My GP refuses to dispense it to any of his patients
Told me he didn't want to have to be responsible or carry the burden of guilt if anything horrible happened.This article kind of bugs me... A LOT really...military restricts ecig use -.-
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My GP refuses to dispense it to any of his patients
Told me he didn't want to have to be responsible or carry the burden of guilt if anything horrible happened.
I've was active duty for 5 years. My senior NCOs from E-5 to E-9 dipped inside of military buildings. Why? Most likely because its harmless. I'm Simply making the same statement. A puff here and there while i work my recently obtained desk hurts no one. It doesn't defile military bearing. nor is it harmful to myself or those around. Though i wont be the one who argues this point - better to just do as told... But i was also instructed by the company 1st... Find me the reg and show me where its excluded and you'll have your privileges permitted.. as he pointed out the fact that other 1sgts walk around dipping.
Edited: i'd also like to add that the contract signed argument is over-played. Either way, you're welcome to re-read the original post to fully understand what i said/asked.
My GP refuses to dispense it to any of his patients
Forget where exactly I read the article recently but my jaw hit the floor, bounced a few times, then snapped shut so hard, like to broke a tooth at the 2700 figure. That's just the lawsuits being settled at this point.
But that's okay and vaping Must! Be! Dealt! With!
I mean. Really? REALLY?
Sorry that you misunderstood what I said.
You're in the military. The military is different from normal civilian society. In the military you obey the rules because they are the rules that have been set! There doesn't need to be any logic ... they are the rules. When you disagree, you use your chain of command. If your NCOIC/First Sgt/Squadron Commander disagrees with you the issue is over, you obey the rule.
Quite frankly, If I was your NCOIC, and I saw this thread ... there would now be the threat of a LOR in your personnel file coming your way.
It's the military folks! The military is not a "free society".
If the OP wishes to discuss this openly on the web, it should be done here:
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/65919558
or here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/armed-services-forum/
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I understood you fine. I just think you overall misinterpret the point of the post. It's funny how you seem to hold the exact mentality that make people with common sense shake their head in disappointment. You said you were in the marines right? Not the same thing as the Army, nor is it the same thing as the Air Force. Regardless, it's the sign of an ignorant leader who would even attempt to threaten to take something from the internet and bring it up as an issue in the military. It's a cute threat but it wouldn't ever go further than your company commander yelling at you as a leader for bringing something so petty to his desk.
So i'll restate my purpose of this post... and that is to seek information pertaining to a regulation against E-cig. I did not post to debate with some "once-upon a time"er jarhead and his 40yr old mentality about a subject these forums were designed to address. So regardless of you're personal opinion... it has yet to yield a positive answer and you, sir, should just put your torch down and walk away. Thank you.
No, I too was in the Air Force. (it's the family business)
Normal AF duty (circa 1963)
Regulations pertaining to e-cig use have not been formalized at this point, and it's at the discretion of each Base Commander at this time. No different than how smoking was addressed just a few years ago.
That is why I can't stress enough the use of proper military structure to address it. Let your voice be heard, but do it where it will make a difference. Perhaps http://www.aerotechnews.com/nellisafb/2013/03/15/air-force-aims-to-curtail-electronic-cigarette-use/ would be a good place to start. Just be constructive and responsible with your comments.
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I'm sorry but if you sign up for the military, which is a completely voluntary act I might add, you follow the rules. Simple as that.
It's no different from being employed in a nicotine free workplace where you get randomly tested. If you want the benefits of the employment (or deployment as the case may be) you follow the rules until you either find someplace new or get out.
Soon enough the military will do nicotine testing, then what will you all do? They pay for your health care 100%, what do you expect them to do? Let you continue activities that could be potentially unhealthy? Any addiction is unhealthy.
If you want to get around it, vape 0 nicotine. Then it's not an e-cigarette, it's a personal vaporizer for aromatherapy.
It's no different from being employed in a nicotine free workplace where you get randomly tested. If you want the benefits of the employment (or deployment as the case may be) you follow the rules until you either find someplace new or get out.
Soon enough the military will do nicotine testing, then what will you all do? They pay for your health care 100%, what do you expect them to do? Let you continue activities that could be potentially unhealthy? Any addiction is unhealthy.
If you want to get around it, vape 0 nicotine. Then it's not an e-cigarette, it's a personal vaporizer for aromatherapy.
I'm sorry but if you sign up for the military, which is a completely voluntary act I might add, you follow the rules. Simple as that.
It's no different from being employed in a nicotine free workplace where you get randomly tested. If you want the benefits of the employment (or deployment as the case may be) you follow the rules until you either find someplace new or get out.
