The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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As promised, a quick comparison of MOV CountRY4 and Longbottom Leaf:
LBL is definitely on the aromatic and dry side. Only a hint of sweetness, on the very end of the exhale. I actually got this in a swap and hadn't tried it until now because the smell of it in the bottle was a bit off-putting. My mistake: this is actually really interesting. There's a complex pungency to LBL ending in that delicate sweetness at the end that has me wondering if I imagined it. But the main vape, the inhale and 90% of the exhale, is utterly unsweet. Does that make sense?
vaping MOV CountRY4 and trying to mentally subtract the caramel and vanilla...still isn't bringing any similarities to mind. MOV is "warmer", more round, and with that spiciness that may or may not be cumin (we can argue about that later LOL). LBL is sharper to my taste Both are really unique but in very different ways.
That didn't really solve anything, did it
LBL is definitely on the aromatic and dry side. Only a hint of sweetness, on the very end of the exhale. I actually got this in a swap and hadn't tried it until now because the smell of it in the bottle was a bit off-putting. My mistake: this is actually really interesting. There's a complex pungency to LBL ending in that delicate sweetness at the end that has me wondering if I imagined it. But the main vape, the inhale and 90% of the exhale, is utterly unsweet. Does that make sense?
vaping MOV CountRY4 and trying to mentally subtract the caramel and vanilla...still isn't bringing any similarities to mind. MOV is "warmer", more round, and with that spiciness that may or may not be cumin (we can argue about that later LOL). LBL is sharper to my taste Both are really unique but in very different ways.
That didn't really solve anything, did it
Unfortunately Joogler Juice is closing up shop. That sucks so if you want Joogler's Blend/Clint Vapewood etc. Better go get it
...a thumbs up here. Toasty and mild, though the toastiness does fade after vaping for a little while. ...more cigarette-like than any other I can remember.
Of the qualities I would attribute to the eleven-or-so Mountain Oak Vapor juices I've tried---most of them tobaccos from a sampler pack that the hangdude mailed me, plus some beta-test juices that Le Dean and Steve kindly provided for my opinion---I'd put subtlety at the head of the list, followed by softness. Nothing sharp at all about MOV juices to me. They're not gym-workout hard-bodies, more Marilyn Monroe rounded and curvy, although not nearly as voluptuous as MM. At least, that's the way I experience CountRY-4.
Sounds like Longbottom Leaf is a more straight-ahead tobacco, with less spice and greater punch and bite.
(I forget---do people actually inhale pipe tobacco into their lungs or just only as far as the mouth before exhaling? If the latter, then might pipe tobaccos be more rough and hardy, as a complement to being aromatic? I never smoked a pipe, except as a brief experiment in pretentiousness in college.)
Sounds like Longbottom Leaf is a more straight-ahead tobacco, with less spice and greater punch and bite.
(I forget---do people actually inhale pipe tobacco into their lungs or just only as far as the mouth before exhaling? If the latter, then might pipe tobaccos be more rough and hardy, as a complement to being aromatic? I never smoked a pipe, except as a brief experiment in pretentiousness in college.)
I just meant the tobacco (part) flavor had similar qualities. More like ...mov smooth and mild or ten. original, has a similar tob. flavor to lbl. They don't taste the same
Epipemods. Also said they're coming out the sample pack this week next week btw
Epipemods. Also said they're coming out the sample pack this week next week btw
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Yeah, I know. That's why I was trying to imagine it (MOV) without the sweetness.
Cool Breeze, thanks for the rec. VS is on the long, long list of vendors I need to try. I've heard enough raves about their VS4, Tampa, Frisco, etc. that I really need to get on that.
I have tried Tampa, Texas, phoenix,, ry4....I still have Dover, vs4, and frisco to try. Ry4 being my fav so far.
I know everyone says Tampa and Texas are the most cig like ejuice but I don't think think so. They are watered down. I like them but other ta juices taste closer to a cig than those. My opinion
I know everyone says Tampa and Texas are the most cig like ejuice but I don't think think so. They are watered down. I like them but other ta juices taste closer to a cig than those. My opinion
I received a package in the mail yesterday (Friday). The backstory that goes with it is worth sharing.
On Sunday, August 19th, I got a PM from Snus, an ECF member and thread poster here, who asked if she could mail me a small juice sample from a bottle of Essence Liquid Gold from eliquidplanet to get my opinion. She explained that she liked the liquid a lot, and that ELP likened it to an RY4. I responded and said sure, go ahead, and that I'd let her know what I thought of the liquid, as well as perhaps reviewing it for this thread.
I immediately went to the ELP site and read the description of Liquid Gold from their Essence line of juices: "If you like RY4 we think you may enjoy this flavor also. Give it a try today!" No other description of the flavor was offered. Then I checked to see if ELP sells an RY4, and I found three: an RY3, an RY4, and an all-VG version of RY4.
