The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Eleanor, Hah! Cheez Whiz is how I get my dog to take her pill. I make a sandwich: 2 little pieces of Beggin Strips spread with Cheez Whiz with a pill stuck in the middle. I can just see my cat thinking "You dumb sucker!"

Bill, so these are your current RY4 faves? RWVapors RY4, Vapor..... RY4, and CrystalELiquid RY4 Double tobacco. I haven't vaped any of them, will have to give them a try.


Man I would even try that sandwich lol

If nobody is interested in this it' cool, I would just like to see a lot of the roundup family/regulars opinions on your favs. Yes its my thread.....

There is a top 5 ry4 catergory lol so that makes it related!


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/330272-your-1s-list-them.html
 

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RY4 has many faces its not just made from one company.....are you saying its nothing like a RY4? I may have to agree since sausage is not suppose to be there hahahah


Tribecca is NOTHING like RY4. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I´ve smoked on Dekang 4 and it invariably makes me cough and headaches. While Tribecca is milder, sweeter... Dryer than other Halo juices. I´m glad, I love them and they´re widely available here...
 
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Susaz:7142777 said:

I actually traded tezcatlipoca for some freedom juice. It still has a little of that odd base but its like longhorn way toned down. Not bad.

Turkish is good. Tribeca is good. Belgian Cocoa is good but fake. Tiki juice is just a wild child lol midnight apple ok. Still want to try torque and prime....but I don't want to buy them lol

What the heck? I didn't write null my phone did lol weird
 

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If nobody is interested in this it' cool, I would just like to see a lot of the roundup family/regulars opinions on your favs. Yes its my thread.....

C'mon, dog, we're all interested. Wouldn't matter if there weren't an RY4 Top 5 category, but it's nice that you included it.
 

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Bill, so these are your current RY4 faves? RWVapors RY4, Vapor..... RY4, and CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco. I haven't vaped any of them, will have to give them a try.

Sandy,

Yes, RWVapors RY4, Vapor..... RY4, and CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco are my current faves among the "new crop" of RY4s that have appeared in 2012. I note them by name because those three are the specific juices that rejuvenated my appreciation of RY4 and have rejoined my daily stable of 30-or-so eliquids after a long period of palate exhaustion from vaping and reviewing so many RY4s.

I still have high regard for many of the "golden oldies," including VaporTalk Dulcis, KickBassVapor RY4, Bloog/SmokelessImage RY4, or VapeRite VR4, and I wouldn't feel right about slighting the time-honored legends, specifically Janty RY4, Dekang RY4, and Ikenvape RY4 Gold.

Basically, I like at least half of all the RY4s I've reviewed, which is now just about to pass 100. Some time back, I posted that I might retire from the thread when I hit the hundred mark, but---as it turns out---the only thing I've stopped doing is buying RY4s. LOL. As long as people keep sending new RY4s to me, I'll keep reviewing them.
 

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specs: The 10ml bottle of MadHatter RYW4 and 5ml bottle of MadHatter RYJ4 from MaddCatt Vapors that thehangdude graciously sent to me (thanks, dude!) both contain light amber-colored transparent liquids at 18mg nic strength in 50/50 PG/VG bases. Both are slightly thicker in viscosity than I would consider typical for a 50/50 base blend. Testing was done using two identical 2.7 ohm Ultimate CE2 clearomizers powered by Young-June Vtubes (black v1.5t and chrome v2.0) set to 4.7 volts, for an output of 8.2 watts each.

These are both custom RY4s. The letters “W” and “J” in the names presumably designate first initials of the respective MaddCatt co-owners who created each juice, but I don't know that for sure. On-site descriptions are as follows:

“MaddCatt RyW4 - Our best selling Ry4 blend”
“MaddCatt RyJ4 - An Ry4 blend that is sweeter and more full-flavored”


When I opened the bottle of MaddHatter RYW4 to fill the clearomizer, I was greeted by a surprisingly strong smell I can best relate as “Breakfast at Dennys”---basically pancakes and syrup. (That's a reference to late-night truck-stop-diner runs from my college days more than 40 years ago.) My brain added a hint of biscuits and pork sausage gravy, but I’m sure that was from memory association floating up rather than the juice itself. My first reactive thought was, “Jeez, I hope this doesn’t taste like it smells.” Not that pancakes and syrup is a bad aroma, but it's definitely not RY4.

Happily, RYW4 didn’t taste like it smelled.

