What do you guys think of the Dekang RY4? I just tried it and wasn't that impressed. Anxiously waiting for my Mom & Pop RY4 to get here.
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The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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I wouldn't call it a "general consensus," but many, many posters on ECF have commented on the inconsistency of Dekang juices. The Dekang RY4 I bought from madvapes last year was OK, but couldn't hold a candle to the Dekang RY4 I got this summer from HealthCabin, which was/is terrific. Both RY4s were similar in flavor ingredients and recipe proportions, as far as I could tell, but the HealthCabin Dekang is worlds more tasty, as if all the flavor elements have been doubled. Also, the so-so Dekang was 24mg nic, while the terrific Dekang is 26mg. What's up with that? Why 2mg more? Who at Dekang said, "I think we should do production runs of RY4 at both 24 and 26mgs." And why?
Some folks have theorized that not all juice labeled Dekang is actually authentic Dekang. What the heck does that imply? Is someone making counterfeit Dekang, the equivalent of bathtub gin??? Is Dekang's juice market so huge that there are significant profits in counterfeiting it? Why go to all that trouble when Dekang juice is already so cheap? Someone may know the answers, but I don't.
Then, too, there's always the chance that you just didn't like Dekang RY4. Period. But maybe you had it on a low-voltage battery with a standard-resistance atty (feh!), where it would taste totally different on a VV or stacked-battery tube mod at much higher wattage.
There are just too many unknown variables to answer your question (which is often the case here on ECF).
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Hi all,
I would really like to know what people think of the "High Caliber RY4" ?! I am a big fan of High Caliber, I like how their juice are smooth and "not too strong", which is the most important part; I can easily feel sick from strong tastes. I received their RY4 today and I'm in love with the idea of this juice, a Minty taste at first, then the honey strikes. So far so good, I can't really judge this juice in my hand fairly not until I vape more of it. Can anyone tell me about their experience with the "High Caliber RY4" if they had one? Thanks.
I would really like to know what people think of the "High Caliber RY4" ?! I am a big fan of High Caliber, I like how their juice are smooth and "not too strong", which is the most important part; I can easily feel sick from strong tastes. I received their RY4 today and I'm in love with the idea of this juice, a Minty taste at first, then the honey strikes. So far so good, I can't really judge this juice in my hand fairly not until I vape more of it. Can anyone tell me about their experience with the "High Caliber RY4" if they had one? Thanks.
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I reviewed High Caliber Our 4 way back on July 22nd. Didn't like it much, largely because of an odd fruitiness in the flavor element mix. The full review is post #388 of the Big RY4 Round-up thread.
Our 4's current ranking on the Big List is #45. The only Category Group it's included in is Variants (non-typical).
Our 4's current ranking on the Big List is #45. The only Category Group it's included in is Variants (non-typical).
Thank you for your response billherbst, such a great thread. Silly me, I have been smoking the Altsmoke RY4 thinking it was a High Caliber product 
. I found your review about it in post #48. The juice is kind of harsh at the throat, just a little, but I'll keep vapping my lovely Killa Vanilla for now 
. I found your review about it in post #48. The juice is kind of harsh at the throat, just a little, but I'll keep vapping my lovely Killa Vanilla for now
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I got the Mom & Pop RY4, and it is really yummy. I also put some of the Dekang RY4 into a dual coil carto and let it sit for a day, and I like that one too now. I can see why everyone like this flavor. It has a nice sweet nutty taste.
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Nearly done with my bottle of AVE Raf, BWB is steeping away (on week 3 or so) and I ordered a nice bottle of Vaperite Organic and some prefilled Volt for my 808. Good stuff! Thanks again for the great thread.
Thanks to Bill and this thread, I have some PV4 on the way (along with several other Prime Vaping juices) . . . 
Bill, I may grow to hate you. 
Bill, I may grow to hate you.
That's also been my experience with Dekang. I think one of the other variables is that different vendors have different handling of the juice. Cignot seems to turn it around pretty quickly, whereas Madvapes has enough inventory depth to have it sitting around for a couple weeks. Either way, the Dekang RY4 is, in my experience, reasonably consistent in that it needs to steep a bit before it becomes a really yummy juice. I think I mentioned my initial experience earlier in this thread, but I'll repeat it anyway - when I got my first bit of RY4 from Cignot, it tasted like chemical-burn or something - it was pretty foul. As many of us do, I put it in my "juice box" with the bottles of other samples/flavours that I didn't like. About a month later, I stumbled on this thread. Bill's glowing review of Dekang at the time inspired me to try it again.
