but it still sucked not getting paid for staying late so frequently. every other job i worked you at least got some overtime out of it. i did it, no i didnt care for it. one of biggest issues i had was not knowing if i had to stay ahead of time. my scheduled hours meant nothing
they fired me for vaping outside
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I am shocked by how many of you just accept this type of company police, even defend it!
I guess not the same ones who quote "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Keep bowing to stupid unnecessary vengeful rules and the list will keep growing.
I guess not the same ones who quote "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Keep bowing to stupid unnecessary vengeful rules and the list will keep growing.
There is an old saying, "he may not always be right, but he's always the boss" comes to mind!
New York appears to be an "at will employment" state, that is an employee not bound by an employment contract can be dismissed for any reason and without warning. While that may suck or be unfair, that is the law. Even without that knowledge or if I am mistaken on NY employment laws, it is never a good idea to break company policies, no matter how insane or unacceptable they may be, and then put all the blame on the business when the hammer falls.
I guess by my comments, you could say I am defending the company policies. I prefer to see it as I am defending any business owner's right to establish their own policies, not just the ones approved by their employees.
New York appears to be an "at will employment" state, that is an employee not bound by an employment contract can be dismissed for any reason and without warning. While that may suck or be unfair, that is the law. Even without that knowledge or if I am mistaken on NY employment laws, it is never a good idea to break company policies, no matter how insane or unacceptable they may be, and then put all the blame on the business when the hammer falls.
I guess by my comments, you could say I am defending the company policies. I prefer to see it as I am defending any business owner's right to establish their own policies, not just the ones approved by their employees.
sounds like they have cameras in use... and you were recorded..
fate does some weird things, it was meant to happen and send you down a different path on to something else...
there is always a better job out there...
fate does some weird things, it was meant to happen and send you down a different path on to something else...
there is always a better job out there...
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Not being able to vape at work is hardly trading away one's liberty.....it's not slavery, you get a paycheck and if you don't like it nobody is holding you prisoner. You can leave and find another job.
There is no right to vape at a private place of business. If you don't like workplace policy then you either break it and get fired, or you give your notice and move on.
Like I said, there were many years I wanted to bring my dog to work. I had to find a company who would let me do that.
If by temporary security, you mean not putting your children out on the street because you have no job and no way to put food on the table or put a roof over their head because you made vaping more important than your job..................yeah, most people (thankfully) do "go" for that kind of security.
It's called maturity and the ability to deal with reality.
Sounds like they were looking for a reason to get rid of someone, or you, or anyone that doesn't show they will submit.... And you paint a picture of more managers than hard workers, wow. I would agree that what happened was ... inevitable ... maybe they will live and learn maybe not. Good luck!
What astounds me is that few people, especially nonsmokers, nonvapers, non-etc. see how unreasonable and invasive demands say a lot about the people they might work for. That said, I put up with a little of that myself, although it was more a request. It's those that actually welcome restriction of anything they don't do, and there are many, that are Sheep.
... maybe they will live and learn maybe not. Good luck!What astounds me is that few people, especially nonsmokers, nonvapers, non-etc. see how unreasonable and invasive demands say a lot about the people they might work for. That said, I put up with a little of that myself, although it was more a request. It's those that actually welcome restriction of anything they don't do, and there are many, that are Sheep.
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The policy is based on ignorance and control. Any decent business owners take their employees concerns about onerous policies into consideration and work together to find a reasonable solution. Authoritarian companies don't. You'll be much better off finding another job than dealing with unreasonable business owners. You had a right to feel like the ANTZ BS was overbearing be cause it is.
It's been happening for years, the worker gets squeezed a little more each year. Sometimes it's money, often it's increased workload, some places you are not able to fart without a co-worker complaining to management.
Some workers are just downright cut-throat. Ratting out others for having even one hair out of place (or even farting) is more and more common. They believe it advances them within the company, raises them up by stepping on you.
Companies encourage this "policing" by fellow employees as it makes managements jobs easier and they need to have less on staff.
There used to be comroderie among employees, we may even, god forbid, cover for one another at times. We would get the job done and be happy, friendly and even, dare I say it...ENJOY WORKING?