From there I went to the Contact page and left a message, explaining about the The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread and who I was, and telling them that another poster on the thread was mailing me some Essence Liquid Gold for review, if it seemed like an RY4 to me. Then I asked if they might consider sending me a sample of their RY4, so I could compare it to Liquid Gold and post reviews of both. I also stated that I understood if sending out free samples for review was not within their policies.
OK, cut to Friday, August 24th. I got the package from Snus containing a 15 ml bottle of Essence Liquid Gold, which had about 3ml of juice left. I decided to wait a day before trying it, in case eliquidplanet might contact me (presumably via email). As of today, I've received no response from ELP.
Now, I don't want to be snotty or sarcastic. All I know is that I received no response. I don't know what the people at ELP thought about my Contact message or if anyone even read it.
I've now sampled the Essence Liquid Gold (and PM'd Snus with my reactions). It's a straightforward sweet tobacco blend, and quite OK as such, but it's definitely not an RY4. I taste no vanilla at all and the barest smidgen of caramel, if any. But what I taste might be sweetener rather than caramel. I simply can't tell. It's a nice vape, and I can understand why Snus likes it so much. But even the most subtle RY4 I know of---which is probably rwvapor RY4, one of my new faves---has sufficient caramel and vanilla to clearly taste those flavorings in the mix.
Anyway, since Liquid Gold is not an RY4, I'm not going to review it here on the thread. No harm, no foul.
My thanks to Snus for going to the trouble of sending it to me.
On Sunday, August 19th, I got a PM from Snus, an ECF member and thread poster here, who asked if she could mail me a small juice sample from a bottle of Essence Liquid Gold from eliquidplanet to get my opinion. She explained that she liked the liquid a lot, and that ELP likened it to an RY4. I responded and said sure, go ahead, and that I'd let her know what I thought of the liquid, as well as perhaps reviewing it for this thread.
I immediately went to the ELP site and read the description of Liquid Gold from their Essence line of juices: "If you like RY4 we think you may enjoy this flavor also. Give it a try today!" No other description of the flavor was offered. Then I checked to see if ELP sells an RY4, and I found three: an RY3, an RY4, and an all-VG version of RY4.
From there I went to the Contact page and left a message, explaining about the The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread and who I was, and telling them that another poster on the thread was mailing me some Essence Liquid Gold for review, if it seemed like an RY4 to me. Then I asked if they might consider sending me a sample of their RY4, so I could compare it to Liquid Gold and post reviews of both. I also stated that I understood if sending out free samples for review was not within their policies.
OK, cut to Friday, August 24th. I got the package from Snus containing a 15 ml bottle of Essence Liquid Gold, which had about 3ml of juice left. I decided to wait a day before trying it, in case eliquidplanet might contact me (presumably via email). As of today, I've received no response from ELP.
Now, I don't want to be snotty or sarcastic. All I know is that I received no response. I don't know what the people at ELP thought about my Contact message or if anyone even read it.
I've now sampled the Essence Liquid Gold (and PM'd Snus with my reactions). It's a straightforward sweet tobacco blend, and quite OK as such, but it's definitely not an RY4. I taste no vanilla at all and the barest smidgen of caramel, if any. But what I taste might be sweetener rather than caramel. I simply can't tell. It's a nice vape, and I can understand why Snus likes it so much. But even the most subtle RY4 I know of---which is probably rwvapor RY4, one of my new faves---has sufficient caramel and vanilla to clearly taste those flavorings in the mix.
Anyway, since Liquid Gold is not an RY4, I'm not going to review it here on the thread. No harm, no foul.
My thanks to Snus for going to the trouble of sending it to me.
specs: The 30ml bottle of Bauway RY4 I purchased from indyvaporshop is an amber-orange transparent liquid, 24mg nic strength, in an unspecified PG/VG base ratio. Id guess around 80/20 from the viscosity. Testing was performed using a Boge LR 2.2 ohm carto on a ProVari set to 4.3 volts for 8.4 watts of vaping power.
Recently I wanted to get another small bottle of Halo Tribeca for my RY4 stash/collection/museum. Id been sent a 3ml bottle of Tribeca originally (last year) by another thread poster. That bottle contained only 2ml, enough for a review and one more carto fill. I didnt care that I had so little, because I disliked Tribeca initially. Why? Not because of the recipe mix---which was delicious---but because of Halos signature purity base tone---which tastes like solvent or hospital sick-room disinfectant to my brain, and overwhelmed the flavorings. But, after many months of steeping (meaning that it sat quietly in my RY4 cabinet), that undertone diminished to the vanishing point, and then Tribeca won me over with its yumminess. As a result, I wanted to restock it in my stash.
