These people are going to kill themselves
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I just hope the War on vape is done and over with soon... so turbo-Darwinism can work its wonders without it blowing back on all of us.
There's also a reason why hemorrhoid cream says DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY, cuz someone did Lol.
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It's some as a courtesy. McLawsuits are actually banned.
As a courtesy responsible shops probably should place a disclaimer, "Use at own risk" or something.
Im wondering why would they think that?
Is that really how people think these days?
I don't think people are really that stupid, in general but ya maybe a few nutters.
you can't save people from themselves. Do not expect to be rescued from your own lack of planning and preparation.
Man up. You are always responsible for your own actions.
Always
A Vape store owner should be pretty firm about not allowing employees to build ANYTHING for ANY customer. What they build on their own time and/or hurt themselves with should not be blamed on anyone but themselves.
I absolutely love Darwin Awards, my good friend is an EMT and the stories I hear every weekend about people who become victims of themselves, well, it just never ever gets old. It does make you wonder time to time how some people continue to manage defying the odds of natural selection though.
I absolutely love Darwin Awards, my good friend is an EMT and the stories I hear every weekend about people who become victims of themselves, well, it just never ever gets old. It does make you wonder time to time how some people continue to manage defying the odds of natural selection though.
I recently got back into vaping and discovered that rebuilding coils is the big thing. I have no desire to go sub ohm right now, I am trying to master builds at 1.2 ohms. Thanks to forums like this, I know how to check my coil resistance and build safely.
However I'm still worried about shops setting people up with unsafe builds. Right now I love how easy it is to order supplies and gourmet juice online, and the proliferation of B&M shops is awesome and probably will do wonders for people trying to quit smoking. Inevitably someone will burn their face off with an unsafe build, and all of a sudden all the background noise about regulating or banning the sale of ecigs and juice will become very loud.
However I'm still worried about shops setting people up with unsafe builds. Right now I love how easy it is to order supplies and gourmet juice online, and the proliferation of B&M shops is awesome and probably will do wonders for people trying to quit smoking. Inevitably someone will burn their face off with an unsafe build, and all of a sudden all the background noise about regulating or banning the sale of ecigs and juice will become very loud.
That's not the way litigation works. It's called "failure to warn" - even for things you may not have conceived could be done with the device. Ask the former owner of PureSmoker.
Agreed other then if new buyer goes into a shop and someone they believe has more knowledge on said subject matter wraps the coil the coil wrapper is just as liable
Buyer responsibility if buyer wraps the coils.
However, in this case it seems the coils are being wrapped by someone at the vape shop and sold as ready to use.
If the vendor sells gear, and sets it up in a way that is not within the specifications of the gear itself and hands it to a consumer to use...then the vendor could well be liable.
If a restaurant can get its pants sued off for having coffee that is too hot and lose, then handing a customer a 0.3 Ohm PV with an 18350 battery rated C5 or so would certainly have a tough case on their hands if sued.
As for torts...a sane and reasonable retailer would check the C rating and other specifications of any 'kit' they bundle and sell in a way that is intended to be used together.
In states that have laws more tilted to consumer protections...there's no way I would wrap a coil on an RBA or RBT and sell it ready to vape. Some states have liability laws so skewed towards consumer protection that I'd be hesitant to even go into business...let alone hand people a device that's pulling 14 amps from a 5 amp battery.
However, in this case it seems the coils are being wrapped by someone at the vape shop and sold as ready to use.
If the vendor sells gear, and sets it up in a way that is not within the specifications of the gear itself and hands it to a consumer to use...then the vendor could well be liable.
If a restaurant can get its pants sued off for having coffee that is too hot and lose, then handing a customer a 0.3 Ohm PV with an 18350 battery rated C5 or so would certainly have a tough case on their hands if sued.
As for torts...a sane and reasonable retailer would check the C rating and other specifications of any 'kit' they bundle and sell in a way that is intended to be used together.
In states that have laws more tilted to consumer protections...there's no way I would wrap a coil on an RBA or RBT and sell it ready to vape. Some states have liability laws so skewed towards consumer protection that I'd be hesitant to even go into business...let alone hand people a device that's pulling 14 amps from a 5 amp battery.
I just don't see it as being 100% on the Buyer to be an Expert on Everything they Buy in a B&M.
I think some Responsibility is on the Store Owner if they Build a Coil and then sell a Battery that can't Handle the Amps Draw.
We can Argue the Percentages, but I think there is a Shared Responsibility between the Buyer and the Seller in a B&M. Especially when the Buyer asks 7 simple words... "Will this Battery Work in My Mod?".
That's when alarm sirens should go off... red lights blink... and the customer taken to the back room, strapped to a chair and forced to watch a slide show of one of Baditudes write-ups on battery safety... Clockwork Orange style.
If one asks "Will this battery work in my mod", one should not be using mechanical mods. Same goes for the question "Can you set this up for me?" and rebuildable atties.
It's sort of like renting out a car without checking if the rentee has a drivers license.
It's some as a courtesy. McLawsuits are actually banned.