I was shocked at just how much the character had changed and how absolutely delicious it is. The Dekang RY4 pretty much became my daily-vape at that point, and it still is. One of my favourite things about it is that its character is flexible, and does useful things at different heat levels. I generally use CE2s at around 3Ω on a Darwin, and running it cool (4.7Watts/3.7Volts), the sweetness is pronounced, but not overpowering. When I run it hotter (7.3Watts/4.7Volts), the tobacco tone is prominent and the sweetness remains, but more in the background. That relationship works as I continue to turn up the heat, up to around 12-ish Watts (6 Volts, give or take), when it's just "too" hot, and some of the chemical undertones return. It's wonderfully flexible that way, and certainly has a greater range than many of the other flavours I've tried.
I've read the reviews on page one of this thread and 20 or so posts from the June 2011 portion of the thread. Now I have a question. What would you guys recommend for a guy who likes RY4, but wants a smooth throat hit? I have AwesomeVapor RY4 but it's 100% PG and a little harsh on the throat hit side for me. I am vaping Arno's 100% PG Camel juice as a daily vape right now and letting the RY4 mellow.
For an example of a juice with throat hit I like, that would be on the order of BWB Applewood and Malty Toffee. I use Boge LR Cartos at 3.4v on an eGo and also have a variable voltage box mod. Maybe I just answered my own question. I'll try the AV RY4 at a lower voltage on the box mod and see if that lessens the TH.
Still, I'd like some input on what RY4 is good in a Boge LR carto without knocking my socks off with throat hit? I was an ultra-lite smoker.
For an example of a juice with throat hit I like, that would be on the order of BWB Applewood and Malty Toffee. I use Boge LR Cartos at 3.4v on an eGo and also have a variable voltage box mod. Maybe I just answered my own question. I'll try the AV RY4 at a lower voltage on the box mod and see if that lessens the TH.
Still, I'd like some input on what RY4 is good in a Boge LR carto without knocking my socks off with throat hit? I was an ultra-lite smoker.
rusty,
Great post. You make numerous points that are important and worthy of everyone's keeping in mind.
Steeping time matters and is quite different from one juice to another. Sometimes even the same juice bought from the same vendor during different inventory periods will vary widely in steeping improvement. Even juices that initially make us scrunch up our faces in dismay deserve a second chance some weeks or months down the road. Not every juice is improved by steeping---some are simply losers for us---but others are shockingly better, given sufficient time for the flavorings to mature, meld, and transform the overall taste into something yummy.
Other considerations you mention matter also, such as delivery devices and power output. A 3.2V-regulated eGo battery powering a standard-resistance carto puts out only about 3.4 watts. Tough for me to imagine any juice being delicious at such low power. Gotta have sufficient whomp to pleasurably vaporize the flavors in eliquids. That means higher voltage and/or lower resistance for more watts.
None of my reviews are done using 3.7V devices, simply because I am committed to higher voltage and more power. I do have four mosfet-regulated 3.7V eGo batts---and they're OK---but I don't use them for review. Most of what I vape every day is in the 9-12 watt range. I also have three 5V-regulated box mods, and I sometimes use standard-resistance cartos on them (from 2.6-3.0 ohms) for an output of 8 watts, but even that is rare, and in that configuration I use only juices that I know to be delicious at lower power.
My reviews don't account for these differences for a couple reasons. First, this isn't rocket science, and I'm not wearing a research lab coat. I just want to give people a sense of what different juices are like in the usual ways I vape them. Also, I'm lazy. I spend too much time on this thread already, and the last thing I'd be willing to do is review every juice at four or five different power outputs. For me, that's way too much damned trouble. The KISS rule (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) applies here as elsewhere.
Still, newer vapers need to learn (and remember) that power matters hugely in how juices taste and satisfy (or don't). Generally speaking, higher power is better. That's why I own 12 variable-voltage box mods, and also why I run all seven of my 18650 tube mods using higher-voltage battery configurations---at least 4.8 volts (by using the special nimh batteries) or even 6+ volts (using stacked rcr123a or 16340 batteries).
When my unregulated SLB eGo-clone batteries or single-14500 box mods fall below 4.0 volts, I slap 'em on the recharger, because the difference between a freshly-charged battery providing 4.2 volts and a mid-charge battery putting out only 3.8 volts is like night and day to me. It's that obvious.
Great post. You make numerous points that are important and worthy of everyone's keeping in mind.
