The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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I just came on this thread, holy sweet stouts batman. This thing is huge. Anyways, I bought Tribeca a while ago and am just about done with it so I had to order more. Apparently, I'm loving the RY4 blend so I read through alot of this. I just picked up a bottle of Janty simply because it comes highly rated by you. Normally I try to stick with only juices made in the US but I'll make an exception with this if it's that good. I get a bit concerned with things coming out of China for obvious reasons reported in the media throughout the years. Whether or not it's a valid concern is a personal thing I guess.

What would you say THE best US made RY4 juice is? I also ordered Ahlusion's version of it. Has that been reviewed here? Perhaps I missed it.
 

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What would you say THE best US made RY4 juice is? I also ordered Ahlusion's version of it. Has that been reviewed here? Perhaps I missed it.

Brewer,

With over 120 RY4s on The Big List, at least half of which are made in the U.S., picking just one as "THE best" is, well, maybe not quite impossible, since people may have a distinct personal favorite, but it's very difficult to do with any objectivity.

Of the A rated retail RY4s from The Big RY4 Report Card, the only ones I'm sure are made in the U.S. are:

IndigoVapor Indigo Classic
MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4
Vapor..... OuR-Y4

If we add the A- rated group, the selection grows considerably. Again, I'm including only those I'm sure are made in the U.S.:

Awesome Clouds AC3
CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco
GoodLifeVapor Hooligan
Halo Tribeca
Ikenvape RY4 Gold PG
IndigoVapor Indigo RY
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
MrVape RY4
RWVapors RY4

If I had to pick just one out of this group as my personal favorite today (not BEST, just my fave), it would be Vapor..... OuR-Y4, but that juice hasn't been available on the VB web site for months and still isn't.

Ahlusion Gold Rising has been reviewed (do a thread search), but it didn't make the cut and is not included on The Big RY4 List. Its flavor profile may be based on Ruyan 4, which predates any RY4, but it doesn't use the now-accepted trio of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Gold Rising is a wonderful juice and a lovely NET, but it doesn't meet the RY4 criteria of this thread.
 

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Today I'm going to give my impressions on MrVape RY4 and Want2Vape DIY RY4 flavoring.

I got the MrVape RY4 because a few people compared it to Tribeca, which is my favorite. The caramel note in MrVape RY4 is indeed very similar to Tribeca's and is delicious, but that is where the similarities end. It has a more pronounced vanilla than some RY4s. The juice definitely has to steep awhile because the tobacco element was far too "ashy" tasting to me at first. I really like how the juice has matured though, and I can easily vape it all day. However for me, this juice is just a pretty face compared to Tribeca which is the total package. I'm almost tempted to call MrVape RY4 "Tribeca Light." While it is delicious, it is very light and I feel it is missing something. I get all the flavors separately in this juice, instead of one blended flavor with different notes. I like an RY4's flavors to hit my flavor receptors in a certain order: caramel, tobacco, vanilla. Mr Vape's RY4 goes from tobacco to vanilla to caramel to me.

I mixed some Want2Vape RY4 at 20% as recommended on the bottle. Oddly enough, this juice really reminds me of Bill's Skydancer v2b. The tobacco is different, but the sweet, rich flavor notes are very similar. It doesn't have the traditional RY4 flavor, but it is definitely a great new take on caramel, vanilla, and tobacco. A nice change of pace juice if you vape traditional RY4s all the time like I do.

I was also wondering if anyone here has tried atmoslab's Bebeca? It is supposedly a great Tribeca clone from Greece.
 

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I mixed some Want2Vape RY4 at 20% as recommended on the bottle. Oddly enough, this juice really reminds me of Bill's Skydancer v2b. The tobacco is different, but the sweet, rich flavor notes are very similar. It doesn't have the traditional RY4 flavor, but it is definitely a great new take on caramel, vanilla, and tobacco. A nice change of pace juice if you vape traditional RY4s all the time like I do.

W2V RY4 has become a staple for me. I really like the low notes in it. There is something that contributes to throat hit in it, but in a sort of scratchy way. I use a 20% mix of W2V RY4 about 50/50 with 15% TPA RY4-Double. That gets me pretty close to an all day vape.
 