Soon enough the military will do nicotine testing, then what will you all do? They pay for your health care 100%, what do you expect them to do? Let you continue activities that could be potentially unhealthy? Any addiction is unhealthy.
If you want to get around it, vape 0 nicotine. Then it's not an e-cigarette, it's a personal vaporizer for aromatherapy.
It's no different from being employed in a nicotine free workplace where you get randomly tested. If you want the benefits of the employment (or deployment as the case may be) you follow the rules until you either find someplace new or get out.
Soon enough the military will do nicotine testing, then what will you all do? They pay for your health care 100%, what do you expect them to do? Let you continue activities that could be potentially unhealthy? Any addiction is unhealthy.
If you want to get around it, vape 0 nicotine. Then it's not an e-cigarette, it's a personal vaporizer for aromatherapy.
another person who isnt reading the original post. Anyways its clear you don't know what you're talking about. Saying the military is going to ban nicotine is like saying the military is going to ban alcohol consumption. Neither is plausible nor possible unless either is made illegal. I think you need to do more research on your legal rights before making such wild claims. The military doesn't set laws into affect - they just regulate them. and they cant regulate smoking more then creating a smoke area. which is all of about a unit commander is capable of doing to e-cig. At this point i'm just looking for one person capable of stating if they can find a regulation on ecigs pertaining to the ARMY. Tj99959 came to the same conclusion as myself... cant find a reg.
But my objective is NOT to fight against an added regulation. Those who are in the military know you cant take away from the rules, but you may ADD to them. As of right now i've been given the option to find more information, a present it to a superior. This isn't a challenge or fight and no is rising up against the man... its merely a good NCO providing a soldier an opportunity to earn a little less restriction... its not even a hot topic, because i basically get away with doing it in the comfort of my own spaces anyways. But i'd rather have my leaderships approval then ask for forgiveness in the event someone were to say something. How hard is that to understand?
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I have no idea if this is viable but did you ask (or would it even matter to ask) Army Public Health Command for their take on e-cigs as part of the Army Smoking cessation program?
I see on their web they have a 24/7 online support?
Tobacco Free Living - Public Health Command
Hey, I'm talking to a representative right now, I'm waiting for her answer on your situation.....
I see on their web they have a 24/7 online support?
Tobacco Free Living - Public Health Command
Hey, I'm talking to a representative right now, I'm waiting for her answer on your situation.....
Ok, she would not commit to giving an answer about e-cigs. She said they only answer general questions about smoking and said you should go to your NCO. Back to square one...
Im not quite sure if you are upset by the incorrect information in the article or the information that the air force has/will be limiting use of all tabaco products to designated zones on its facilities. And the army might or is doing the same.
So for the personal. Its the military. Good luck fighting that one. Until someone comes up with synthetic nicotine that is not a derivative of Tabaco you are, sorry to say, out of luck. (based on the air force rules) They covered everything including gum and left themselves an option to exclude anything in the future Tobacco includes, but is not limited to
The one thing that they did NOT list specifically is a Nicotine Inhaler.
So whether the army does or does not have the same set of rules here is a possible solution:
If you really need the nicotine fix during the work day use a cigarette like e-cig with the smoker (to distinguish from the one suggested below) or get a prescription for the nicotine inhaler. You are supposed to use it for up to 6 months.. Since you will be vaping everywhere else except on base should last you double that. And its an official NRT so there should not be any issues to use. Hey get the same doctor to write a note that second hand smoke is vary harmful and irritating to you and you should not be subjected to it. dont use the note unless you have to. Most people wont even realise what the inhaler is for, doesnt look enough like a cig to just click for people and if they ask.. then ohh my doctor prescribed this for some issues Im having
Then get the boxiest non cigarette looking mod and fill it with 0 nic. And vape away.
Sorry Sir its a personal vaporiser. No off course its not an e-cigarette Sir, what gave you that idea, it does not look anything like a cigarette, and there is no nicotine. Its just vaporised glycerin, you know like the glycerin used for super dry skin. You see Sir because of the dry recycled air in the offices I have developed a throat irritation. This is like a personal, portable humidifier. You know similar to the room humidifiers recommend for children with asthma. In this case the glycerin is vaporised so it can be inhaled and lubricate the throat and sooth irritation.
No, no sir thats not smoke, there is nothing burning, its just excess vapor. Its a little warm so its visible, you know like the vapor in a breath showing in the cold air. You can feel free to have the glycerin spot tested any time.
No, no sir thats not smoke, there is nothing burning, its just excess vapor. Its a little warm so its visible, you know like the vapor in a breath showing in the cold air. You can feel free to have the glycerin spot tested any time.