Since I felt taht $6 was a bit high for a 7ml sample bottle (Halos price), I googled Tribeca and discovered that indyvaporshop sold it for $4.95, which I subsequently ordered. While on the indyvaporshop site, I noticed a sale (maybe a closeout) on Bauway RY4---$9.95 for 60ml. Hmmm. Another authentic Chinese RY4. OK, Ill bite. Taking one for the team, so to speak.
Today I loaded up a carto and tried it. To my complete surprise, what I got on my first toke of Bauway RY4 was the very same solvent/acetone/disinfectant/bug spray base tone that I get from Halo tobacco juices! Quite a shock, since Id never gotten that tone from any juices other than Halos.
There must be something genetic about this. Some of us must have genes that interpret the Halo/Bauway base tone as pure and clean, while others of us (presumably a smaller percentage) have genes that interpret it as toxic weirdness. For me, its more a smell than a flavor, although I cant smell it when I sniff, only when I vape.
Underneath that (or on top of it, whatever) Bauway RY4 seems a very pleasant mix of flavors, but I just cant get past that base tone, so I wont even try to give it a proper review or a grade. Ill just put it away uncapped in the cupboard for a month or two to see if---as happened wonderfully with Tribeca---the base tone diminishes or goes away entirely.
So, rather than cast any undeserved aspersions in the direction of Halo or Bauway, let me say simply that you need the right genes to appreciate their juices. Obviously, many vapers go cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs over Halo e-liquids, and Im pretty sure that those folks and others might find Bauway RY4 just as good.
Bauway RY4 is on sale at indyvaporshop right now---60ml/24mg for $9.95. That's a heck of a price. If you have the right genes, you might like it a lot. Get some before its gone.
link to purchase: Sale! Bauway RY4 60ml/24mg $9.95
Recently I wanted to get another small bottle of Halo Tribeca for my RY4 stash/collection/museum. Id been sent a 3ml bottle of Tribeca originally (last year) by another thread poster. That bottle contained only 2ml, enough for a review and one more carto fill. I didnt care that I had so little, because I disliked Tribeca initially. Why? Not because of the recipe mix---which was delicious---but because of Halos signature purity base tone---which tastes like solvent or hospital sick-room disinfectant to my brain, and overwhelmed the flavorings. But, after many months of steeping (meaning that it sat quietly in my RY4 cabinet), that undertone diminished to the vanishing point, and then Tribeca won me over with its yumminess. As a result, I wanted to restock it in my stash.
Since I felt taht $6 was a bit high for a 7ml sample bottle (Halos price), I googled Tribeca and discovered that indyvaporshop sold it for $4.95, which I subsequently ordered. While on the indyvaporshop site, I noticed a sale (maybe a closeout) on Bauway RY4---$9.95 for 60ml. Hmmm. Another authentic Chinese RY4. OK, Ill bite. Taking one for the team, so to speak.
Today I loaded up a carto and tried it. To my complete surprise, what I got on my first toke of Bauway RY4 was the very same solvent/acetone/disinfectant/bug spray base tone that I get from Halo tobacco juices! Quite a shock, since Id never gotten that tone from any juices other than Halos.
There must be something genetic about this. Some of us must have genes that interpret the Halo/Bauway base tone as pure and clean, while others of us (presumably a smaller percentage) have genes that interpret it as toxic weirdness. For me, its more a smell than a flavor, although I cant smell it when I sniff, only when I vape.
Underneath that (or on top of it, whatever) Bauway RY4 seems a very pleasant mix of flavors, but I just cant get past that base tone, so I wont even try to give it a proper review or a grade. Ill just put it away uncapped in the cupboard for a month or two to see if---as happened wonderfully with Tribeca---the base tone diminishes or goes away entirely.
So, rather than cast any undeserved aspersions in the direction of Halo or Bauway, let me say simply that you need the right genes to appreciate their juices. Obviously, many vapers go cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs over Halo e-liquids, and Im pretty sure that those folks and others might find Bauway RY4 just as good.
Bauway RY4 is on sale at indyvaporshop right now---60ml/24mg for $9.95. That's a heck of a price. If you have the right genes, you might like it a lot. Get some before its gone.
link to purchase: Sale! Bauway RY4 60ml/24mg $9.95
Hey, I just did a gonzo experiment that worked, amazingly enough.
I took a DIY mix using primarily RY4 Double (with a drop or two of Vape Wizard, Bitter Wizard, and Acetyl Pyrazine) and combined it in a 1:1 mix with some Bauway RY4. The result was very interesting, to say the least. Not only was the flavor of the new concoction better than either juice alone, but the solvent/disinfectant taste and smell from the Bauway RY4 was reduced by half. Curiously, my brain stopped interpreting it as "yucko," and began telling me that it tasted "clean." I think that might be similar to the way some people react to adding a little mint or menthol to their juice blends to "freshen up" the flavor.
