The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage.com

[brian272465]

Brian, you are now "Brain" to me! Thank so much for the AVA info. I had never heard of it before and was quite curious about a 50$ atty. Was there anything you did like about it? I'm not really considering it due to the cost factor, but I would like to know about it.

(Love my HHs btw)

Yea I'm not tryin to bad mouth the ava at all yes there was things I liked about it awsome flav its built like a tank the guy who makes them is going to offer a rebuild program for them where you can send them in and he will rebuild it for you just with me I like clouds and heat the ava doesn't compare to the 357s on any level if you just have to try it like I did they have a 20% coupon code its on the master list

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[brian272465]

If you like vg juice you got to try hannas custom 357 for vg its crazy how well it wicks vg

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[Fernand]

On the Kick, it's worth remembering that we don't care about polarity, as per the battery inversion for the Little Vmod 1.0. The reason I mention it is because I'd prefer to squeeze any modification in to work with 18650 IMRs, and not launch into a whole new battery size (that many have avoided even on the Provari). Not sure if there's quite enough room, but it MIGHT be possible to clip out the VMod spring altogether and mount the Kick either pointing up as intended, or, by inverting the battery, wire it in pointing down. Does the Kick have any built-in springiness?

BTW, I'm sure the VG Custom HH.357 is great, but I've had no trouble wicking 100% VG with the standard 357 model. Glycerin loses most of its viscosity, almost as thin as PG, when it's warmed up by sitting next to an atomizer, especially if a few drops of water/alcohol/PG were added to it.

I pulled out my virgin second HH.357 so I would not have to suffer gladly another ordinary atty while I soaked the firstborn in 96% Polish Alcohol overnight. I am a little ashamed, whipping $22 atties around, thinking of the little barefoot vapers of India with no more than a 510 with a cart full of shredded customer support slips and Chinese Radiator Fluid. But I hardened my heart, and reached for my all-VG Golden Macaroon. Prepped the 357 a little differently. Blew out all the PG/VG as directed, but instead of dripping 6+ drops of juice, I poured pure VG in, let it sit, blew it out (always from battery end), and repeated this several times. After it sat through the last VG soak, and was blown out, I dripped in a few drops of the Golden Macaroon as instructed until the bubbly crackly sound, and directly mounted it in the XL, squirshed, tilted slightly and started to vape in continuous self-feed mode on a half-full 18650, and .... Holy Cow! it was "smooth as butter" from the git-go. Who knows exactly why, but this is a true story. I'm off to watch a movie from inside a cloud of the sweetest contentment.

Here's the 1.5 ohm HH.357 construction (left) compared to the BF Hybrid 1.5 ohm (right):

 

[ukeman]

re the Kick: we're talking about using a 18500 (AW IMR 18490 actual) right ? i forgot about that. How's the logistics?

anyway although interesting, hell, i'm on the XL as "retro" thing like back to 3.7 pv's and LR attys... this thing is quite a kick itself without the vV.

 

[darco]

thermovape sell the same atomizer

Yeah, thermovape and innovapor are the same guys. Awesome team IMO!

 

[vaptamist]

Brian, you are now "Brain" to me! Thank so much for the AVA info. I had never heard of it before and was quite curious about a 50$ atty. Was there anything you did like about it? I'm not really considering it due to the cost factor, but I would like to know about it.

(Love my HHs btw)

I really like it in my Alpha's - I really feel like it was designed from the bottom up to be used with Innovapor's product line - for instance, there is a few millimeters of clearance when threading it on to a normal 510 connection on another mod. It's bottom sealed specifically because it works better for the RES. The flavor on it is outstanding - I do taste little subtleties in my favorite juices that I never noticed before. It does get pretty hot too - and I think using it along with the RES supplies it with some extra heat sinking. The ceramic wick also seems to let you swap flavors very quickly. Overall, it is interesting to see what a fully american made atomizer looks like, since most other atomizers are at least sourced out of china for parts.

It works well on some of my other mods, just not as well as on the Alpha's - and there are other atomizers I enjoy more on my other mods.