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I was wondering if anyone here has tried atmoslab's Bebeca? It is supposedly a great Tribeca clone from Greece

Sero,

I haven't vaped any juices from AtmosLab. A google search comes up with listings for Bebeca from Alibaba, VapourArt in Sofia, Bulgaria, FinnVape in Finland, and a bunch of Greek vendors.

The Alibaba listing has a description that's typically Chinglish---redundant, strong on hype, and says nothing about what the flavor is. It's pretty funny, actually:

"BEBECA is a very famous eliquid having a very characteristic, real explicit flavour. Fully strong aroma, great aftertaste. BEBECA is a very famous ready-to-vape eliquid made in Greece. A very characteristic flavour, full aroma, with great long-lasting aftertaste. BEBECA is a very interesting flavour for those vapers having a drip tip in their mouth all day."

If you get some Bebeca and the spirit moves you, post a review. I'll put it on The Big List and link to your review.
 
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Today I'm going to give my impressions on MrVape RY4 and Want2Vape DIY RY4 flavoring.

I got the MrVape RY4 because a few people compared it to Tribeca, which is my favorite. The caramel note in MrVape RY4 is indeed very similar to Tribeca's and is delicious, but that is where the similarities end. It has a more pronounced vanilla than some RY4s. The juice definitely has to steep awhile because the tobacco element was far too "ashy" tasting to me at first. I really like how the juice has matured though, and I can easily vape it all day. However for me, this juice is just a pretty face compared to Tribeca which is the total package. I'm almost tempted to call MrVape RY4 "Tribeca Light." While it is delicious, it is very light and I feel it is missing something. I get all the flavors separately in this juice, instead of one blended flavor with different notes. I like an RY4's flavors to hit my flavor receptors in a certain order: caramel, tobacco, vanilla. Mr Vape's RY4 goes from tobacco to vanilla to caramel to me.

Sero,

I just grabbed my cartos of Tribeca and MrVape RY4, topped them up, and comparison-vaped them.

Both strike me as Custom RY4s, mainly because the tobacco in each has a much stronger presence than the neutral, almost invisible tobacco in Classic RY4s. That said, both live up to their high grades in the A- group.

MrVape is smoother and laid back, while Tribeca has way more kick and pizazz. Some of that may be due to Halo's "Purity" base, which thankfully stops short of the disinfectant bug spray taste that I don't like in certain Halo tobaccos. Or it might be inherent to the tobacco flavor itself. Spicy, with bite. Either way, Tribeca is a more interesting and vibrant RY4 to my palate than MrVape. Maybe "compelling" is the word I'm looking for. Your comparative description says it nicely: "Tribeca Lite." LOL. I'd say "Tribeca Smooth."

I don't personally have a preference for unified overall flavor versus distinct components, nor order of impact on the palate. For me, all the variations can be good or not, depending on the juice. Clearly, though, you know exactly what you like.

Both Tribeca and MrVape are very good RY4s.
 

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I want to write a bit about a subject I’ve addressed from time to time in the past: Ranking or Grading RY4s.

On the face of it, this is a perfectly reasonable proposition. Rankings of every consumer product abound in our society. “Best of” and "Top 100" lists pop up everywhere. People love reading rankings and grades. If they happen to agree with whoever posed as the “authority” (whether an individual or a group), the agreement produces a comfortable sense of confirmation, and occasionally even the smug feeling of superior expertise. “See, I’m right!” If they disagree, however, that’s often just as good, because it stirs the pot for debate and venting, as well as reminding us that authorities are not invariably trustworthy. Back in the late 1960s, I wore a button that said "Question Authority." I believe that now more than ever.

The problem is that rankings and comparative grades are often downright silly and sometimes damned stupid. With products such as washing machines, cars, food processors, or vaping juices, too many variables affect performance and individual experience for any objective formula to apply. Read the customer reviews on Amazon sometime, or---better still---the customer reviews on any vaping vendor’s site. You’ll see what I mean. Lots of reviews saying, "I've been vaping for two weeks, and this is the most wonderful juice ever!" Oh, great.

Assessing criteria for judgment is extremely difficult because of differing expectations among consumers. Quality and popularity are not the same thing, and assigning them proportional weight on any value scale is not only dicey, but often clearly biased. Experts appreciate products differently than novices. Casual users don’t look for the same qualities as true aficionados. The best-selling espresso machine at Williams-Sonoma is mocked by the espresso geeks on the Home-Barista Forums. Soccer Moms might love a Plymouth Voyager that a serious car nut wouldn’t be caught dead driving. An institution such as Consumer Reports is aimed right at the center of the bell curve, so don't look for them to rank Deaf Smith organic peanut butter over Peter Pan chunky.

