Lotz plenty I knew all about ohms law, capacitance, inductance, current, resistance and a few other things
These people are going to kill themselves
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Lotz plenty I knew all about ohms law, capacitance, inductance, current, resistance and a few other things
B&M's should consider putting up a sign at their build station...
"coils under 1.2 ohms are Use at your own risk"
"coils under 1.2 ohms are Use at your own risk"
Ohms law, watts law, and basic electronic theory was taught in high school when I was a kid.
I've been familiar with the root concepts since I was a teenager.
Battery technology has evolved more recently, so now there are safer IMR batteries.
None of this is new.
This is primitive electronics, basic high school stuff. Don't they have shop class anymore?
Wow!
In the State I live in, "Shop Classes" for the Most Part have gone the way of the Dinosaurs.
BTW - How Many Girls were in those Shop Classes when you Took them? And How Many people Didn't Take Shop or even Graduate rom High School?
Just thumbing through a few of these threads I noticed the "Corvette" being equated to vaping sub ohm and how if the Corvette was wrapped around a tree, somehow it would be the fault of the tire company or the guy who fixed it or some such nonsense.
WHO THE [edited] BUY'S A CORVETTE AND PLANS TO PLAY BY THE RULES??!!
I don't think anybody who buys a car like that, or for that matter an advanced PV, plans on driving 55 everywhere they go and or vaping at 2 to 3 ohms.
Reality is, if you plan on driving 55, buy a Geo or a Smart Car. And if you don't want to accept the concequences of using advanced equipment, buy a starter kit with some ce4's.
IMHO
WHO THE [edited] BUY'S A CORVETTE AND PLANS TO PLAY BY THE RULES??!!
I don't think anybody who buys a car like that, or for that matter an advanced PV, plans on driving 55 everywhere they go and or vaping at 2 to 3 ohms.
Reality is, if you plan on driving 55, buy a Geo or a Smart Car. And if you don't want to accept the concequences of using advanced equipment, buy a starter kit with some ce4's.
IMHO
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It was about 50/50 in the electronic class, less in woodworking.
Back then, you could learn stuff in a school.
More people graduated because we had actual teachers that taught.
This was before the date dropped the standard so low any ..... could pass.
Ever wonder why older people seem smarter? It ain't just experience.
They received a much better basic education.
We didn't have google to give us an encyclopedia in our pocket.
We actually had to learn and pay attention or we could get hurt.
Life is dangerous, and you aren't gonna make it out alive.
Only in a video game.
Actually, corvette's number one demographic is 45-65 males in the 100k+ annual income range.
Most drive them with common sense.
The ones that do not usually realize the fact that the cars limits are well beyond the limits of their driving skills, and they wreck.
Guess who gets the blame?
Thank you for proving my point.
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No Argument there.
When No Classes are offered at the High School Level for students that are not going on to College, you have people Dumped out into the Work Force with No Real World Skills. A Large Percentage of People.
All I'm saying is that Most of the People who Use and e-Cigarette do Not Have a very good understanding of Batteries and Volts, Ohms and Amps.
I never said that the B&M should assume 100% Responsibility for Everything they Sell. Because there Will Always be Someone who Uses Something Incorrectly.
But I also Can't buy into the Concept that it is 100% the Buyer's Responsibility when buying something at a B&M. Not when the Percentage of People who Don't Understand Batteries and Volts, Ohms and Amps far Exceeds those who Do.
I think there has to be a Shared Responsibility between the Two.
This isn't the B&Ms fault.
At what point in life did these people think that their safety in life rests in someone else's hands?
I'm still missing that part.
Ignorance really is no excuse.
Where does the liabity flip over to a shop owner?
No, the responsible party is the buyer who willingly chose to bypass the educational process.
With your line of thinking they should be aw to sue the school for not educating them.
The buck has to stop somewhere.
It should stop at the buyers feet.
You are responsible for your own actions.
Anything less is a cop out.
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It's All Good Bad Ninja.
Everyone has a View on things. B&M and Sub-Ohm Coils should be No Exception.
