I never even considered a tank until I read about the VPX. I've been chugging on this baby all day so far and I can't believe the warmth, taste, and volume of vapor. This is what I've been wanting out of my vaping experience. F'ing A! Oh and the VV RY4 is absolutely stunning as well. Bright and light, sweet but not overdone, good caramel flavor. Could use a little more tobacco kick, but I can live with it. I imagine it really comes alive in a couple of weeks, but I couldn't wait. Thanks for listing these out Bill. It helped me a ton to find what I was looking for. :)
 

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VV= Vixen Vapors, my bad. Should have known there were a few VV out there.

Oh, and don't think I'm plugging the VPX tank. It's the first one I've ever tried so I'm sure there are other tanks out there that are equally awesome. But I have to say that I am impressed so far. No leaking, no mess, and great vapor. I'm sure that'll change in time, but for now I'm enjoying it.
 

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Okay, so those few who remember or read my post from weeks ago know I DESPISED RY4 based on my Dekang experience. It was perfumey, floral and chemical up the wazoo. I even tried to give it another shot by dripping a little bit at a local e-cig shop, thinking maybe I just got a bad batch. Nope, still tasted like Satan's bung hole after taco night.

A week ago or so, I was getting supplies from Liberty Flights and I noticed a custom juice line they make, including something called LF4. The site describes it as a "creamier, sweeter Ry4". Since I was already on a spending binge and it seemed like a non-traditional RY4, I thought "what the hell, I'll try it... worst that can happen is I put it on the treasure chest of PiF".

Well, I have been vaping this for a couple days now and I am oh, so very glad I took the plunge.

First of, let me start by saying this juice has just about the worst vapor production I have ever seen, even on a CE2 or Direct Dripping. But, on the bright side, it tastes great.

It does have a very creamy quality to it, which makes the vanilla carry more than the other flavors, but it definitely has a nougat-like caramel exhale and after taste. The tobacco is kind of subtle, but still there, and my favorite part is that I am getting ZERO FLORAL/CHEMICAL/PERFUME TASTE from this thing.

It is definitely on the sweet side, which I am liking a lot. It almost tastes like vaping a Milky Way with some smokey vanilla in it.

Not sure I'd call myself a RY4 fanatic or devotee, but I can definitely say I finally found a RY4 I very much enjoyed. Gives me hope of liking the very well reviewed VR4.

For now, Liberty Flights' LF4 gets my approval. If it didn't have such a crappy vapor production, it would get two thumbs up.
 

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Hiryu that sounds like an interesting juice. A hybrid Ry4 of which there are a few out there. I wasn't aware LF did custom lines, I shall have to explore this a little and maybe even try a sample of this Ry4 variant you mention. I've had standard LF RY4 and for me is was decidedly average. Strictly nondescript Chinese juice Ry4 with little stand out qualities. It wasn't by any means 'bad juice' merely unexciting.

Personally I'm still very much on the Janty elixir. I have been mixing it up a little though and have found a new love in libberos riskke yulce. (their name not my terrible spelling) whilst it's not an Ry4 it's a lovely honey infused cured tobacco flavour which is frankly a wonderful vape, if, a little sickly on the long term.
 

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Z.,

I read somewhere on the Forums in the past week that Liberty-Flights' standard juice line is Hangsen pre-mix, straight from the factory in China. Might not be true, but someone posted to that effect.

I don't know who makes the newer custom line for L-F.

Yesterday I ordered 5ml bottles of the custom LF4 and the regular RY1-4. From the customer reviews (not the ratings, only the descriptions) I conclude that the Liberty-Flights four RYs are probably just average (or less), but it's my "job," so I bought 'em. Reviews will be forthcoming after they arrive.
 

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Whoa...GREAT offering of reviews of various RY4s!

I have a bottle of PG, 18mg/ml LF4. It's not my favorite. Kind of an overbearing, sickly sweet nutty taste to me. I really enjoy most of the Liberty Flights flavors I've tried (Highway, in particular), but this one is not really my cup of tea.

I've also tried both madvapes DK RY4 and DK RY4 straight from China. I think they taste very similar. There was a long period of time between the two, though, so I can't be sure.

Thanks for the great list of Ruyans!
 

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Are you sure you ordered the LF4? I ask because that one does not come in 5ml bottles, only 10ml. And last I checked they only had 0 nic and 12 mg left.

Hiryu,

Yes, you're right. I did order 5ml bottles of Liberty-Flights' standard RY-series, but, as you say, the custom line is sold only in 10ml bottles. So, I ordered a 10ml bottle of LF4 in 4mg nic strength---which was the only nic choice they had; even the 0 nic was sold out.

I figure I can pour half of that 10mls into another bottle and add 15-or-so drops of 60mg/ml unflavored liquid nic to get a high enough nic concentration to satisfy my throat hit cravings (well, maybe not satisfy, but at least mollify). Flavor will no doubt be diluted a little, but I'll still have the other unaltered 5mls to compare for flavor in the review.
 

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I think I'm going to have to make a slight retraction on a previous review, namely the: RY4 from ENjuice.

