The Womper Woom OR You Might Be A Modwomper

[chopdoc]

That is best indicator that you have the perfect amount. To little give a bit harsh, to much a bit `nutty`
tasting. Good job, rayon rocks!



Indeed they do, Graham`s that is.

Either too much or too little gives me the slight nutty taste from Rayon when its new, and it last two - three puffs and then is fine.

 

[KattMamma]

Sallys sells the Graham CelluCotton coils in both Rayon and Cotton.

Make sure you get the Rayon.

Yep - that's the box I got. Think it's enough? lol

The Ordinaire or Regular means it's not the Reinforced variety, which you don't want.

Something else I didn't know!! But I do have the Ordinaire... whew!

 

[Johntodd]

Either too much or too little gives me the slight nutty taste from Rayon when its new, and it last two - three puffs and then is fine.

Me too. The nutty taste goes away after just a very few puffs even if you have too much. If you use totally way too much then it won't wick, but hey, everything has it's limits. (Except politicians, of course.)

 

[KattMamma]

well as I said, I think I overstuffed the first few.

pared back and it seems to be vaping better... but...

tank is leaking. and occasionally I can tell that the wick is going dry so I have to prime it again. Now this happens a lot with me on the stm using cotton - and actually the wicking that ends up working best often leaks a bit at first. But I understand that the cotton swells and the rayon doesn't, so I am not sure whether to hold on and see or try rewicking again.

If the taste wasn't so awesome, along with the ability to easily fill and easily see the juice level, I probably would have given up on the stm a long time ago. I have constant wicking problems and dry hits. I even thought my first one was defective so I bought a second one. Seemed better, but in hindsight, I think the arrival of the 2nd one coincided with an improvement in the stock occ coils.

I don't have wicking or dry hit problems with my delta II, ego one, or atlantis (altho I hated the atlantis). I just don't like the delta II or ego one nearly as much because of them being so hard to fill and so hard to see juice levels. The one time I got a burnt hit on the ego one was because I ran it bone dry. And even with those tiny wicking holes, it wicks better than my stm usually does. I didn't even have this much trouble with the t3d clearos I started with.

But then I'll get lucky and have a coil go 7 days with no wicking trouble or dry hits. It doesn't happen often enough, but it does happen. I don't get it. This is why I started rewicking - I figured I couldn't do any worse than the stock, and maybe I could find a way to wick these that works better for me. Eventually, if I keep these, I plan to build coils for it too. I haven't messed with the rba decks, because these are the older ones with the tiny holes and I just know that spells trouble for me.

 

[USMCotaku]

@USMCotaku CODY!! I bought some rayon at Sally and started using it yesterday. I think I used too much at first, cut back a little and it seems to be doing better. I'm such an oddball tho - nobody in the world has as much wicking trouble on these subtank minis as I do. So we will see... but right off the bat I noticed NO ICKY TASTE TO BREAK IN THE WICK!! Yay!! That alone makes it worth trying to get this down.

Oh and btw, at Sally I saw a small package that said CELLUCOTTON so I was going to get it instead of the big box. Picked it up and noticed it said 100% cotton. They didn't have the rayon in the small pkg so I got the box. $11 and change and it should last the rest of my life LOL But I thought you might want to know that Sally seems to use the word CELLUCOTTON for both 100% rayon AND 100% cotton.

That's why I mentioned checking for that 100% rayon on tha box

Benefits of rayon........
Faster wicking
Clean flavor
Zero break in
Higher scorch point
Longer lasting
Increased Nic delivery (you should notice a bit more throat hit).
And at $11-12 for a box large enough for life time supply, cheaper

 

[USMCotaku]

well as I said, I think I overstuffed the first few.

pared back and it seems to be vaping better... but...

tank is leaking. and occasionally I can tell that the wick is going dry so I have to prime it again. Now this happens a lot with me on the stm using cotton - and actually the wicking that ends up working best often leaks a bit at first. But I understand that the cotton swells and the rayon doesn't, so I am not sure whether to hold on and see or try rewicking again.

If the taste wasn't so awesome, along with the ability to easily fill and easily see the juice level, I probably would have given up on the stm a long time ago. I have constant wicking problems and dry hits. I even thought my first one was defective so I bought a second one. Seemed better, but in hindsight, I think the arrival of the 2nd one coincided with an improvement in the stock occ coils.

I don't have wicking or dry hit problems with my delta II, ego one, or atlantis (altho I hated the atlantis). I just don't like the delta II or ego one nearly as much because of them being so hard to fill and so hard to see juice levels. The one time I got a burnt hit on the ego one was because I ran it bone dry. And even with those tiny wicking holes, it wicks better than my stm usually does. I didn't even have this much trouble with the t3d clearos I started with.

But then I'll get lucky and have a coil go 7 days with no wicking trouble or dry hits. It doesn't happen often enough, but it does happen. I don't get it. This is why I started rewicking - I figured I couldn't do any worse than the stock, and maybe I could find a way to wick these that works better for me. Eventually, if I keep these, I plan to build coils for it too. I haven't messed with the rba decks, because these are the older ones with the tiny holes and I just know that spells trouble for me.

I have zero wicking issues with the older style rba, unmodified. You should try it out.... Easiest deck to build on.....evar!
When you do, you want enough rayon in the coil to create "shoulders", where the wick puffs out s bit at the edges of the coil, then thin out the tails going down to the juice channels....i thin mine out by half.

On the occ coils, if rewicking them, I've learned that they will leak like crazy if you don't poke the wick tails into the holes, so that it looks like it did from the factory.

 

[KattMamma]

That's why I mentioned checking for that 100% rayon on tha box

Sorry, forgive an old lady and her failing memory... I only remembered you saying "look for cellucotton"

I DO think the flavor is better... I hate the taste of breaking in cotton...

