The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[Roxxette]

Hey Jerms,

Ever since I got out the bottle of ePipeMods Long Bottom Leaf

Fantastic liquid Bill aswell the Shire Malt wich is a malted LBL i commented about epipemods liquids long ago here in the thread to people that like aromatic.




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[MFToms59]

Since we're OT, I enjoy BWB & Spring Vapor Nets and was intrigued by the W2V Vapestien Blend Paris description, is it really as good as described? I just purchased some along with some Vanilla & Campfire Joe, I could always use another good Coffee, and does anyone (named Bill) know where I can get the Campfire Joe Flavor for DIY? Thanks for a great thread guys.

 

[passerbyeus]

Campfire Coffee Concentrate

Since we're OT, I enjoy BWB & Spring Vapor Nets and was intrigued by the W2V Vapestien Blend Paris description, is it really as good as described? I just purchased some along with some Vanilla & Campfire Joe, I could always use another good Coffee, and does anyone (named Bill) know where I can get the Campfire Joe Flavor for DIY? Thanks for a great thread guys.

 

[bbb]

Bill, at least our real tobacco tastes are similar, Skydancer was the last tobacco brand I smoked, tan box, with an Indian Brave iirc, kept a pack in my desk until I knew for sure I would never smoke another cigarette, 4 yrs ago

I have tried Tampa, I may try the others, thanks for all your thoughts and suggestions

I may try the Indigo RY4 Classic ... I'm simply looking for something with a bold(er) unique taste (Dunhill) not necessarily a "classic" profile ... I've always kept some synthetics in my rotation anyway so I'm returning to a few of them to see if my tastes have changed

I've tried quite a few NETS, along with hybrids and tbh, I'm tired of changing/cleaning/discarding atties ... I can only push about 5-6 ml of w2v nets thru my atties before clogging ... A+ and GeJ among the cleanest as you know, Blue Grass Burley and Fire Cured are among my favorites

I have each of their current Premium tobaccos coming, Blondie, Coffee-Infused, Cold-Infused, Alcatraz, and Red Pirate. Managua was limited time in the Vapenstein line-up but now they offer it full time.

Alcazar, not Alcatraz, named for the racehorse, a maduro cigar, is dark and oily iirc ... I do like Alcatraz as a name for a juice tho Red Pirate (Red Man macerated) is kinda sweet and cloggy for my hardware

Jerms, your palette is likely more refined than mine but I do taste the pine and tea in Cold Infusion, a unique blend and a long time fave of mine, I hope you enjoy them all

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[Jerms]

Alcazar, not Alcatraz, named for the racehorse, a maduro cigar, is dark and oily iirc ... I do like Alcatraz as a name for a juice tho Red Pirate (Red Man macerated) is kinda sweet and cloggy for my hardware

Thanks! Yeah I realized what I've been thinking was called Alcatraz is actually Alcazar when I ordered it, but the wrong name is still ingrained in my head enough that I usually refer to it wrong still lol. I had forgotten that it's a maduro cigar extraction, very cool. Red Pirate I've been timid to try because of it's origin. It's just in my head, need to remember to think of the TOBACCO and not the SPIT.

I've been meaning to try these for a LONG time, but what kept changing my mind is their reputaion of being the dirtiest of NETs, and there's so many great clean NETs to still try. Since I also use RBAs now though, it's no longer a concern. These juices aren't going to get to look at my 901s or 510s though.

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[MFToms59]

Thanks passerbyeus, I know Bill had mentioned it here, but this thread is looooooong.

 

[Jim Bob]

I have to wonder IF some of the "nuttiness" of some RY 4 is actually AP?

 

[passerbyeus]

.......AP?

I have to wonder IF some of the "nuttiness" of some RY 4 is actually AP?

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Acetyl Pyrazine - Perfumers Apprentice - Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG)

 

[billherbst]

I have to wonder IF some of the "nuttiness" of some RY 4 is actually AP?

.......AP?

AP = Acetyl Pyrazine.