I will eventually get some more of these - I would like one for each of my alphas, and I would like to pick up a HR version just to play around with on my Darwin. But there's a lot more things higher up on my list that I'd like to get.

I've had it for a little over a month now - but I don't use it all day every day. So, I'd say - if you're a big fan of Innovapor's mods with the RES system, it's worth the 40$ - otherwise, I think there are PLENTY of other atomizer options out there for use with other mods.

 

[dragonbone]

Yay, that was quick! My VMod XL just arrived !!!!

 

[smilee]

i already got my vmod moded for the kick i just ran a piece of thin sheet metal from the bottom spring all the way up the side and soldered the metal to the bottom spring can't wait to get the kick in the mail

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great job !!
can fit with 18650 ?

 

[smilee]

Here's a link they still have the starter kit

The Kick

some distributors in europe ?

 

[Fernand]

Isn't it true that in theory anyway, if we achieve the desired wattage by using the right resistance on a given voltage, then we don't really need higher voltage?

But we can also see (looking at two 1.5 ohm atties above) that for a given resistance, there can be VERY different constructions. Based on my good luck with the HH.357, where the 3.7v battery is perfectly ample (and that throughout its discharge curve!), I'd propose that maybe we really just need better atomizers. Regulation might be a nice-to-have, but not essential, and boosting voltage somehow seems completely irrelevant. (I mean since we can get great performance at 3.7 v -- if I had VV on the XL with these HH.357s, I'd set it exactly to 3.7).

And isn't that maybe what the HV thing is all about, taking a 3+ ohm atty that has more turns in the coil and powering it adequately? The typical 1.5 ohm atty gives us the wattage, but not the taste and vapor that comes from a densely wound multi-turn coil. Now with an atty that's smartly-built, more turns using lower res wire etc, maybe no need to raise the voltage at all ...

Can we see some close-ups of the coils of the best LR atomizers? Could it be as simple as that?

 

[AZCraig]

Isn't it true that in theory anyway, if we achieve the desired wattage by using the right resistance on a given voltage, then we don't really need higher voltage? Now we can also see (looking at two 1.5 ohm atties above) that for a given resistance, there can be VERY different constructions. Based on my good luck with the HH.357, where the 3.7v battery is perfectly ample (and that throughout its discharge curve!), I'd propose maybe we really just need better atomizers. Regulation might be a nice-to-have, but not essential, and boosting voltage somehow seems completely irrelevant.

I have a 1.5ohm HH.357 on my VMod XL w/ AW IMR 2000 3.7v battery. While it is an ok vape. The 9.12 watts it's pulling just doesn't compare to my normal 10 watt vape. Maybe another combination of battery / atomizer would get me there, but I'm really trying to avoid stacking 2 batteries to do it (for safety reasons). So if the Kick can be made to work in the VMod XL, I'd be someone who'd want to try it.

 

[AZCraig]

Hmm.. I'm using a Boge 2.0 and getting a pretty good throat hit out of it, at least with the right juice - what are you using?

Would you mind testing that Boge 2.0 with a multi-meter or a Provari ?
My Boge "2.0" cartos are pretty consistently up near 2.2 to 2.4 ohms. I do occasionally get some real 2.0s but it isn't predictable at all.

 

[brian272465]

I have a 1.5ohm HH.357 on my VMod XL w/ AW IMR 2000 3.7v battery. While it is an ok vape. The 9.12 watts it's pulling just doesn't compare to my normal 10 watt vape. Maybe another combination of battery / atomizer would get me there, but I'm really trying to avoid stacking 2 batteries to do it (for safety reasons). So if the Kick can be made to work in the VMod XL, I'd be someone who'd want to try it.

I don't see any reason the kick won't work in the xl its pretty simple all we need is some where to ground it . My kick should be here Thursday or Friday I will let you guys know asap how it goes. My reason for wanting the kick is to have that fresh battery feel all the way through the batteries cycle

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[vaptamist]

Would you mind testing that Boge 2.0 with a multi-meter or a Provari ?
My Boge "2.0" cartos are pretty consistently up near 2.2 to 2.4 ohms. I do occasionally get some real 2.0s but it isn't predictable at all.