The old lady in the "McLawsuit" was only suing for the difference between what her Medicaid would pay for her burns and what the hospital charged for the multiple skin graphs she required. The jury saw her medical reports and decided she deserved waaay more than that. McDonald's agreed to settle under the terms that the old lady was gagged. As soon as the old lady was gagged Mcdonald's used it's media influence to accuse her of being greedy and litigious. She couldn't present evidence otherwise because she was gagged. Flash forward to now that she's dead, and the evidence can be released. Re-evaluate the case my friend. The doctor's were appalled at the heat necessary to produce the damage this poor old lady had to her vagina. Apparently, the jury agreed with the doctors. Hard for me to feel sorry for corporations who can ruin people's lives, then dangle the hope of returning regularity to their existence in exchange for the victim's silence so they can continue to victimize others and get away with it. Just a bit of accuracy here.
Hot coffee is dangerous as is driving and sitting on a red hot stove eye. I'm sorry she got burned and I'm sorry about highway fatalities. Need more bubble wrap I guess.
Oh emus. I wasn't trying to make anyone sorry. I was just trying to make people aware of the leverage some companies have to demonize a perfectly justified lawsuit. Especially, when the victim has to agree to be silent to get anything for the time, pain and effort put into obtaining deserved restitution. Which, all to often, results in the victim being made out to be the bad guy by the company that threatened to bleed them dry through legal procedures if they don't settle for a pay-off to shut up.
Vape shops arent huge corporations, good lord most are small businesses!
Your statements are wayyy out of context.
Secondly, that McDonalds lawsuit spurned some pansies that actually tried to sue McDonalds for obesity.
In 2005 the house passed laws that banned "McLawsuits". (Frivolous litigation used to wrongly place liability).
You are ultimately responsible for your actions.
Stop blaming others for your mistakes.
As a side note: I am sorry the old lady got burned but I'll bet she knew that coffee was hot all along, with or without a warning label, don't you?
(If here had been a warning label, she would not have had a lawsuit
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Law suits won or lost would still result in negative ecig portrayals in the media. We are at the edge of big change in how the business is done, let's not go pushing it the wrong way.
I do not agree. Again most people aren't that stupid.
You can't force store to start accepting that liability.
This is a slippery slope.
This is how e cigs will get banned.... Speculative BS liability.
No one would win a lawsuit against a vape store in this context.
I doubt a court would hear it.
You are responsible for your own stupid mistakes.
Grow up people.
Or this will b a harsh life lesson.
Vape shops arent huge corporations, good lord most are small businesses!
Your statements are wayyy out of context.
Secondly, that McDonalds lawsuit spurned some pansies that actually tried to sue McDonalds for obesity.
In 2005 the house passed laws that banned "McLawsuits". (Frivolous litigation used to wrongly place liability).
You are ultimately responsible for your actions.
Stop blaming others for your mistakes.
As a side note: I am sorry the old lady got burned but I'll bet she knew that coffee was hot all along, with or without a warning label, don't you?
(If here had been a warning label, she would not have had a lawsuit
It's debatable. I don't think slapping a warning label on something should completely absolve a company from the responsibility of providing reasonabe levels of safety. Accidents happen, coffee gets spilled. To avoid issues it's probably best not to hand people a substance that can cause second and third degree burns. For even more common sense, maybe substances with a high spill rate and potential for harm shouldn't be handed out to people in vehicles. That is of course, unless the temp is adjusted to only cause a worst-case scenario of first degree burns. I mean, these are commuters getting coffee through a drive through, not roofers putting on a layer of flat-top tar.
The fast food industry's employees have to get government assistance to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year because their employers refuse to pay a living wage. WE pay that 7 billion. On top of that, WE pay the cost of health-care for the effects of this cheap food from low-paid workers. So, fast food is subsidized in multiple ways. If the health cost of the fast food industry was paid up front, when you by the food, it would be a more accurate reflection of the true cost of cheap food. It's only cheap now, the diverticulitis later is the real cost. That banning of "Mclawsuits" was passed at a time while the victim was still alive and gagged, like many. So, of course there wasn't much dissent. The dissenters were gagged. Chalk up another point for big business making themselves the victim.
Sorry, but I don't see how holding the right people accountable is blaming someone else for a mistake. I'd rather put blame where blame is due instead of defaulting to a "blame the victim" mentality. Mainly, because the victim is not the one being paid for their so called "expertise". The victim is the one paying for the "expertise". To me, it's like a social contract. An implied agreement. I agree to pay you more for this product than I would pay online because it's worth having knowledgeable staff point you in the right direction.
And yes, vape shops are mostly mom and pops. All the more reason to develop a lasting and trusting relationship with the customer through knowledge and service. Good conversation though. Don't think I'm disparaging you for your opinion. Just further elaborating on mine.
I beg to differ.................rather I would say that they lack the common sense required rather than say they are/were stupid.
Ever read the disclaimer on your coffee maker or toaster? How many unplug the coffee maker before going to bed? What's the point of a timer? How many charge their battery-operated devices overnight unattended? The mfgs/vendors know they're going to and that's why the disclaimers on every site I've seen. Some, and its fast becoming the majority, throw caution to the wind but those concerned about law suits usually cover themselves.
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