AP is a super-concentrated clear liquid that falls into the netherworld category as a "sort-of flavoring." It's a food additive used in vaping to add a wheat- or grain-like cereal/doughy component to eliquids, so as to make them taste more cakey. It's used in very small quantities, only couple drops per 10ml of liquid. Juice blend flavors that might contain acetyl pyrazine are primarily desserts and include cakes, cookies, muffins, waffles, anything with a crust (cheesecake, pies, tarts, etc.). Want your sweet juice to taste a little more like Cap'n Crunch cereal? Add a drop or two of AP.

I can't say "no" in answer to Jim Bob's question, because I truly don't know. I will say that I tend to doubt it, mainly because RY4 is not generally conceived or formulated to be cake-like. On the other hand...

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I'm presently vaping some TPA RY4-Double with a little AP in it. ...can't say it is along the lines of RY4.

 

[glauserjg]

Just tried some mtbakervapor ry4. It tastes like anise! Yuck! anyone have a similar experience? i will let it steep and see what happens...

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[billherbst]

Bill, at least our real tobacco tastes are similar, Skydancer was the last tobacco brand I smoked, tan box, with an Indian Brave iirc, kept a pack in my desk until I knew for sure I would never smoke another cigarette, 4 yrs ago

I have tried Tampa, I may try the others, thanks for all your thoughts and suggestions

I may try the Indigo RY4 Classic ... I'm simply looking for something with a bold(er) unique taste (Dunhill) not necessarily a "classic" profile ... I've always kept some synthetics in my rotation anyway so I'm returning to a few of them to see if my tastes have changed

I've tried quite a few NETS, along with hybrids and tbh, I'm tired of changing/cleaning/discarding atties ... I can only push about 5-6 ml of w2v nets thru my atties before clogging ... A+ and GeJ among the cleanest as you know, Blue Grass Burley and Fire Cured are among my favorites

Alcazar, not Alcatraz, named for the racehorse, a maduro cigar, is dark and oily iirc ... I do like Alcatraz as a name for a juice tho Red Pirate (Red Man macerated) is kinda sweet and cloggy for my hardware

Jerms, your palette is likely more refined than mine but I do taste the pine and tea in Cold Infusion, a unique blend and a long time fave of mine, I hope you enjoy them all

bbb,

My packs were silver (ultra-lights 100s), but yeah, they had a picture of a Mohawk/Mohican standing in profile next to a glassy lake with forested hills rising in the background. The Indian had his right arm outstretched and uplifted to the heavens, recalling a time and place centuries ago when smoking tobacco was a sacrament rather than an addiction. LOL. You're now the only person I know (other than myself) who smoked Skydancer, which I felt to be the best tasting of the Native American-made all-natural, no-additive cigs. And---unlike premium brands like American Spirit---Skydancer was cheap, too, during that one decade when Indian Nation tobacco vendors proliferated on the Internet before Congress outlawed cigs in the mail. Gee, I sound mawkishly sentimental. In fact, I'm thrilled to have stopped smoking after 40 years. For me, vaping is a thousand times better.

Alcatraz. I like that. I can see the tag line now: "ALCATRAZ! Once you try this juice, you'll never be able to escape."

w2v Cold Infusion may be based on an expensive cigar, for all I know, but to me it tastes like a strong-as-hell cheap stogie mixed with Pine Sol. I sort of like it in spite of myself.

 

[bbb]

w2v Cold Infusion may be based on an expensive cigar, for all I know, but to me it tastes like a strong-as-hell cheap stogie mixed with Pine Sol. I sort of like it in spite of myself.

Bill, as a counterpoint to your impression of Cold Infusion, here is part of the w2v description and part of a posted review ... it is a uniquely different taste, but a good vape for those who have ocasionally smoked mid to higher quality cigars

A complex infused cigar. Notes of peach, pine, green tea and more ... a very nice, robust tobacco lover's cigar vape. The non-tobacco elements take a back seat in this excellent cigar vape, adding interesting impressions behind a very satisfying cigar.


Is that real smoke? No, it's off-the-chart quality vapor - and lots of it! All I can say is "Wow." Could have fooled me. The titillating throat and nasal hit from the pine are pleasantly superb, and equally distributed. And the aroma... yes the aroma... you'll just have to try it to experience it. Clean, smooth and mild. Conjures images of a calm, misty morning in a woodsy pine forest. Good stuff. Really good!