But I would be Curious what your Reaction would be if you took your Car in for Service and they put the Wrong Battery in it. Which Fried your Car's Electrical System.
Would you say that ... "You are responsible for your own actions. Anything less is a cop out."? Or would you Be Mad as Hell and Want to Sue them?
I think Most of Us Know what We Think your would Do.
It's All Good Bad Ninja.
Everyone has a View on things. B&M and Sub-Ohm Coils should be No Exception.
But I would be Curious what your Reaction would be if you took your Car in for Service and they put the Wrong Battery in it. Which Fried your Car's Electrical System.
Would you say that ... "You are responsible for your own actions. Anything less is a cop out."? Or would you Be Mad as Hell and Want to Sue them?
I think Most of Us Know what We Think your would Do.
If I asked for the special snowmobile battery to be installed in my corvette, yes it is my fault for asking specifically for the wrong equipment.
Impossible for me to sue them.
It was my mistake for asking.
You have to ask for a sub ohm build.
Atomizers don't come built with .2 ohm coils.
Common sense people.
Quit trying to blame others for your own ignorance.
My high school, back in the '70s, had a fantastic in-school electronics program. First, a half year course in basic electronics. Then, 2 years of advanced electronics and each class was 2 periods long. I took them all and did very well.
Then forgot just about everything except how to safely use a meter and zero it out -- lucky me that's about all I need for rebuilding my Kanger heads. We're talking tubes and transistors back then. Used to build our own cheap synthesizers, Radio Shack owned me.
Where are such classes today? It was the suburbs, our town wasn't rich. But we had tons of resources in school back then. If you wanted to be a motorhead or a face painter, you could be bussed to a trade school for half the day.
Heard about a school that got all these brand new donated computers, but the principal and teachers don't want to use them because they are so sure the kids will break and steal them in a day. Pathetic.
Then forgot just about everything except how to safely use a meter and zero it out -- lucky me that's about all I need for rebuilding my Kanger heads. We're talking tubes and transistors back then. Used to build our own cheap synthesizers, Radio Shack owned me.
Where are such classes today? It was the suburbs, our town wasn't rich. But we had tons of resources in school back then. If you wanted to be a motorhead or a face painter, you could be bussed to a trade school for half the day.
Heard about a school that got all these brand new donated computers, but the principal and teachers don't want to use them because they are so sure the kids will break and steal them in a day. Pathetic.
Schools spend the money on contractors to pave parking lots, paint buildings, and kickback funds to school board members.
But books and learning tools?
Never have enough.
I'm a parent and I could go on for hours ablut how screwed up the schools are today.
No sense responsibility taught to these kids today.
It's shameful.
There's something similar I've been fighting for years in the motorcycling community.
Current run of the mill sport bikes have performance which exceed that of the fastest competition machines of a couple of decades ago. We're talking under 400 pounds and well in excess of 175 horsepower. In the wrong hands, or with improper or unskilled control inputs they're just flat out dangerous, and all too often lethal.
Yet every day absolute beginners go out and buy these machines with the admonishment that if they "respect the throttle" it's a fine beginner bike.
Yeah, not so much...
Education is the only answer. People don't know what they don't know in too many cases. Sadly, what you don't know can seriously injure or kill you.
Current run of the mill sport bikes have performance which exceed that of the fastest competition machines of a couple of decades ago. We're talking under 400 pounds and well in excess of 175 horsepower. In the wrong hands, or with improper or unskilled control inputs they're just flat out dangerous, and all too often lethal.
Yet every day absolute beginners go out and buy these machines with the admonishment that if they "respect the throttle" it's a fine beginner bike.
Yeah, not so much...
Education is the only answer. People don't know what they don't know in too many cases. Sadly, what you don't know can seriously injure or kill you.
Where are the electronics classes now? I think they were outsourced to other countries, in its place now we have courses on sensitivity, diversity and equality. Heck, I remember my HS had a RIFLE CLUB, LOL imagine that nowadays, people would brand that school as breeding mass murderers or something along those lines.
More bans and restrictions are never the answer.
Education is the key.
