Congratulations. With little more than 3 months experience under your belt (according to your banner) you've solved the mystery! Even so I, and I imagine a few others, will remain unconvinced non believers of this revelation.
Think I've Discovered What Causes Vaper's Tongue
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Congratulations. With little more than 3 months experience under your belt (according to your banner) you've solved the mystery! Even so I, and I imagine a few others, will remain unconvinced non believers of this revelation.
I've been vaping for a few years, and believe me I know how to build a good coil, and allow it to wick well. You're still going to get vape tongue every now and again. I have found how to defend against it happening though. I always have a glass of water with me while vaping, and if I think I'm getting vape tongue, I always drink or eat something citrusy. Something about the acidity really cleanses my palate very well. The flavor is always revamped back up to eleven on the flavor gauge scale!
Salty snacks do that for me. I wondered if it's because there's still salt in my mouth, which is a flavor enhancer.
Andria
Yeah, totally. A lot of times salty snacks will bring out other flavors in the liquid I'm vaping. For example, I have a tutti frutti I mix up myself, and after a salty snack, it totally turns the flavor into this cake like essence, where as normally its just a real sweet fruity whip cream flavor.
Woah there. No need to get sarcastic.
I didn't say this was a definitive cause for everyone, but for me personally. I'm sorry, but regardless of what anyone says, it is the burnt wick that has caused my Vaper's Tongue. Why else would I be vaping perfectly well, as soon as I get half an hour of burnt vapes I suddenly get Vaper's Tongue. There's no other explanation.
I simply posted this to maybe help some other people. I'm not claiming to have a high amount of knowledge but I can see the blatantly obvious.
In my case, burnt wick is what caused my Vaper's Tongue. No question.
Now I can't be the only one, it must happen to others. Was just trying to help, wish I never bothered now.
If this was on one occasion I'd be inclined to agree it's coincidence, albeit a weird one. But it happened twice, both times after getting some dry hits. Literally going from full flavour to nothing, even with a new head. Within the space of an hour.
Sorry, but no coincidence.
Sorry, but no coincidence.
I think vaping at 15 watts from and rda and then switching to 8 watts from a protank I I causes vt for me...
I think it's a fairly valid observation, though of course, may not apply to everyone. I've had very little experience with vaper's tongue myself, and what little I do experience, I'd go with the "too much vaping" diagnosis, since what leaves me is the tingle, rather than the taste; I think the tissues of mouth and throat just get so used to it, they stop feeling it. Very similar to tastebuds becoming so familiar with a flavor, it stops being noticeable.
And that burnt taste is just so nasty... no surprise to me at all if the brain just goes "ugh, turn that DOWN!" and just shuts off or mutes those senses to protect you from something perceived as toxic. Human brains are surely the strangest organ that has ever existed, and we probably don't know half of what it can do. One thing that always amuses me is when someone is having a hard time putting down the smokes, despite vaping regularly, and they go "I'm not making this up, or making excuses, but...." whatever their excuse is. It's almost certainly the brain *creating* whatever excuse seems most likely to bring about the desired outcome, with far fewer immediate complications -- certainly it's easier to set fire to dried vegetation, but it will kill you, even if you can't perceive that death in the immediate present; brains are champions at demanding what they want RIGHT NOW -- like another piece of chocolate cake, even if you're on a diet -- and devil take the consequences. It takes MIND to consider those!
Andria
I think in this situation that would be a sensible conclusion to come to. My Brain shuts off after tasting burnt. Because logic says to me it can't be simply through too much vaping. I'm a 2.5-3ml a day vaper since I started and I had zero problems until I started getting prolonged dry hits. If I was vaping and gradually the flavour diminished I'd probably say that my tastebuds simply desensitized. However when I'm happily vaping away and then gets some dry hits for half an hour or so, change the head, come back and I have no flavour - despite everyone telling me it tastes fine. That points to the burnt wick causing my lack of tastebuds. What other explanation is there.
My Brain obviously maybe shuts off more easily than other people's or maybe many people don't make the correlation. Who knows, but I can't be the only one.
I've tried swishing with Lemon Juice, vaping menthol amongst many other things. Virtually makes no difference. I think my Brain just switches off my tastebuds.
That's what it sounds most like. Everyone is different, obviously -- some flavors that I love, others are all "ugh!", and my husband loves liver, but I'd have to be completely starved for over a week to be able to eat that at all. Lots of people seem to like these sweet flavored vapes, but the only sweet flavor I've been able to enjoy so far is the apple-cinnamon-clove that I mix for my just-out-of-bed vaping; all the others, either I only smell them but don't taste them at all, or if I do actually taste them, I just cringe; something that feels like smoke shouldn't taste sweet, my brain keeps insisting. Don't know if I'll ever get past that, but it's early days, and I'm sure my palate will keep changing for probably the next year or so, recuperating from 39 yrs of smoke and toxic chemicals. I'm sure that a lot of the reason I don't care for the sweet flavors is that most of them seem to have zero throat hit, but of course cinnamon redhot has a pretty substantial throat hit, which maybe explains why I like it so much. 