Even sillier is the request we often get on this thread and everywhere in consumer culture for isolating the one product (in this case, an RY4) that is “BEST.” Who is the single best actor of all time? Best President? Best ice cream? Give me a break. That’s just friggin’ impossible, but people ask that damned “best” question over and over and over. Why are they so interested in knowing what finally amounts to another person’s opinion? And why should they trust it? I mean, we all know that opinions are like a certain body part---everyone has one. (Of course, one frequent reason people ask the “best” question is that they don’t want to go through the learning curve of hard work and slowly distilled experience---instead, they want E-Z instant enlightenment. Sorry, that doesn’t exist.)

When I started The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread, I gave numerical rankings to the 23 RY4s reviewed in the original post. I continued that policy for awhile, but, as the list grew, the subtle and arbitrary shadings of deciding which RY4 was #34 versus #35 began to drive me crazy. So, after six months I tossed out numerical rankings. Later, I reinstated rankings (primarily because people like them so much, despite all the reasons they shouldn’t), but this time as grades. That allowed me to put RY4s into groups---A-rated RY4s, B-rated, C-rated, etc. Simple, like elementary school. That’s been fairly workable for quite awhile now. Still, it’s often hard to define what puts one RY4 in the B+ group, while another rates only a B. Oh, I do it anyway, but even I don’t take it too seriously.

I find myself in something of a unique position. I’m probably the only person on this thread who has 100 cartos on his desk, each loaded with a different retail RY4. Hell, I’m probably the only person on ECF with that, and I just might be the only person on the entire planet. Many people have vaped lots of RY4s, but darned few---if any besides me---have 100 of them sitting right on their desk, ready to vape.

This allows me to evaluate RY4s in a very special way, by comparison-vaping different RY4s side-by-side or back-to-back-to-back. I can hold a PV in each hand and vape one RY4, then immediately vape another. Over about ten minutes, I can vape 20 different RY4s. This lets me discern many of the nuances that distinguish one RY4 from another. Comparison-vaping highlights similarities and differences, strengths and weaknesses, and other distinctions in component flavors, mix ratios, overall flavor profiles, vapor production, throat hit, mouthfeel, etc. That gives me quite a leg up over the average vaper who’s tried five RY4s over a year.

Does this mean that anyone reading this thread should trust my grades for RY4s? No, not at all. It just means that I probably have more data than most vapers for determining a grade, and that my data is generally trustworthy in terms of consistency and reliability rather than mere flawed memory or a figment of my imagination.

Finally, though, please remember that my palate/brain is not the same as yours. Even if you like and appreciate juices in much the same way I do, we’re probably not identical twins. And sometimes you may love what I loathe, and vice versa. In that case, we’re both right, because the one person that matters in vaping---the only person we have to please---is ourselves.

My advice---worth repeating here---is to take The Big RY4 Report Card with a huge grain of salt. Yes, it’s an interesting and often useful guide, and sometimes you may find it right on the money. But other times, not so much. And occasionally you could disagree to the point of being offended by my judgments. All of which is OK.

Just don’t forget the Golden Rule: YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary. That’s not just a “legal disclaimer.” It’s the truth.
 

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cant thank you enough for taking the on enormous task of testing all of these RY4's. my very first liquid was apparently a pretty good one (apollo Ry4) and have been on the hunt for other good ones ever since, and this thread has been a giant help on deciphering all the different variations out there. i still am in love with this apollo stuff though.i am squirreling away 150ml of it, and always have a 6ml tank loaded up in my travel kit.
again, thank you and all the other contributors for the work you put into this.
 

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Bill (and other esteemed RY4 enthusiasts) , this isn't exactly an RY4 question per se, but it's definitely in your wheelhouse.

I'm restocking my DIY supplies and I want to find a Caramel flavor that would compliment tobacco flavors. I would like it to be in the background and come across as sugars naturally caramelizing as if the tobacco were being smoked, so maybe a darker caramel (I'm not sure about that)?

Anything immediately come to mind? Maybe even an RY4 flavoring used sparingly....vanilla is certainly an ever present tobacco top note flavor anyway.
 