I checked it back when I posted that, it was 2.2

 

[tearose50]

some distributors in europe ?

Yes -- there have been a couple mentioned that will be selling them that are not on the Evolv announcement, which shows only the first 4 US companies. Sorry, I don't remember the names nor know when they are expected to be available, yet.

To use Kick in an 18650 mod one uses an IMR 18490/18500 battery. IMR only.

 

[smilee]

Yes -- there have been a couple mentioned that will be selling them that are not on the Evolv announcement, which shows only the first 4 US companies. Sorry, I don't remember the names nor know when they are expected to be available, yet.

To use Kick in an 18650 mod one uses an IMR 18490/18500 battery. IMR only.

thanks

IMR apropos:
I bought one to test their legendary strength and my conclusions are as follows:

indeed a great battery, but not paid for about $ 30, I compared it with heavy loads Parameters of-cell Sanyo 18650 which I bought for $ 3 (taken out of the laptop battery), and found that it is not much worse.

2A-load voltage drop IMR is 2.3% and 3.1% of Sanyo. capacity to hold also for the benefit of IMR, but it's minimal - so is it worth to overpay?

 

[Kami]

In the UK the Kick will be sold here
Kick Will Be Landing Soon At ......... - UK Vapers
and...one other vendor....I'll find it

moju republic electronic cigarettes

 

[brian272465]

If anyone is having trouble feeding thicker juices in there vmods and feel like they have to squeez to hard try making the side air holes biger
Edit the side air holes of the atty
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[Fernand]

If anyone is having trouble feeding thicker juices in there vmods and feel like they have to squeez to hard try making the side air holes biger

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@Brian: Oh, yes, on some atties I feel a lot of resistance (i guess in hydraulics they also use that term?) at times. Very important for the life of the bottle not to force it too much: take your time. The resistance fluctuates, after being very stiff it drops again. Temperature of juice, atty, amount of liquid in chamber, in collar, etc. If you don't get too much juice in the mouthpiece, you might try the slightly tilted continuous feed, the trick is to "work" the angle.

@Smilee: In the US we don't usually see $3 18650s. The IMR costs only a little more. Theoretically IMR needs no protection circuit, they claim it cannot go into chain reaction, it's not the voltage sag issue. All 18500 and 18650 size batteries are powerful enough to deliver 1.5-2.5 A. But a 2600 mAh or bigger protected cell is more attractive for most vapers than even a 2000 mAh IMR.

BTW, with the accidents that happen, I don't think I'd vape on a cell recovered from a laptop battery with no overcharge-overdischarge-undervoltage protection circuit. We don't like to think about it, but these big LiIon batteries really hold enough energy to blow a big hole in your family's life. People like to think the last guy is in the hospital because he stacked 2 batteries, but it's not at all clear what happened.

@Brian: Yes, I can see the advantage of regulation. But then there's always a loss in a converter like the Kick. And I'm also amazed that with both .357s I'm using, I hardly see any difference in performance between a fully charged and discharged protected 18650.

I'm really curious, does anybody here get more than a couple hours serious vape off an 18650 IMR on a ProVari running say at 4.5 v?

 

[jslick_007]

@Brian - Great tip. I did notice that with a 50/50 blend it was getting harder to squish than at 80/20 and was actually going to try and thin out the juice instead. Also for those with cracks in their XL chassis, I suspect it was my more "aggressive" squishing that eventually led to the crack.

@Fernand - Can't speak to the ProVari, but on my LavaTube-clone, I get about 2 hrs. of really good vape @4.4 w/2.0 DCC tank, then it drops down to ok vape for another 2 hrs., then 2 hrs. of just vape before giving out. I too was looking more for a regulated vape, but alas the cheap VV tube just boosts what comes out. This is done using the same 18650s I rotate with my XL.