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The situation may be getting worse.

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Mindfield

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And I'm not talking about Jersey Shore.

I'm part of the Canadians Against the Electronic Cigarette Ban group on Facebook, and I've just learned that an east cost vendor (who did not name his business) had a shipment turned away because apparently border agents have been told to refuse all shipments of cartomizers, even empty ones, because they "may contain traces of nicotine." (You may now sneeze a naughty word.)

But it gets worse.

He was also told that customs have been told to expect a ban on all E-cigarette merchandise by the end of the year. Needless to say this has my blood boiling. I feel helpless as this is going on. But I do know one thing. I really don't give a crap what they do; I'll keep getting my stuff any way I can.
 

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Was his name JohnnyVapor?

That's not the name he uses on Facebook. I don't know if he uses that alias here (or anywhere). I don't know if it's wise or permissible to mention anyone from there on here.

Dear Mindfield,

I appreciate your sharing this very relevant, very disturbing information. Thank you. To our Canadian vendors: if ever there was a time to finally get our act together, & do in Canada what the UK vendors did in the UK with ECITA...this is it.

And heaven bloody help you if you don't!

I'd help in any way I can that is within my means -- though my means be little. I just can't understand what HC's problem is -- other than being the same as the FDA, which is issues of control and wanting to classify them as drug delivery devices. But to ban them outright ... that's just beuyond the pale. This is nothing to do with health. This is all about control.
 

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I'm part of that Facebook group as well, and its definitely time for us to unite against HC and there fascist dictatorial ban !

United we stand tall, divided we will fall! So how would we go about forming our own organization ? I don't have much financial resources, but some free time and an iron will for change!!

And let me parody Anonymous ;)

We are Vapers
We are legion
We do not support the ban
We do not forgive HC
We do not forget the insult and injury

Expect Us !

lol , sorry for the tempting parody , I just had to do it ;)
 

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Rachelcoffe,
Can you PM me some information?

Will do, Netter.
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In response to post #5: you're absolutely right, Mindfield. I think it's high time, for the enlightenment of everyone, to share a post I was going to put in a different thread, (which has since slipped down the page). Here it is:

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I just listened to a podcast that Rachel just sent me regarding Ivaqs. Ok scratch my post about having hope. After hearing this podcast I am more in the sand then ever.

Take heart, hun.
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Yes, IVAQS is a total mess - and that's sad, because a lot of well-meaning people gave a lot of money to it. But it never offered anyone salvation, no matter how it turned out. A lot of people still don't seem to understand: the government is not interested in how safe vaping is or isn't.

If they cared about that at all, there wouldn't be an issue. There's enough evidence to sink a ship, to prove exactly what is & isn't in e-juice & to prove that vaping is no more harmful than common caffeine consumption.

None of that has the slightest impact on HC - no matter if a million studies were conducted, no matter how much overwhelming proof is offered. Why? Because the relative safety of vaping is not the issue for them. It's a regulatory issue. If we can deal with the stumbling block of the regulatory issue, the rest falls into place.

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WHOSE MOVE?

And who is it that's regulated? The industry. So it's the industry that must challenge the problem that faces it. But so far, they haven't done that.

To date, our Canadian e-cig / e-juice industry has never proposed an alternative regulatory framework to HC. Not professionally, or any which way. So far, the grand plan has been to do nothing; to ignore the elephant in the room. And that's a problem - doing nothing, changes nothing.

It's impossible to displace inappropriate regulation without effectively, professionally proposing the alternative of appropriate regulation. No one has done that here. We haven't even adopted standards, for goodness' sakes. We've proposed nothing. That's why nothing has changed yet.

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THE CHOICE

Regulation is not optional. No industry offering electronic merchandise and/or consumable products goes unregulated in Canada. Every industry must adopt standards.