One thing I wondered; when you're having this lack of taste problem with vaping, does food taste differently?
Andria
One thing I wondered; when you're having this lack of taste problem with vaping, does food taste differently?
Andria
Yes it does. That's what I noticed most really.
I was eating fish and chips last night and everything tasted muted and rubbery. And Tartar sauce, which I usually love, tasted absolutely disgusting. Almost tasted like mint and plastic.
For me, both times I got vapors tongue (ofactory fatique) was by drastically changing my Nicotine levels.
1st time, I dropped from 18mg to 6mg and then went back up to 18mg
2nd time, I dropped from 18mg, to 6mg, to 0mg, and back up to 12mg
both times BTW, I used zinc supplements to speed up the recovery. I was given this advice by a pharmacist and a doctor, and read somewhere online that zinc helps the healing of olfactory senses. It's not recommended to take too much zinc, which is why I only use it for a few days to help the healing process. If you continually take too much zinc, you will get copper deficiency and other negative effects.
1st time, I dropped from 18mg to 6mg and then went back up to 18mg
2nd time, I dropped from 18mg, to 6mg, to 0mg, and back up to 12mg
both times BTW, I used zinc supplements to speed up the recovery. I was given this advice by a pharmacist and a doctor, and read somewhere online that zinc helps the healing of olfactory senses. It's not recommended to take too much zinc, which is why I only use it for a few days to help the healing process. If you continually take too much zinc, you will get copper deficiency and other negative effects.
he woulda gotten away with it if it wasnt for us pesky forumites.
So it would almost certainly be the brain itself, rather than tastebuds or olfactory receptors; sounds like the burnt taste just kinda confuses the neural pathways associated with taste/smell, so those parts get shut down, leaving you with a very incomplete "palate" of tastes/smells you can perceive. Now I wonder... have you ever been in any kind of fire, or fire scare?
The reason I ask... once we lived in a "mobile home", and you may know how fast those things can burn down; one morning I awoke to the smell of smoke, which at first I thought was burning leaves (it was autumn), but then identified as the smell of burning insulation/electricals... long story short, a fire was averted because I basically levitated to call 911 and get myself and my son out of there; the smell was coming from an arcing wire, which was arcing against a 2x4 rather than the thin panelling, THANK GOD... but now, if I smell ANY kind of smoke, my brain goes into full-on panic mode... I have to track down the smell, no matter what or where. It's a powerful association/compulsion, which I seem to be completely unable to get rid of. When I get a burnt taste from my vape, I do feel a twinge of that panic, easily dismissed because it's so obviously *right there*, but I wonder if something like that could be going on; the part of the brain that processes olfactory data is very close to the part of the brain that processes memory, especially long-term memory, which is why a certain smell can be very evocative of memory.
Andria
Interesting observation, but no, I've never been in any situation with fire.
I've had it before when I used to smoke where I've had a bit of paper in an ashtray and the cigarette sets fire to it. Smells horrible and produces a lot of smoke, but never had any effects from it.
I think it's just the shock for my brain tasting something so horrible. I mean, we all know how bad burnt wick tastes like, especially Cotton. Wouldn't seem unreasonable to me to think that this kills off your tastebuds for a time or your brain does.
I'm sure this happens with a lot of other vapers. But they don't put two and two together. I can't be the only one.
I've gotten a messed up tongue a few times when I've experimented raising the voltage- and not that high really (I'm using top-coils mostly). It reminded me of tongue bite from pipe smoking. I suspect quite a few people that vape that talk about "throat hit" at higher voltages are really experiencing more of that sort of harshness.
I realize this thread is kind of old but I think your right on point. I got my first dry burnt hit using a dripping atty and 30 min later I can't taste anything. I'm talking eating jalapeño and only feel a very very faint bout of heat.
Like you I vape mostly blueberry flavor, mine is a blueberry cream. My burnt hit was on a vanilla/custard/ pb cookie mix. I also mainly use a nautilus tank. I wonder if it is some sort of chemical burn related to the specific flavoring in custard/vanilla bases. I have vaped the same strawberry or blueberry cream for days on end and never had a problem. But lately (before VT) I've been trying some new flavors (cinnamon, lemonade, menthol tobacco), because I keep hearing I should alternate, but it seems to be making it worse. I never had a problem vaping one thing, but suddenly I do after 1 burnt hit?
I think your on to something here. Maybe fatigue with same flavor but VT with burnt hits and maybe only from certain flavors?
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