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cant thank you enough for taking the on enormous task of testing all of these RY4's. my very first liquid was apparently a pretty good one (apollo Ry4) and have been on the hunt for other good ones ever since, and this thread has been a giant help on deciphering all the different variations out there. i still am in love with this apollo stuff though.i am squirreling away 150ml of it, and always have a 6ml tank loaded up in my travel kit.

kuritaro,

ApolloECigs RY4 is very highly rated on The Big RY4 List---in the A- group, as you may know, which means that I consider it one of the top retail RY4s in the marketplace. My only criticism is that it has almost no throat hit (at least mine doesn't, even at 24mg), but the Classic flavor profile is spot on (even though the description on the Apollo web site doesn't mention vanilla, just sweet caramel). Most Classic RY4s are Chinese, but Apollo RY4 is an exception, being manufactured in California.

After reading your post, I grabbed my carto of Apollo RY4 and vaped a little. I hadn't previously noticed that it has some of the sweet-sour counterbalancing used by Janty and selected other RY4s, so I'll add it to the Sweet & Sour Category Group.
 

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Bill (and other esteemed RY4 enthusiasts) , this isn't exactly an RY4 question per se, but it's definitely in your wheelhouse.

I'm restocking my DIY supplies and I want to find a Caramel flavor that would compliment tobacco flavors. I would like it to be in the background and come across as sugars naturally caramelizing as if the tobacco were being smoked, so maybe a darker caramel (I'm not sure about that)?

Anything immediately come to mind? Maybe even an RY4 flavoring used sparingly....vanilla is certainly an ever present tobacco top note flavor anyway.

VaporMizer,

I'm afraid I don't have a database (either literal or in my head) for that criterion. We'd have to go through every caramel flavoring by each of the different source manufacturers one by one to see which works best. Also, I'm fairly certain that different caramels would complement certain tobacco flavors better than others. One caramel flavoring might be perfect for a synthetic Latakia, while another caramel would be ideal for an NET Burley or Virginia extraction.

For instance, when I was making my Skydancer NET-based RY4s, I quickly discovered that TFA Candy Caramel---ordinarily one of my favorite go-to caramels for tobaccos---didn't work at all with that particular extract. Skydancer required a caramel that was softer and creamier to harmonize.

Basically, too many variables exist to allow any simple and trustworthy response. I think you're stuck with trial-and-error.
 

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VaporMizer,

I'm afraid I don't have a database (either literal or in my head) for that criterion. We'd have to go through every caramel flavoring by each of the different source manufacturers one by one to see which works best. Also, I'm fairly certain that different caramels would complement certain tobacco flavors better than others. One caramel flavoring might be perfect for a synthetic Latakia, while another caramel would be ideal for an NET Burley or Virginia extraction.

For instance, when I was making my Skydancer NET-based RY4s, I quickly discovered that TFA Candy Caramel---ordinarily one of my favorite go-to caramels for tobaccos---didn't work at all with that particular extract. Skydancer required a caramel that was softer and creamier to harmonize.

Basically, too many variables exist to allow any simple and trustworthy response. I think you're stuck with trial-and-error.

Thanks! I think I'm going order from Wizard Labs this time so I'll just try all the caramel flavors they have. TFA Caramel Candy is one of them, so that seems promising.
 
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I, too, appreciate all the work (and expense) that went in to all this testing and continues to. I have tried several from the list and the reviews help me understand why I like one more than another. I seem to prefer the more tobacco RY4s, Mr Vape is a true winner to me so far! (along with Skydancer, but they are different)
 

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Has anyone by chance ever tried this one:

Main St. RY4 ( 10 ML ) - Detailed item view - Premium E Liquids by The Long Island Vapory

Only asking because they are based on Long Island and I received an email saying all their ingredients are natural. I may pick up a small sample simply because I live on Long Island myself.

Brewer,

I haven't. It's another of presumably many RY4s I've never even heard of.

Nice on-site description by the vendor: "Walk down Main Street USA with our Vapory's version of the classic. A generous kick of silky rich ingredients transform your ecig into a delicious treat."

If you get some, I'd be delighted if you'd post a review. Then I'll add it to The Big List with a vendor link and a link to your review post (credited to you, of course).
 
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Much of the time on this thread, we focus on discussion of the top-rated RY4s. That makes sense, because that’s what people are looking for---the very best RY4s that money can buy.