Steeping time matters and is quite different from one juice to another. Sometimes even the same juice bought from the same vendor during different inventory periods will vary widely in steeping improvement. Even juices that initially make us scrunch up our faces in dismay deserve a second chance some weeks or months down the road. Not every juice is improved by steeping---some are simply losers for us---but others are shockingly better, given sufficient time for the flavorings to mature, meld, and transform the overall taste into something yummy.
Other considerations you mention matter also, such as delivery devices and power output. A 3.2V-regulated eGo battery powering a standard-resistance carto puts out only about 3.4 watts. Tough for me to imagine any juice being delicious at such low power. Gotta have sufficient whomp to pleasurably vaporize the flavors in eliquids. That means higher voltage and/or lower resistance for more watts.
None of my reviews are done using 3.7V devices, simply because I am committed to higher voltage and more power. I do have four mosfet-regulated 3.7V eGo batts---and they're OK---but I don't use them for review. Most of what I vape every day is in the 9-12 watt range. I also have three 5V-regulated box mods, and I sometimes use standard-resistance cartos on them (from 2.6-3.0 ohms) for an output of 8 watts, but even that is rare, and in that configuration I use only juices that I know to be delicious at lower power.
My reviews don't account for these differences for a couple reasons. First, this isn't rocket science, and I'm not wearing a research lab coat. I just want to give people a sense of what different juices are like in the usual ways I vape them. Also, I'm lazy. I spend too much time on this thread already, and the last thing I'd be willing to do is review every juice at four or five different power outputs. For me, that's way too much damned trouble. The KISS rule (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) applies here as elsewhere.
Still, newer vapers need to learn (and remember) that power matters hugely in how juices taste and satisfy (or don't). Generally speaking, higher power is better. That's why I own 12 variable-voltage box mods, and also why I run all seven of my 18650 tube mods using higher-voltage battery configurations---at least 4.8 volts (by using the special nimh batteries) or even 6+ volts (using stacked rcr123a or 16340 batteries).
When my unregulated SLB eGo-clone batteries or single-14500 box mods fall below 4.0 volts, I slap 'em on the recharger, because the difference between a freshly-charged battery providing 4.2 volts and a mid-charge battery putting out only 3.8 volts is like night and day to me. It's that obvious.
Dave,
One might assume that, since you like the throat hit of Applewood and Malty Toffee, you would have a similar experience with BackwoodsBrew RY4, but actually I don't think so. BWB RY4 hits fairly hard.
In general, two variables matter here: nicotine concentration and PG/VG blend. Lower nicotine percentage equals less throat hit. Similarly, PG has more inherent throat hit than VG, so upping the percentage of VG in the base ratio of any RY4 should reduce the throat hit.
Of the two variables, I think that nicotine content is the easier road to happiness. I don't know what nic concentration you're using now, but try cutting it in half. If you've got 24mg/ml juices, try 12mg/ml. If 18mg, try 9.
Hope that helps.
Ave Juice, even the RAF can have a wonderful TH even with 100% VG and low nic. Not sure how he does it, but he does and it is wonderful! I am curious to see how the TH compares with RAF when my vaperite and smokeless image get here. BWB TH at 12mg nic is a nice combination also IMHO
One that has not been reviewed yet, but I like very much is Crystal Clear Vaping's RY4. It is a light flavor without being a dessert vape. Andrew uses mostly (85% I think) VG. I usually vape C.C.V.'s Ry4 in the morning when I don't need the robust flavor of QuickNic's RY4 or the dessert flavor of Mom & Pop's RY4.
Another one that hasn't been reviewed is Mom & Pop Vapor Shop's RY4v2 (a second version I like even better). RY4v2 has less of the caramel, and slightly more vanilla and tobacco than their original RY4. If you like Applewood, I think you will like this sweet, mellow tobacco vape. Not overpowering or harsh.
Another good RY4 that bill hasn't gotten to is NHaler Octane High Voltage R Why Not. It has a mild tobacco, complimented with a sweetness from the caramel and vanilla.
None of the above are harsh and none would be considered dessert vapes. They are all very good and I can handle them any time of the day (I never could smoke in the morning, so I need the mild vapes then).
hangdude,
OK, you got me. I was waiting for Black Friday sales to get another 10ml bottle of MomandPop RY4 (I'm actually vaping some of that lovely RY4 every day, to my great surprise), but M&P didn't do a Black Friday sale, so I was back to waiting mode. But then you mentioned the new RY4v2, so I broke down and used the ECFROCKS coupon to get 15% off and ordered 20mls of both.