And I'm hoping once I figure out the exact right amount of rayon to use, my wicking problems will be a thing of the past. Fingers crossed.

And yes.. a lifetime and then some. I'm taking some to a coworker tomorrow to spread the love. lol

 

[KattMamma]

I have zero wicking issues with the older style rba, unmodified.

You and lots of other stm users. I seem to be in a class by myself - cursed with wicking problems and dry hits no matter what I do.

On the occ coils, if rewicking them, I've learned that they will leak like crazy if you don't poke the wick tails into the holes, so that it looks like it did from the factory.

Hmmm. I did notice that I would poke the rayon in on one side, flip it over to do the other side, and by then the first side had sprung back out!! It took quite a bit of poking to get it to stay. Springy stuff lol. I wonder if pushing on it so much can compress it, like cotton, and cause wicking problems?

 

[Johntodd]

For me, it seems like I have to use "too much" rayon.

I come from a cotton background - so when I say "too much" rayon, I mean more than one would ever use with cotton. The rayon SHOULD tug at the coil when you insert it, and when you rock the wick back and forth, it should NOT slide, but rather tip the mod back-and-forth with it.

That seems to be just right. Like I said, way too much for cotton.

 

[KattMamma]

For me, it seems like I have to use "too much" rayon.

I come from a cotton background - so when I say "too much" rayon, I mean more than one would ever use with cotton. The rayon SHOULD tug at the coil when you insert it, and when you rock the wick back and forth, it should NOT slide, but rather tip the mod back-and-forth with it.

That seems to be just right. Like I said, way too much for cotton.

That's what I had read - some said about 20% more. I don't rewick with it on the mod, but rather hold the coil in my fingers, but when I pulled and it seemed "stuck" I thought I was good. I think it was too much.

I've been using less, although it's so danged hard to really measure how much you're using. Maybe I'll get it right. lol

 

[Johntodd]

You will. I went back between too much and not enough rayon till I got it right. Just takes practice. Totally worth it!

 

[Luke95]

Capuchin at 200 watts when people try your box is hilarious. A reasonably good looking girl asked Yo try it and she just coughed her brains out.

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[KattMamma]

You will. I went back between too much and not enough rayon till I got it right. Just takes practice. Totally worth it!

well I think I might have got one going... the one that was leaking has quit leaking and it is hitting quite nicely now!! that's so weird... I often hang onto the coils that leak right after rewicking because they usually turn out to be the best ones after the leaking stops. I have no idea why though.

the other one... well, I just rewicked a 3rd time (today - plus 2 or 3 yesterday lol)... so far it doesn't seem to want to wick. I'll give it a little more time before rewicking a 4th time... I should be getting good at this quickly or I may need that whole box of rayon after all!

 

[USMCotaku]

You'll get it yet!
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[chopdoc]

Kat, do you have the old style deck on your STM or the new style? The new style has two holes in line with the coil and wick. If you have the old style, unmodified then they dont like anything over 70VG/30PG and are better with 50/50. The new style, I run max VG with them. With both of them I use either Rayon or Cotton and wick the same way. Just enough so a slight resistance pulling thru, and I trim them just a bit past the threaded part, then hold each end up above the coil while putting the chamber on it. Then gently tuck the wick down and screw the very top cap on it. Mine never leak and wick just fine. Only time I ever got a dry hit is running heavy VG juice in unmodified RBA's or when the tank was actually bone dry.

 

[TrollDragon]

Good to hear you got it wicking with the Rayon Katt. I never got into the STM's as they make way too much noise for me to vape in the house. I have Rayon in the Kanfun's, Flashi's, Roses and my drippers, all wicking like a charm. I did try Rayon twice in the Big German but it had leaked on me quite bad. The weight of 10ml's of juice above the deck and the ability of Rayon to wick up the last little drop of juice, probably wicked it right down the dual air holes. The bottom collector cup was full of juice. I switched it back to Japanese cotton and haven't had it leak since. So the Big German will use Cotton Labo and everything else will be Rayon except the Gennys.

I love Rayon in the Origen Dripper or any dripper for that mater as you can vape the resvoir totally dry. Fill it with a different flavor and have almost no residual taste of the previous juice.

 

[chopdoc]

I did it! Quad coil on my other Velocity. Couldnt find my 24 ga kanthal so did it with 26 ga. Each coil is 6 wraps and it ohms out at .24 ohms and am vaping it at 150 watts on the Snow Wolf. I took it up to 200 watts just to be able to say I have vaped at 200 watts but the flavor is better at 150 watts.

For those electrician kind of vapors, let me ask. It says I am vaping it at 200 watts with a .24 ohm build at 28.9 amps. Does that mean each battery is supplying 28.9 amps or do they each provide half that much for an accumulative total. I believe the Snow Wolf batteries are in series.
Will post pics of the build later when the missus goes to bed. She is snoozing on the couch behind me and if I turn the lights on to take pictures the nagging will begin.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Due to differences in the batteries they do not each supply 1/2 of the total current Might be as much off as 70/30 or so.
One risk of high wattage vaping is that with paralell batteries if one has a bad connection the other one is providing ALL of the amperage.
Always make sure your contacts and such are clean.

 

[TrollDragon]

Series will increase voltage but retain current capacity and parallel will retain the voltage but increase the current from what I understand. Which is why you should pair up batteries for parallel or series boxes.

 

[woodhippy]

Due to differences in the batteries they do not each supply 1/2 of the total current Might be as much off as 70/30 or so.
One risk of high wattage vaping is that with paralell batteries if one has a bad connection the other one is providing ALL of the amperage.
Always make sure your contacts and such are clean.

Is this why one battery charges faster than the other on a married pair