Yeah, all the enjoyment gets squeezed from our lives from all sides, is it any wonder people snap, lash out, or lose control trying to break free of all the oppression and demands that, added up can make our lives unbearable? No.
The word comroderie does not even show up in the google dictionary, maybe I've misspelt it, maybe it no longer exists. Probably the latter. Cheers.
Some workers are just downright cut-throat. Ratting out others for having even one hair out of place (or even farting) is more and more common. They believe it advances them within the company, raises them up by stepping on you.
Companies encourage this "policing" by fellow employees as it makes managements jobs easier and they need to have less on staff.
There used to be comroderie among employees, we may even, god forbid, cover for one another at times. We would get the job done and be happy, friendly and even, dare I say it...ENJOY WORKING?
Yeah, all the enjoyment gets squeezed from our lives from all sides, is it any wonder people snap, lash out, or lose control trying to break free of all the oppression and demands that, added up can make our lives unbearable? No.
The word comroderie does not even show up in the google dictionary, maybe I've misspelt it, maybe it no longer exists. Probably the latter. Cheers.
After I copypasted your word into google search, I got this:
ca·ma·ra·de·rie
ˌkäməˈrädərē,ˌkaməˈrädərē/
noun
- mutual trust and friendship among people who spend a lot of time together.
"a genuine camaraderie on the hockey team"
synonyms: friendship, comradeship, fellowship, companionship, fraternity, conviviality; More
Thank-you!
So there is at least one place where camaraderie can be found. haha.
By no means is that the only thing wrong. Another thing is employers and governments adopting petty, arbitrary and unnecessary rules, while at the same time engaging in truly harmful practices, e.g., unsanitary procedures and a dangerous work environment at a milk processing facility, or destroying thousands of small businesses that have been helping people switch from smoking to vaping.
I worked at a place once that allowed smoking at your desk. So I did. (It was a very busy job, so most of 'em just burned up in the ashtray.) Then they decided to make us go outside to smoke, which was fine, since I wasn't smoking much at my desk anyway, and it gave me a chance to go out and stretch my legs and take a break. Then our health insurance provider said they'd give the company a HUGE discount if they banned smoking on the premises. So they did. We smokers had to walk down to the end of the driveway and stand on the other side of the gate to take our smoke breaks.
So there might have been a reason the milk plant said no smoking/vaping on the property. It could very well have been an insurance issue (whether health insurance or property insurance). Back when I was still working, vaping hadn't been invented yet, but I'm sure that company I worked for would have made me go stand outside the gate even if I was just vaping. THAT part I think is stupid, because vaping is definitely NOT smoking, but the great unwashed masses don't know that. It "looks" like smoking, therefore it IS smoking.
So there might have been a reason the milk plant said no smoking/vaping on the property. It could very well have been an insurance issue (whether health insurance or property insurance). Back when I was still working, vaping hadn't been invented yet, but I'm sure that company I worked for would have made me go stand outside the gate even if I was just vaping. THAT part I think is stupid, because vaping is definitely NOT smoking, but the great unwashed masses don't know that. It "looks" like smoking, therefore it IS smoking.
It doesn't really matter what the reason was for them to prohibit the practice on the premises. The OP has been complaining about the company off and on for over 18 months now and knew what the policy was. It was his choice to violate that policy and now is dealing with the consequences.
Hopefully it's a lesson learned as the next job will also have policies that must be adhered to, and just because one doesn't like them, doesn't mean they can be broken at will without paying the piper.
Hopefully it's a lesson learned as the next job will also have policies that must be adhered to, and just because one doesn't like them, doesn't mean they can be broken at will without paying the piper.
First thing that comes to mind is vaping is not smoking. Period. A decent company should give a wellness credit and make allowances (Vaping areas) for a dedicated employee making healthy lifestyle changes that will improve their wellness instead of punishing them out of ignorance. The only life lesson here is corporations are full of BS decision makers making poorly thought out policies.
So this quality control ratfink has you fired for having a vape. While at the same time putting thousands or millions of milk drinkers' health at risk by turning a blind eye to the protocols/rules that are in place to protect consumers?
Ethics?????
Working alone in many places is illegal, as you pointed out if an accident had happened you would have been alone for hours without any help, perhaps left to die.