I smoked the regular strength Skydancers, resonably priced, good enough taste and no additives ... I am sounding sentimental too, I hope no one tries them after reading this, I would be very sick or maybe long gone if I had continued smoking ... stick to vaping !!

Alcatraz ... if your going away for a long time, this is the juice to take with you

ry4 question : which of the Indigo ry's are the sweeter ? ... I see you have left a glowing review for the Indigo RY, another review states the Indigo Classic is much sweeter, closer to the original recipe

thanks for your thoughts

 

[bbb]

Jerms, I thought this might interest you

Another noteworthy brand of coffee-infused cigars is Tabak Especial by Drew Estate. These cigars come in your choice of dark Connecticut Broadleaf and light natural Connecticut Shade wrappers. The filler is Nicaraguan Criollo, and before aging, the cigars are slowly infused with Nicaraguan estate-grown coffee. Tabak Especial and similar cigars such as Java by Drew Estate are the crème de la crème, but you can also expect to pay more for these cigars.

For an even more complex-tasting experience, there are the "gourmet" flavored cigars. CAO was the first cigar manufacturer to seriously dive into this market with their CAO Flavours line. One flavor for example is Moontrance. Moontrance is a Nicaraguan filler/Cameroon wrapper blend infused with natural exotic fruit and bourbon vanilla extracts, Georgia peach nectar, Hawaiian white honey, and other organic fruit extracts. Other CAO flavours include such names as CarameloJoe, Cherry Bomb, and Karma Sutra Splash.

Following CAO is Tatiana, who has been making excellent flavored premium cigars for years. Produced by La Aurora in the Dominican Republic, in addition to the more complex Tatiana Mocha (mentioned above), there’s also a Tatiana flavored cigar named Waking Dream which uses oak-barrel-aged Dominican tobaccos infused with herbs and flavors of vanilla cream, hazelnuts and single malt whisky.

So when it comes to flavored cigars, there are plenty from which to choose. Many have become so popular that even cigar smokers who ordinarily might have snubbed them at one time are now willing to add them to their collections.

Bill, I don't know if Carol and Donley purchased pre-infused leaf or they tried to re-create a certain brand with their Cold Infusion ... you can see these types of cigars have a real cornucopia of unique flavor blends, w2v Cold Infusion is definitely different, but certainly not for everyone ... sorry to be off topic again, just responding to your impression of CI

I'm vaping Cold Infusion as I type, definitely a pine presence but not overwhelming, mild herbal, strong lung hit, no doubt you just vaped a cigar juice, maybe a bit too strong for late evening, a mild ry4 would be better before bed time

 

[Jerms]

From what I understand, and very well could be wrong, is that W2V uses the whole cigar for the extraction, by either unrolling them or cutting them up. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that. They do say under the description of The "Blond" that it's "extracted from premium cigars". My W2V juices will be in tomorrow, and I plan on smoking a Drew Estate Acid Cold-Infusion cigar along with vaping CI cigar to see how similar the experience is and how much of the flavors come through vaping an extraction compared to the combustion of the tobacco. I'm doing this under the assumption that the juice is made from extracting the exact same brand of cigar I'll be smoking, so if that assumption is incorrect I hope to find out. I also plan on vaping The "Blond" while smoking an Acid "Blondie". Actually it's a 1400CC, which the guy at the tobacco shop said is just a larger version with the same infused tobaccos as Blondie.

One thing to note, when I smoked the Drew Estate Tobak Especial the flavor changed quite considerably for the last 1/3 of the cigar, the same with the Kuba Kuba. All kinds of things are going on with burning tobacco, it will be interesting to find what similarities in flavor vaping an extraction brings and what differences will be noticed. And with the Acid line it's not just the tobacco, but all sorts of flavors that have been infused with the tobacco that I assume would transfer nicely in an extraction, like the Pine-Sol lol.

Should be getting my Janty RY4s early in the week. (Who says I can't keep on topic? )

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[bbb]

the ACID Blondie is spot on, I can tell you that ... make sure yer comparing apples and apples, CI is definitely different from Blondie

and there is no darn Pine Sol taste I'm glad you are smoking the real thing to compare, I think you'll be surprised

and which ry4 do you prefer ?