RYW4 is defined by its caramel. I was going use the word “plain” to describe it, but that feels wrong. Instead, the caramel is, I think, better thought of as focused. It’s neither rich nor particularly sweet, but it leads the flavor profile, with tobacco coming up strongly upon inhale and vanilla bringing up the rear on exhale, almost as an afterthought. The relative neutrality of the caramel makes RYW4 a good candidate for an all-day-vape. One could vape this juice for a long time before succumbing to palate exhaustion. And it’s good, too. Not superlative to me personally, but good.

I don’t know if the tobacco is synthetic or natural in either of these juices, but their tobaccos contain no off-notes or distracting flavor qualities. RYW4 is straight-ahead tobacco, just short of pedal-to-the-metal, but quite ample. The caramel and vanilla qualify it as an RY4, but it could almost be considered a tobacco blend.

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MadHatter RYJ4 is---as the site description states---a sweeter, dessert-style RY4. The caramel is different from RYW4, and the vanilla is both different and much more abundant. Tobacco is present, but considerably less strong than in RYW4.

Stated bluntly, I didn’t like RYJ4 nearly as much as I do RYW4. The “J” version is more a candy concoction with some tobacco added. Those whose palate leans toward sweeter, dessert-style RY4s may be quite pleased, but I wasn’t. Something in the flavor profile struck me as a tiny bit off. I didn’t feel that RYJ4 was bad (and believe me, I’ve vaped some bad RY4s), but I wanted to like this one more than I actually did. I’d still rate it somewhat above average, though, especially for vapers with a sweet tooth.

The tobacco-rich impact of RYW4 was more satisfying to me, along with the overall neutrality of the juice, which has a little sweetness, but not much. Along the scale from candy to tobacco, these two offerings lean strongly toward opposite ends of the spectrum, which is, I think, a good thing from the vendor’s standpoint. Why offer two RY4s that are simply variations on the same theme? Better to take each one to its logical limit and keep them separate and distinctly different, which is exactly what MaddCatt has done.

MaddCatt MaddHatter RYW4 grade: B+
MaddCatt MaddHatter RYJ4 grade: C+

Links to purchase:
MaddCatt RyW4
MaddCatt RyJ4
 

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Bill someone mentioned that vapor..... use Tobaco absolute but i really didnt feel and ive try both dark and mellow and our-y4 with double flavor; do you taste it ?

No, I can't identify Tobacco Absolute in any of the three Vapor..... juices I've tried---OuR-Y4, PV4, or Richard's Brew. I'm not suggesting that no Absolute is used in those juices, only that I can't taste or see it.

The vendors who come to mind when I think about Tobacco Absolute are MomandPopVaporShop and Moondrop. I can taste TA and see evidence of its yellow-green oiliness in Mom&Pop's 10Forty and Moondrop's Straight Up series.
 

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Bill, how do you like that Pluid I sent you? You can do a review here if you want. LoL

dude,

I haven't tried the Radiator Pluid yet. I've been stretching out your lovely care package for maximum pleasure. I'll try some Pluid right now and report back in as soon as I have a clear reaction.
 

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OK, I’m back.

I filled a 2.7 ohm Ultimate CE2 Clearomizer with Mad Murdock’s Radiator Pluid and put the clearo on a Young-June v1.5t Vtube at 4.7 volts for 8.2 watts of power.

Here’s what Murdock Rumi himself had to offer on another forum about his Radiator Pluid:

“When you first try it you will get a strong black licorice taste with subtle sweet fruity taste. The black licorice taste lingers in your mouth a bit and kind of over powers the other flavors. As you continue to vape, your tastebuds will start to get used to the black licorice and the juice will taste a bit more mellow and you start to taste the other flavors more.”​
I don’t know what the other flavors are (besides the very smooth and relatively subtle black licorice), but yes, I taste a basket of mixed fruits (where no single fruit flavor stands out), along with an overall sweetness to the juice. Not cloyingly sweet, but pleasingly so. All-day-vape kind of sweet.

I’ve read some speculation that one of the ingredients is TPA Koolada, but I’ve also read some posts denying that. There is definitely something in Pluid that provides a cooling and/or mouth-watering effect. Not menthol or mint, though.

hangdude: In the thread I quoted from, I saw that you won a bottle of Pluid in a contest that Murdock Rumi sponsored, so I presume that the smaller bottle you sent me was from that, and thus indirectly from Murdock himself. No nic strength or base blend was indicated on the bottle I have. I also saw that 310Vapors is selling (when available, which means not today) a diluted version of Pluid with half the flavoring and in only one nic strength---10mg---to reduce the throat hit and intensity of the flavor.

Assuming that what I’m vaping is full strength, I don’t find the either the throat hit or the flavor overwhelming or too much in any way.