Without industry-wide standards & some form of (appropriate) regulation, consumers are potentially placed at risk. How would you feel about eating food that wasn't subject to any regulatory oversight? How would you feel about buying electronic merchandise that hasn't been checked for toxic lead, or faulty wiring, or shoddy construction? You see? The government is obligated to regulate our industry.

So the question now is: What kind of regulation do we want?

Do we sit by & allow HC's inappropriate regulation (which misclassifies e-cigs & e-juice w/nic, & prevents any possibility of market authorization) to go unchallenged? Or does the Canadian industry finally get down to the business of adopting industry-wide standards & proposing an affordable, appropriate regulatory alternative?

We've seen the UK vendors make the right choice: we know it leads to success. And we know that success cannot possibly come without it.

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HELP REQUIRES CHANGE

Vapers can only effectively advocate for the industry when it helps itself & rises to a professional level of operation. I know the industry isn't huge yet. But our suppliers want to prosper & grow. We want them to prosper & grow. And there are people that can help make prosperity & growth the norm. The potential for growth & profit should not be underestimated - it's staggering. But our industry's inaction is standing in the way of it...and indeed, threatening what we have now.

Which deeply concerns me & royally pisses me off. It's bad enough to have the government threatening our access to vaping - but to have our own suppliers threatening it (through inaction) is ridiculous!

So suppliers need to sit down & ask themselves: "Are we going to address the situation, or keep on avoiding it?" The ball is in their court.

I know that change can be frightening; it's always tempting & easier in a way to just ignore a problem. But that doesn't fix things. I'm sure some of our suppliers are thinking: "Hey, I don't know how to propose alternatives to HC. I'm just trying to sell a product!" Relax. There are experienced, skilled people ready & willing to help our industry make the right changes that it needs to make. People that will make the changes as affordable & uniform as possible, too. Canadian suppliers: you're not alone. Significant help is at hand.

More importantly...you have to do this, if you want to survive. You've run out of time for dilly-dallying & fence-sitting.

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CONCLUSION

Anyway, as I said earlier to Danesnpits...take heart. There is a new day on the horizon for we vapers. There are positive things that can be done. In light of Mindfield's post today, you better believe we are going to press forward that much harder to drive home the urgency! A lot of this stuff is happening behind the scenes (which is why I haven't named any names here); it's stuff that the average vaper can't contribute to, or be involved with. It's the industry that has to do these things. (And you'd better believe that we vapers demand the industry act already!)

This post is not an attack on our industry - it is a passionate & urgent appeal for our beloved industry to do what it needs to bloody well do! Because we need you. As do countless smokers who have still never even heard of vaping.

These things aren't going to happen overnight. But they are being done. Things that will change our situation for the better. To everyone here: keep on vaping, and keep on praying.

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rachelcoffe

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This makes me so sad, I could cry. :'( I don't want to go back to analogs...but, it looks as though my own government doesn't care. I've been smoke free for almost a week and haven't felt this good in years! I'm going to have a pity party, now...must still be detoxing. lol

I feel your pain, MagicAries. I share it. The panicky feeling of "OMG I have to stock up nooow" is really quite unpleasant. Pray, hon. Pray.
 

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I think Rachel nailed it. I mean, I know less than nothing about how to deal with a situation like this, but I do sincerely hope there's still time to make something happen -- and that we can. I don't want us to be one of the unfortunate few nations whose health organizations have screwed the people out of their right to healthier alternative to smoking. I can't go back to cigarettes. I won't. Nor will I give up vaping until and unless I am damn good and ready, and I truly do not care how I continue to do that if the bomb drops.
 

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... shipments of cartomizers, even empty ones, because they "may contain traces of nicotine."

Does Canada have an import restriction on blackleaf 40, or nicotine as a pesticide. I don't suggest circumventing the law or anything, but it seems to me if nicotine based insecticide is still legally allowed to be imported at 40%, any law prohibiting 2.8% concentration or less than 2.8% is flat out nutty.
 
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