My previous evaluation of this juice was that it was not a typical RY4 as it was too maple syrup like and so was a 'hybrid dessert variant'. I've since ordered a separate bottle, this time from the value vape range (not their expensive premium range which I used previously) and it's actually a rather nice Ry4 indeed.

It is Incredibly sweet, overriding taste is certainly caramel with a spun sugar like taste too it, pushing it firmly into the dessert vape only category. The liquid itself is a pale gold colour, it's thin and I believe 100% PG. There is a tobacco hint to the juice, though only coming later and it's very nearly swamped entirely by that sugary caramel rush on the first inhale. The taste lingers in the mouth, much longer then on other juices I've tried. It's also suprisngly not very dry, in fact unlike almost all other juices I've tried I didn't feel I needed a swig of water after a long vape session, my mouth was still quite wet after prolonged vaping on this juice. There is an almost buttery like quality to this juice also, possibly in the vanilla which is there on the exhale, it's also possibly the texture which adds to the lack of dryness one usually expects from vaping over a long period. That butter is usually more common in an RY3 variant, but it's not unpleasant here in this Ry4, instead I find it gives the juice extra body and adds weight to an otherwise light and sutble vanilla exhale.

My confusion before might well have been me vaping maple waffles from ENjuice in close proximity, both juices came at the same time and I alternated between the two throughout the week. Whilst I rate maple waffles premium from ENjuice one of the best e-liquids money can buy, im forced to elevate the position of ENjuices RY4 too. It's a very, very sweet goey caramel juice, but it's so full of flavour it actually becomes quite addictive!

Pure indulgent dessert RY4 then, absolutely perfect for those looking for a caramel, sugar heavy mix.

I have also got 30mls of ENjuices premium Ry4 to try too, this time it's what they refer to as 'satin smooth' meaning it's 80 VG / 20 PG. It's too thick on my REO mini really, so I shall have to try this on my E-power and arry tank. I wonder if the maple syrup flavour from before is in fact a staple of the premium range? Of course, stay tuned to this thread to find out!
 
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Thanks to Bill and Z for the wealth of info here. I've begun settling on my daily-vape, and I'm convinced that it's destined to be someone's RY4. This thread has done several things for me in this regard.

First, it's been a good sanity-check on FSUSA's blend. I wasn't really bowled-over by it, and now I know that I wasn't alone. Also, the "signature taste" of FSUSA was escaping me until just a couple pages ago. +1 for the identification of Cedar there.

Also, watching the rankings of the various juices move around, I've been watching with some interest as Dekang made its way up the "leaderboard". I got a 5ml sampler from Cignot (which has been identified here as Boge/Dekang) a month or so ago, but it tasted like Chemical Burn™ in 2 or 3 different atties, so I simply let it float in my box-o-samplers. Turns out, all it needed was steeping for a few weeks. I was emboldened by the discussion here to try again, on a fresh atty, and wow. Just. Wow. It's like a whole different juice (in a very good way), and will probably give my current fav a run for it's money.

My daily go-to for RY4 (right now) is Drew's Nhale-Xhale version of RY4, and I absolutely love it. The caramel/vanilla is clear and strong with it, although the tobacco is a little understated with it, IMO.

Maybe it's just me, but the Dekang seems a little more balanced here. Does anyone agree/care?

Anyway, thanks again for the awesome thread. Now I don't have to work as hard to figure out which RY4's to try next.. Win! :)
 

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I think you'll find plenty of agreement here rusty with regards to the Dekang. If you want balance, a slight janty esque sourness and a wonderful all day vape then Dekang is hard to beat. In fact both Bill and myself would easily have Dekang Ry4 in our respective top 10's somewhere. For me it's slightly eclipsed by the admittedly more sutble, but slightly smoother janty Elixir. But I'd consider Dekang Ry4 my No:2 with little hesistantion. You're right too, to steep it, i left mine a week and only then did it truly shine and loose a slightly chemical taste. Steeping also helped bring out the sweetness of the Dekang mix I had, a sweetness which on first vape wasn't present for me.
 

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Zombite,

Sterling review, as always.

Since you're amassing a fair number of reviews for RY4s and RY4 variants available in the UK, I wondered if you might consider taking on the task of creating a Category Groups listing for "World" RY4s that you've tried (from the UK, Europe, China, Romania, wherever). If you're willing to do this, you needn't use my categories---since it would be your list, any categories you liked would be fine.

I wouldn't ask you to do an accompanying Rankings List, for two obvious reasons: 1. rankings are stupid to begin with, and 2. doing them is a royal pain-in-the-you-know-what. One fool on this thread presuming to rank RY4s is probably more than enough, although if you wished to create your own "World RY4" rankings, I doubt that anyone would complain, least of all me.

If a Category Groups List feels like more responsibility than you want to take on, I understand completely.


For everyone else who follows the thread: If you've tried an RY4 that's not on the existing Rankings/Categories List (meaning that I haven't tried or reviewed it), I'd be happy to include it in the Category Groups, since that's one core function of the thread---to provide a Buyer's Guide that helps people choose which RY4s they want to purchase. Just PM me with the vendor and the name of the juice, along with your chosen categories for that particular RY4 or variant, and I'll add it to each subsequent revision.
 
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