Don't support stupidity. Call out ignorance at every turn.
This is a fantastic industry that is in its infancy.
Don't let it become manipulated by rules and bans.
Use common sense.
You all know right from wrong.
Don't shy from integrity and responsibility.
This is our industry to build as we wish.
Let's demand honesty, integrity, and education.
Let's demand we be treated right by vendors and let them know we won't accept anything less.
Set the bar high and don't compromise ethics.
You'll all be glad we did.
Education is the key.
Don't support stupidity. Call out ignorance at every turn.
This is a fantastic industry that is in its infancy.
Don't let it become manipulated by rules and bans.
Use common sense.
You all know right from wrong.
Don't shy from integrity and responsibility.
This is our industry to build as we wish.
Let's demand honesty, integrity, and education.
Let's demand we be treated right by vendors and let them know we won't accept anything less.
Set the bar high and don't compromise ethics.
You'll all be glad we did.
What if you just ask them to put a New Battery in your Car? And Don't Specify any Specific Battery?
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Ahhh, the good ol' days...I had an electronics shop class, ran into Ohm's Law for the first time in 1963....
Kid doing stupid things weren't very different....we had a substitute teacher one day in electronics shop, we reduced her to tears. Half the class was playing with a Jacob's Ladder, while the other half were jamming AM radio in the neighborhood with a home-built transmitter. Ended up with the whole class sitting with our hands in full view, couldn't open a book to hide behind even...deservedly so...
I've been trying in my local area to explain to people that sub ohming is dangerous, and to safely do it you need specific types of batteries to go with low low low resistance coils. >.> I know what you mean, all of these people just want large clouds, but it's not so easy. There's math involved (fairly simple math at that) to be able to do these builds safely, but they don't want to be bothered with it. The other day one of my friends asked me to wrap him a sub-ohm dual coil, I had to tell him that to get as low as he wanted I needed him to go buy either an AW IMR 18650 or a sony 30 amp and had to explain to him all of the terrible things that could happen should he not. What if my friend had gone to a vendor that hadn't given a crap for these coils? People really need to stop assuming that when people ask to have coils wrapped, that they know what they are doing.
Then you would have the exact battery that came from the factory.
Apply the analogy to coils, and you would get the factory build which is never sub ohm.
Again, you get what you ask for.
Responsibility is on you to know what you ask for.
If you go out of your way to ask for AND pay cash for a sun ohm build, it's definitely on you to know what you ask for.
Otherwise you are just another idiot that deserves all the pain you paid good money to receive.
Sure, If some "wanna be cloud chaser" walks into a shop and ASKS for a sub ohm coil.....They should accept responsibility, without a doubt.
I started a thread similar to this a few weeks back. A friend of mine walks into a B&M and just says "hey I need my coil rebuilt" associate obliges....Builds him a .3 ohm coil....on his 18350 battery....NOT ok in my book (considering my friend didn't/doesn't care about blowing clouds, he just needed a rebuild)
Think what you will, everyone has their own opinions on the matter. I agree, everyone should take responsibility for his/her actions. That also goes for associates building unsafe coils though. If I'm a mechanic and someone comes to me and says "Hey, I need a new crankshaft." and I slap a racing crank in. Who's to blame when that crank snaps a piston, or blows the engine? The consumer just because they asked for a new crankshaft?
Maybe not the best example but you get the idea...
I started a thread similar to this a few weeks back. A friend of mine walks into a B&M and just says "hey I need my coil rebuilt" associate obliges....Builds him a .3 ohm coil....on his 18350 battery....NOT ok in my book (considering my friend didn't/doesn't care about blowing clouds, he just needed a rebuild)
Think what you will, everyone has their own opinions on the matter. I agree, everyone should take responsibility for his/her actions. That also goes for associates building unsafe coils though. If I'm a mechanic and someone comes to me and says "Hey, I need a new crankshaft." and I slap a racing crank in. Who's to blame when that crank snaps a piston, or blows the engine? The consumer just because they asked for a new crankshaft?
Maybe not the best example but you get the idea...
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