As much as I agree with the Its the military, and the rules are what make it the military and not a bunch of jahoos with toys that go boom,so tough luck, regardless of how senseless as some of those rules might be. I think part of his argument is not about the rules but the fact that someone is enforcing rules that do not seem to, as yet, exist. His argument is valid. If the army as a whole has no rules stating that e-cigarettes are to be restricted in use so till they do he should be able to vape.
And I apologise in advance to anyone in the military who in any way might find the following offensive it really really isnt meant to be. More of a Tongue-in-cheek kinda comment based on the first thought in my head when I read the post.
But this:
God I hope not.
The US military has a 1,429,995 people on active duty and 850,880 reserve. Just taking the active personal into account and the average of 19%smokers in the US population. Do you really really want 271,699 individuals jonesing for the next nicotine hit handling a weapon, any weapon, much less the kind of weapons you know they have access too.
Or maybe I should have said -God help the non-smokers-
As for the unhealthy part, nicotine itself is addictive but the unhealthy part is under debate and not totally clear. But then many things are unhealthy. French fries, sugar, sodas, going into combat . and yet the military still serves the first and expects the latter.
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Almost every hospital / decent factory in Northeast Ohio. My range is fairly limited to the area but
Anything Cleveland Clinic
Anything Lincoln Electric
Anything University Hospital
A few other local industries who no one would recognize the names of
Almost every hospital / decent factory in Northeast Ohio. My range is fairly limited to the area but
Anything Cleveland Clinic
Anything Lincoln Electric
Anything University Hospital
A few other local industries who no one would recognize the names of
What a load of BS! I cannot believe that the media is still persisting in publishing this crap!
Yup, people are moved by emotion far more than logic and reason. Hence all the fear-mongering. Sadly not many who read such articles will actually check the "facts" the article gives to verify they are accurate.
Yeah they are, sadly. But the big part of the problem is that this is not even media nor is this an article.
With a 'real' article in the main stream media you kinda hope (yeah i stopped assuming they do, now i hope) the journalist did his/her research and at least attempted to present an unbiased view.
But this is not an article really, it is a verbatim copy of what looks like to be a press release issued buy the 99th Air Base Wing Public Affairs Office at Nelis Air Base. and copied from here:
Feature - Different product, same results: Air Force aims to curtail electronic cigarette use
And as a press release, while it still should be accurate and this is a big bad that it is not, is obviously going to be slanted to the promotion of the views of the Air force that the press release is created to push. It is not unbiased and by it's nature cannot be. but it SHOULD be accurate in the facts.
So that stated any comments on the article at the Bullseye/aerotechnews site left while good for the general reader that stumbles across it is not actually addressing the main audience of that press release.
If anyone want to comment at the Nelis Air Base site i would suggest to do it very very politely, and pure fact. Comments are reviewed before being posted, and they reserve the right not to post them. there are none now, not sure if because no one really commented or no one passed the screening
As for the AerotechNews
When i first looked at this my impression was that this was some kind of publication/magazine aimed at the people working in the field of aeronautics, like engineers, techs, mechanics... you know like a professional journal.. with some link to military development.
but it's not really - by their own description:
"The Bullseye is published by Aerotech News and Review, a private firm in no way connected with the U.S. Air Force, under exclusive written contract with Nellis Air Force Base, Nev."
And Bullseye is a Base newspaper for Nellis and Creech Air Force Bases published weekly.
So a base newspaper, under exclusive contract to the particular base is not unbiased, not is it mainstream media.
But unlike 20 yrs ago when this article would affect a few thousand people at the base, with the internet the potential audience is much larger. And if your site looks 'official' and legitimate, many do not ask nor check the credibility or the agenda of those providing the news.
and lets be honest, many do not have time to check the source of every piece of information they come across. And those with an ax to grind wont even bother, anything they find that justifies their views regardless of the source will be 'fact'.
i've already see quotes of the "Mrs. Laura Weart, 99th Aerospace Medicine Squadron Health and Wellness Center director", and as impressive as that title sounds, the Health and Wellness Center is not a hospital or a medical facility, its a health promotion 'office' attached to the Fitness center at the base. who's objective is to "furnish individuals with knowledge and skills that encourage healthy lifestyle behaviors. Services include tobacco cessation classes, fitness assessments, nutrition education, stress management, education on cardiovascular disease and cancer prevention."
I completely applaud the effort of the air force for providing it. but unless you know what it is, it sound a lot more impressive. My gym has one of those.
and by their own statement while the well being of the air force personnel is a concern so is $$
"By focusing on preventative medicine and creating awareness of healthy living programs across the [Department of Defense] we will [hopefully] be able to drive down health care cost over time,"
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