 

[Jerms]

and which ry4 do you prefer ?

From Janty? I don't know yet. This will be my first go at a Chinese RY4. Probably would never have been interested in it if it wasn't for this thread and a desire to try the original. My only experience with Chinese juices has been in prefilled cartos named "tobacco" or "cowboy" and the dozen or so prefilled flavors I got from SmokeTip when I first started vaping. I liked the flavors at the time, but after moving on I would occasionally pick up a tobacco carto from a store and didn't care for them. All the Chinese tobaccos I've vaped had a weird tanginess I started thinking of as Chinese-y.

I plan on keeping an open mind with these Janty RY4s. I have the Classic and DK coming. It's mainly to satisfy my curiosity and expand my vaping knowledge, so if I do end up liking them it's just icing on the cake. I have a good feeling I just may really like them though. I have limited experience with RY4s, but the ones I've had I loved; from the artificial MVJs Our RY4 to the NET GeJ GJ4.

I mean come on, I know there's a big difference from the classics to the customs, but it's still vanilla, caramel, and tobacco. A flavor combination passed down from God herself to a Chinese juice maker. It may take me a bit to adjust to the Chinese style of juice, but I'm going to give it a fair chance.

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[billherbst]

which of the Indigo ry's are the sweeter ? ... I see you have left a glowing review for the Indigo RY, another review states the Indigo Classic is much sweeter, closer to the original recipe

Whenever some reviewer refers to the "original recipe" of RY4, I wonder what specific RY4 he or she means---Janty? Dekang? And which versions? from which years? And did the reviewer comparison vape each one head-to-head to make that determination, or just from memory recall of a juice vaped many years ago and now long gone? People talk about the uncanny persistence of flavor memory, but we have ample evidence about the unreliability of memories in general. For all those reasons, I discount references to some non-specific "original" RY4 as suspect.

Here's my take after head-to-head comparison vaping:

Indigo Classic is sweeter than Indigo RY4. The sweetness in Classic is subtle rather than overt or dominant, but there's perceptibly more sweetness than in Indigo's first-version RY4.

Indigo Classic has just a tad more sweetness than Janty RY4 DK-series purchased in November 2012 (according to Ludo, Janty's RY4 DK-series uses the same recipe and ingredients as Janty's first-ever RY4, created in 2007, so Janty RY4 DK is presumably the true, "original" RY4), and both are sweeter than my Dekang RY4 purchased in August 2011.

 

[bbb]

Edit: thanks Bill, I don't know you had posted before I did ... I'm looking for less sweet, not overwhelming, just subtle, with a strong tobacco ... that may not be exactly like the ry4 formula but I'll find the right one, I'm not an ry4 afficianado by any stretch ... I just don't want to have to try as many as you

I do like Indigo's tobacco line so I may take Bill's suggestion and try their Indigo RY4 and Indigo Classic

the only Chinese juice I care for is Dekang Dunhill ... I've looked for a US vendor who actually blends their own, but not much luck

oh, btw here is what w2v Cold Infusion (CI) was modeled after ... I've not smoked this cigar myself but this reads like what CI juice would taste like, the peach, pine and tea are all there in the juice

Acid Cold Infusion Tea

Acid is Drew Estates answer to the herbal and botanical aromatic cigar market. Using premium tobacco, botanicals, herbs, and essential oils, Acid cigars are expertly rolled by hand in Nicaragua.

Acid Cold Infusion Tea cigars are rolled to a Lonsdale size with a mild, aromatic Connecticut shade wrapper. If you are new to ACID cigars, you will find this to be one of your favorites because of their smoothness. Acid Cold Infusion Tea cigars are full of herbal essences with a flavorful blend of peach cobbler and an essence of fresh cut pine. These cigars come 24 to a box and are described as mild to herbal. Tony did a great review of the Acid Cold Infusion Tea and called it a great cigar - we agree!

Manufacturer: Acid
Filler: Nicauraga
Wrapper: Nicauraga
Binder: Nicauraga