Every time I go to the Mom&Pop site, I want to email them about the snafu in their juice pricing. A 10ml bottle is $4.99 or 50¢/ml. A 30ml bottle is $14.99---again, 50¢/ml. But their 15ml bottles are $9.99, which is 75¢/ml. What??? Wrong.
I like M&P's juices a lot, but I have to wonder about anyone who starts a business and makes an obvious mistake like that, and then goes for six months without catching it? Someone's not paying attention.
Just between you and me, hang, don't hold your breath waiting for me to order anything from nHaler. Some vendors' prices just get my hackles up, and nHaler is one of them. I mean, six bucks for plastic drip tip? C'mon man!
On the other hand, if any individual (hint, hint, wink, wink) wanted to mail me 3ml sample bottles of CCV RY4 and R Why Not (or any other RY4 not yet reviewed and ranked), I happen to have a small stash (about 900mls) of 50-some RY4s from which I could mail sample bottles in return. LOL.
OK, you got me. I was waiting for Black Friday sales to get another 10ml bottle of MomandPop RY4 (I'm actually vaping some of that lovely RY4 every day, to my great surprise), but M&P didn't do a Black Friday sale, so I was back to waiting mode. But then you mentioned the new RY4v2, so I broke down and used the ECFROCKS coupon to get 15% off and ordered 20mls of both.
Every time I go to the Mom&Pop site, I want to email them about the snafu in their juice pricing. A 10ml bottle is $4.99 or 50¢/ml. A 30ml bottle is $14.99---again, 50¢/ml. But their 15ml bottles are $9.99, which is 75¢/ml. What??? Wrong.
I like M&P's juices a lot, but I have to wonder about anyone who starts a business and makes an obvious mistake like that, and then goes for six months without catching it? Someone's not paying attention.
Just between you and me, hang, don't hold your breath waiting for me to order anything from nHaler. Some vendors' prices just get my hackles up, and nHaler is one of them. I mean, six bucks for plastic drip tip? C'mon man!
On the other hand, if any individual (hint, hint, wink, wink) wanted to mail me 3ml sample bottles of CCV RY4 and R Why Not (or any other RY4 not yet reviewed and ranked), I happen to have a small stash (about 900mls) of 50-some RY4s from which I could mail sample bottles in return. LOL.
Mom and Pop noted on their thread that the pricing is due to how much they pay for 15ml bottles. They are looking for a new bottle vendor now. No, it doesn't make alot of sense, but I only order 10s and 30s from them. The RY4v2 is much more of a tobacco vape. Tami is an awesome mixologist.
About the NHaler, I can send you some. I have been planning on sending you some DIY Flavorshack RY4. It is not for me, but I like almost everything else she makes. Sort of like Copper Creek. I don't like their RY4s (Twisted and VooDoo), but love every other flavor I've tried from her. I only have about a ml of CCV's RY4. You'll have to buy that one.
About the NHaler, I can send you some. I have been planning on sending you some DIY Flavorshack RY4. It is not for me, but I like almost everything else she makes. Sort of like Copper Creek. I don't like their RY4s (Twisted and VooDoo), but love every other flavor I've tried from her. I only have about a ml of CCV's RY4. You'll have to buy that one.
I'm really liking the Mom & Pop's RY4 I got yesterday. I also tried their Tobacco Haze, which tastes very similar to RY4.
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After reading your post, I searched for (and found) the two posts (by Scubac00da, who is presumably "Pop") containing the "explanation"---or whatever it is---on the Mom&Pop supplier thread. All I can say is that it doesn't pass the litmus test of BS. You can go on eBay and buy 15ml plastic dropper bottles in lots of 100 for 40¢ each, and that's not even wholesale. Are we to believe that M&P paid $2.49 more than they should have for empty 15ml bottles that cost 40¢ each, and are now passing on to customers the extra cost of their own screw-up? That's ridiculous. Something else is going on, and whatever it is must be really stupid.
At least Scubac00da acknowledged the obvious---that people are better off buying two 10ml bottles of the same juice rather than one 15ml bottle. As if we couldn't figure that out ourselves. At any rate, I hope M&P get their problem resolved soon and change the pricing on their web site, because just seeing that weirdness aggravates the hell out of me every time.
Lucky for us that Mom and Pop's juice is better than their business savvy.
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That's because they're paying an extra high price for the mid-sized bottles and haven't found a consistant wholesale price like the other 2 sizes.
See this post:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/mom-pop-vapor-shop/204833-new-kid-block-mom-pop-vapor-shop-ecf-discounts-266.html#post4621831
You know what? Never mind. See my next post.
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