This is good stuff. To call Pluid different is putting it mildly. The color alone---Ninja Turtle Toxic Sludge green, presumably meant to replicate the green of actual automotive antifreeze that is the juice’s quasi-namesake---is unique among all the juices I’ve ever vaped. The flavor, however, isn’t nearly as wild or unusual as one might be led to assume from threads about Pluid. I like it, but it’s not from another universe or anything like that. Put simply, Radiator Pluid is a tasty and satisfying vape.
 

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I am glad it won't get wasted with you bill.

Over the past eight months or so, I've developed an appreciation for fruit vapes. I think that's why Pluid is tasty to me. Licorice/anise isn't one of my favorite flavors, but I don't mind it, and the black licorice in Pluid is very subtle to my palate, so it's fine.

No, it won't get wasted. Thanks, dude! You're a prince.
 

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You're very welcome, glad you liked it and thank you for the review!

specs: The 5ml bottle of 100% USA-made VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4 that was sent to me for review by our colleague Jim Bob (thanks, JB!) contains a deep amber-colored but still transparent liquid (darker than many RY4s), at 24mg nic in a 70/e0 base blend. Testing was done using a 2.6 ohm CE3 bottom coil carto powered by a ProVari set to 4.1 volts to produce 6.5 watts (CE3 bottom coils prefer less watts and give superior performance at relatively low voltage).

If Tim, the owner of VaporBeast, writes his own copy for product descriptions on-site, then he must have read some of our thread, because his blurb is well-informed about RY4:

This RY4 mix has just enough sweetness to take you to the promised land! The tobacco base is rounded off with vanilla and hints of caramel. It's got that ‘sweet’ & ‘sour’ appeal at times, but its interesting because of its' chameleon characteristics. You will likely discover different flavors bursting out at different voltages as well as on different devices. This will likely be one of the best RY4 variations you have ever experienced. Discover why we named this juice the "Holy Grail."

Naming this Holy Grail RY4 implies one of two meanings, either specific or general. The specific meaning would be that this RY4 replicates the mythic “lost” Dekang RY4 from days of yore. If so, I can’t comment, because I wasn’t vaping then and never had any of the fabled Dekang. The more general meaning is that this juice is where the vaper’s quest ends for the best RY4 ever. On that one I can and will comment, since I’ve vaped and reviewed more than 80 RY4s.

When I began vaping Holy Grail RY4 for the first time as I started writing this review, my palate immediately picked up a flavor note that seemed odd to me. I think it's linked with the vanilla, but it might be the tobacco base, which I presume to be synthetic, since custom RY4s using natural tobacco extracts are usually defined as such. Anyway, that note took me aback. It wasn't terrible, per se, but my palate threw up a red flag. Within minutes, however, the strangeness of that flavor had nearly normalized itself in my brain. It's still present, but not offensive to me.

I can taste the core components---tobacco, vanilla, and caramel---but they are well-blended rather than distinct. Tobacco is the solid base flavor here, with an up-front presence, augmented by the vanilla, plus (as the description states) a hint of caramel. That’s a recipe profile I like, rather than the inverted profile of many classic RY4s where caramel predominates with support from the tobacco and a touch of vanilla. The sweet-sour contrast is very subtle, and while the juice is definitely sweet, I'm not sure I'd class this as a dessert-type RY4. It is, however, richer than many RY4s---the vanilla especially---even without extra flavoring added.

How good is it? Is this truly the Holy Grail of RY4s, or is that just another exercise in marketing hyperbole? Well, I like it, but I don't regard it as the Holy Grail. I'd put VaporBeast RY4 a bit below my current favorites: RWVapors RY4, Vapor..... RY4, and CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco.

This a very boldly flavorful RY4. Taste is subjective, of course, and varies too wildly to guarantee that everyone will like it, but I think most vapers who appreciate RY4 will enjoy this well-made juice. I guess that odd note from the vanilla could mar the experience for someone, but all the other elements are beautifully in place.

VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4 grade: A- (Edit: I've been vaping this enjoyably for hours, so I bumped the grade from B+ to A-)

Link to purchase: http://www.vaporbeast.com/Holy_Grail_RY4_Sweet_Tobacco_p/l4.htm
 

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I am a fan of Holy Grail, I have found it goes particularly well with a nice dark beer.
specs: The 5ml bottle of 100% USA-made VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4 that was sent to me for review by our colleague Jim Bob (thanks, JB!) contains a deep amber-colored but still transparent liquid (darker than many RY4s), at 24mg nic in a 70/e0 base blend. Testing was done using a 2.6 ohm CE3 bottom coil carto powered by a ProVari set to 4.1 volts to produce 6.5 watts (CE3 bottom coils prefer less watts and give superior performance at relatively low voltage).