If an accident had happened it would have been put on you(now dead) for doing something improperly.
Ethics????
Did you take pictures of the infractions they made over time?
Proving anything now, after you've been dismissed will be very hard.
Companies that suck the humanity out of their employees by treating them as you have been treated deserve to be taken to task.
You(and I) are imperfect human beings, we make mistakes.
Corporations, on the other hand, are large profit driven entities, responsible only to their share holders, they, as evidenced by their practices care not one wit for you, me, or any of their customers.
Ethics????
THEY, are not human. THEY are not worth more than you, me, or their customers.
No ethics in view????
Gather all the evidence you have.
Document every time you were asked or expected to work late, by yourself, alone.
Document every time you observed them using the petunia water to clean equipment that should have been sterile.
Document other infractions in detail. Is there a milk board in your state? A health department?
Yes, you are a disgruntled employee, that ratfink QC person had you screwed!
It's only human to screw 'em back.
Hopefully it'll cost more than their job, maybe the company, once investigated further, will be fined into bankruptcy! Hopefully there will be jail time involved.
I'm a milk drinker, I've had milk I thought was off. I've had negative health issues possibly caused from the tainted milk I was drinking.
If you are going to "screw 'em" don't go off half cocked. Fully load with documentation, find the right group to investigate further and have the ...... nailed to the wall.
Vaping has not one thing to do with this, it's about health and safety, good practices and cleanliness for a food processing company.
Stick it to them hard! Not for revenge, but for your ethics!
Get legal counsel you do not want to be sued for liable. Cheers.
Ethics?????
Working alone in many places is illegal, as you pointed out if an accident had happened you would have been alone for hours without any help, perhaps left to die.
If an accident had happened it would have been put on you(now dead) for doing something improperly.
Ethics????
Did you take pictures of the infractions they made over time?
Proving anything now, after you've been dismissed will be very hard.
Companies that suck the humanity out of their employees by treating them as you have been treated deserve to be taken to task.
You(and I) are imperfect human beings, we make mistakes.
Corporations, on the other hand, are large profit driven entities, responsible only to their share holders, they, as evidenced by their practices care not one wit for you, me, or any of their customers.
Ethics????
THEY, are not human. THEY are not worth more than you, me, or their customers.
No ethics in view????
Gather all the evidence you have.
Document every time you were asked or expected to work late, by yourself, alone.
Document every time you observed them using the petunia water to clean equipment that should have been sterile.
Document other infractions in detail. Is there a milk board in your state? A health department?
Yes, you are a disgruntled employee, that ratfink QC person had you screwed!
It's only human to screw 'em back.
Hopefully it'll cost more than their job, maybe the company, once investigated further, will be fined into bankruptcy! Hopefully there will be jail time involved.
I'm a milk drinker, I've had milk I thought was off. I've had negative health issues possibly caused from the tainted milk I was drinking.
If you are going to "screw 'em" don't go off half cocked. Fully load with documentation, find the right group to investigate further and have the ...... nailed to the wall.
Vaping has not one thing to do with this, it's about health and safety, good practices and cleanliness for a food processing company.
Stick it to them hard! Not for revenge, but for your ethics!
Get legal counsel you do not want to be sued for liable. Cheers.
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Not being able to vape at work is hardly trading away one's liberty.....it's not slavery, you get a paycheck and if you don't like it nobody is holding you prisoner. You can leave and find another job.
There is no right to vape at a private place of business. If you don't like workplace policy then you either break it and get fired, or you give your notice and move on.
Like I said, there were many years I wanted to bring my dog to work. I had to find a company who would let me do that.
If by temporary security, you mean not putting your children out on the street because you have no job and no way to put food on the table or put a roof over their head because you made vaping more important than your job..................yeah, most people (thankfully) do "go" for that kind of security.
It's called maturity and the ability to deal with reality.
Sure, keep telling yourself this as you roll over yet again.
These are problems to address with OSHA.
Request a Formal Dismissal letter for your Attorneys. That may get their attention.
Do we really have enough verified facts to encourage actions that could shut down or severely impair the future earnings of this business?
Insufficient factual data indicated!
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