It appears that my reaction to the Halo/Bauway base is not cast in stone. Rather, it's a sensitivity thing: my brain reads the base flavor as "turned up too high," and therefore distorted (unpleasant). When I "turn the volume down" (diluting it by half), it "sounds more like music than distorted noise" (tastes better).
Who would'a thunk it?
I can remember times in my life when people would say to me, "You're too sensitive." Invariably, my thought upon getting subtly slammed with this criticism was always "No, you're too dulled out." LOL.
I took a DIY mix using primarily RY4 Double (with a drop or two of Vape Wizard, Bitter Wizard, and Acetyl Pyrazine) and combined it in a 1:1 mix with some Bauway RY4. The result was very interesting, to say the least. Not only was the flavor of the new concoction better than either juice alone, but the solvent/disinfectant taste and smell from the Bauway RY4 was reduced by half. Curiously, my brain stopped interpreting it as "yucko," and began telling me that it tasted "clean." I think that might be similar to the way some people react to adding a little mint or menthol to their juice blends to "freshen up" the flavor.
It appears that my reaction to the Halo/Bauway base is not cast in stone. Rather, it's a sensitivity thing: my brain reads the base flavor as "turned up too high," and therefore distorted (unpleasant). When I "turn the volume down" (diluting it by half), it "sounds more like music than distorted noise" (tastes better).
Who would'a thunk it?
I can remember times in my life when people would say to me, "You're too sensitive." Invariably, my thought upon getting subtly slammed with this criticism was always "No, you're too dulled out." LOL.
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roxette,
Either that or take it to Japan and leave it in front of Containment Building #5 of the damaged nuclear reactor whose name ECF won't let me write for about three seconds.
Either that or take it to Japan and leave it in front of Containment Building #5 of the damaged nuclear reactor whose name ECF won't let me write for about three seconds.
Bill, have you try other liquids from halo ? ive been thinking about placing a small order directly from the website (i buy it locally) because i see a lot of happy faces around lately regarding halo either because of the free juice or maybe they change something ? its been in my head cause ogredog in all the reviews he made there no was mention of weird or chemical notes.
either because of the free juice or maybe they change something ? its been in my head cause ogredog in all the reviews he made there no was mention of weird or chemical notes.
FeelLife Bioscience RY4.
They also make that e-solid I have yet to try ....So I found this one on the classifieds 10 bucks for 30mls and I think the person has more....I checked my sources first and they informed me its China juice so I jumped on it, hey you never know you may find the lost and forsaken......This one has got me with not many words, first off Ill say I do like it ....its mixed good, I mean real good and there is a sharp and sour to it, its light but yet has a kick, I may be having a hard time describing it because it reminds me of Ikenvape Gold but just with less flavor but yet its different....do I feel life? Yup because I only spent 10 bucks on a pretty good China RY4 
E-liquid | Flavor Concentrate | E-Liquid By Flavor | E-Solid | Feellife
billherbst really "solvent/asstone/disinfectant/bug spray base tone" now thats what I am talking about, I liked the tone of your voice right there I added a little kicker to my version hope you dont mind lol
They also make that e-solid I have yet to try
....So I found this one on the classifieds 10 bucks for 30mls and I think the person has more....I checked my sources first and they informed me its China juice so I jumped on it, hey you never know you may find the lost and forsaken......This one has got me with not many words, first off Ill say I do like it ....its mixed good, I mean real good and there is a sharp and sour to it, its light but yet has a kick, I may be having a hard time describing it because it reminds me of Ikenvape Gold but just with less flavor but yet its different....do I feel life? Yup because I only spent 10 bucks on a pretty good China RY4 E-liquid | Flavor Concentrate | E-Liquid By Flavor | E-Solid | Feellife
billherbst really "solvent/asstone/disinfectant/bug spray base tone" now thats what I am talking about, I liked the tone of your voice right there
I added a little kicker to my version hope you dont mind lol
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Somebody was asking about RY4s with a heavy caramel a short time ago. I am not going to search who, because I don't wanna.
I got RYW4 and RYJ4 from MaddCatt Vapors last week. I tried the RYW4 last night, and it has the gooey caramel that person was looking for. I would guess it is a caramel tobacco, but it might have a little vanilla in there.
I am planning on trying the RYJ4 soon, and I will review them both at that time. Then off to Bill they will go...
I got RYW4 and RYJ4 from MaddCatt Vapors last week. I tried the RYW4 last night, and it has the gooey caramel that person was looking for. I would guess it is a caramel tobacco, but it might have a little vanilla in there.
I am planning on trying the RYJ4 soon, and I will review them both at that time. Then off to Bill they will go...
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