If Tim, the owner of VaporBeast, writes his own copy for product descriptions on-site, then he must have read some of our thread, because his blurb is well-informed about RY4:

This RY4 mix has just enough sweetness to take you to the promised land! The tobacco base is rounded off with vanilla and hints of caramel. It's got that ‘sweet’ & ‘sour’ appeal at times, but its interesting because of its' chameleon characteristics. You will likely discover different flavors bursting out at different voltages as well as on different devices. This will likely be one of the best RY4 variations you have ever experienced. Discover why we named this juice the "Holy Grail."

Naming this Holy Grail RY4 implies one of two meanings, either specific or general. The specific meaning would be that this RY4 replicates the mythic “lost” Dekang RY4 from days of yore. If so, I can’t comment, because I wasn’t vaping then and never had any of the fabled Dekang. The more general meaning is that this juice is where the vaper’s quest ends for the best RY4 ever. On that one I can and will comment, since I’ve vaped and reviewed more than 80 RY4s.

When I began vaping Holy Grail RY4 for the first time as I started writing this review, my palate immediately picked up a flavor note that seemed odd to me. I think it's linked with the vanilla, but it might be the tobacco base, which I presume to be synthetic, since custom RY4s using natural tobacco extracts are usually defined as such. Anyway, that note took me aback. It wasn't terrible, per se, but my palate threw up a red flag. Within minutes, however, the strangeness of that flavor had nearly normalized itself in my brain. It's still present, but not offensive to me.

I can taste the core components---tobacco, vanilla, and caramel---but they are well-blended rather than distinct. Tobacco is the solid base flavor here, with an up-front presence, augmented by the vanilla, plus (as the description states) a hint of caramel. That’s a recipe profile I like, rather than the inverted profile of many classic RY4s where caramel predominates with support from the tobacco and a touch of vanilla. The sweet-sour contrast is very subtle, and while the juice is definitely sweet, I'm not sure I'd class this as a dessert-type RY4. It is, however, richer than many RY4s---the vanilla especially---even without extra flavoring added.

How good is it? Is this truly the Holy Grail of RY4s, or is that just another exercise in marketing hyperbole? Well, I like it, but I don't regard it as the Holy Grail. I'd put VaporBeast RY4 a bit below my current favorites: RWVapors RY4, Vapor..... RY4, and CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco.

This a very boldly flavorful RY4. Taste is subjective, of course, and varies too wildly to guarantee that everyone will like it, but I think most vapers who appreciate RY4 will enjoy this well-made juice. I guess that odd note from the vanilla could mar the experience for someone, but all the other elements are beautifully in place.

VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4 grade: A- (Edit: I've been vaping this enjoyably for hours, so I bumped the grade from B+ to A-)

Link to purchase: http://www.vaporbeast.com/Holy_Grail_RY4_Sweet_Tobacco_p/l4.htm
 

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I just read for the first time the ECF blurb at the top of the E-Liquid Reviews List:

CAUTION:
1. Some reviews are paid for by the vendor and therefore may not represent a truly independent view of the product. In some cases they are a form of advertising - and adverts don't tell you what is wrong with the product.
2. Reviewers' websites may contain affiliate links, and an enthusiastic review might lead you to click a link and then purchase the product.This results in paying a fee to the reviewer (called an affiliate commission). While most reviews may be accurate and independent, we cannot guarantee this is always the case.
3. E-Liquid reviews are entirely subjective. You may get different results. If you follow a reviewer with similar tastes to your own, you may get a more satisfactory outcome.

For the sake of full disclosure, let me state unequivocally that no one has ever paid me to write or post a review. I've also never received a fee for putting a link at the bottom of any of my reviews. I add those links not in the hope of receiving a fee, but rather as a convenience to the reader, should anyone wish to easily check out the vendor page of the juice being reviewed.

As to #3 (reviews are entirely subjective), well DUH! We re-state that over and over and over, because it's all too easy to get seduced by a reviewer's enthusiasm or apparent authority. And even if you feel that your palate and likes/dislikes are similar to mine, there's no 100% guarantee that you'll agree with me about a specific juice. Or even 50%. Heck, there's no guarantee at all, only personal choices as to how we spend our money. LOL.

Thomas Edison famously said that genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. Well, eliquid reviews seem to me to be about 10% information and 90% entertainment. That's my take on it, anyway. YMMV, LOL.
 
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