But what about the bottom third of the RY4 Report Card? What about the RY4s that are graded C and below? Why aren’t they more highly rated? What’s wrong with them? And how bad are they?

Over the next days or weeks, I’m going to revisit most of the lower-ranked RY4s and try to address those questions. I can vape only so many of these in one sitting, so this post will be Part One of a multi-part series.

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CopperCreek Voodoo and Twisted Tobacco – Oh my. CopperCreek is a vendor I like that makes and sells some really good juices. The only problem is that their tobaccos are not only sub-par---I’d say disappointingly so---but downright weird. Loyal CC fans may like Voodoo or Twisted Tobacco, but knowledgeable RY4 fans and tobacco aficionados won’t. Sorry.

DIYFlavorshack RY4s – Diane at DIYFlavorshack makes a whole family of RY4s. Although her Caramel-Vanilla RY4 earns a B grade, the rest get no higher grade than C+. Sadly, they all taste homemade, like the RY4 equivalent of bathtub gin.

GoodProphets GP4 – Fairly well-balanced, but none of the individual components have enough flavor or pizazz to provide a satisfying impact. Nothing special.

GourmetVapor RY4 – GV is a juice vendor with a zillion flavors, all of which are customizable in flavorings, mixes, bases, etc. That said, their juices are often hit-or-miss, and more often miss than hit. Although the flavor profile of their RY4 is slightly askew, it isn’t dreadful (very few RY4s are actually dreadful), but it tastes like an RY4 copy rather than a “real” RY4. In this case, imitation is not the sincerest form of flattery.

HealthCabin RY4 (house brand) – A curiosity. A Chinese RY4 that does not conform to the Classic flavor profile. Unfortunately, as a Custom RY4, it falls far short. The sad fact is that it’s just not very good. Not only is it undistinguished, it’s downright odd.

MadcattVapors MaddHatter RYJ4 and RYW4 – The “J” and “W” in the names of these two RY4s presumably indicate their Maddcatt creators. My question for both people is: “Have you vaped any great RY4s?” I ask because both of these taste like they were made by someone who didn’t really know how a great RY4 tastes. Again, these aren’t terrible juices, but they’re not good RY4s. Advice to juicemasters: If you’re going to push the flavor envelope with a Custom RY4, it had better be extraordinary. Strange just doesn’t cut it.

MountBakerVapor RY4 – MtBaker is one of the reigning kings of deep-discount juice vendors. Guess what? Their RY4 tastes like a deep-discount juice. Again, it hits my palate as a cheap copy of the real thing---like processed American cheese made from oil rather than real cheddar made from milk. Lots of MtBaker fans love this RY4. I figure they have no idea what they're missing out on.

MyVapeCreations RY4 – Weird tobacco. Enough said. MVC also makes/sells another Custom RY4 that's cigar-based, called CigaRY4. It's not superlative, by any means, but it's way better than this RY4. Get that instead.

ParkesVaping RY4 – ParkesVaping makes two RY4s, this one called RY4 and another called PV4. If you want to buy an RY4 from ParkesVaping, get the PV4. The RY4 is nondescript, undistinguished, and forgettably average.

Vaporescence RY4 – A true oddball. This is a really good Custom RY4. The only problem is that its citrus/lemon element pushes the RY4 flavor envelope almost to the breaking point. I’ve had it in the “C” group, but vaping it again right now and re-reading the original reviews (one by On Target and another by me), I think I’ll raise it into the more respectable “B” group. Bottom line is that I like this juice, feel that others will like it too, and don’t want to trash it.

VermillionRiverEJuice KY4 – What a disappointment. VermillionRiver is a popular juice vendor in Minnesota (Twin Cities suburbs) that has made its success primarily by creating seemingly endless variations from a single nutty, caramelly tobacco base, called Kentucky Premium. One would think that VR could make an interesting RY4. ‘Fraid not. KY4 is too sweet in a nondescript way, has a lousy balance of flavors, and fails miserably as an RY4, even a Custom RY4. What a shame.

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OK, this is enough for Part One. The only winner here is Vaporescence RY4. The rest are all losers, relatively speaking. Please understand, however: If you’re marooned on a desert island with only a PV, endless batteries, a good supply of atties/cartos/clearos, but only a single juice, you could in fact survive with any one of these. They are not awful juices---they’re just not very good RY4s.
 
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