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Before we all lose faith in ECF, much like the Blu forum, I think it's in anticipation of newbies filling the boards with Vuse questions.

Dirty laundry isn't fun to look at and no one likes it, but it's still worth buying a hamper to keep it out of the middle of the room, right?

Very good point, and if that is the real reason why they added that section, it's very smart of the staff.

Hopefully that is the reason..... or else you just gave them a good excuse that they will use ;)
 

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We as individuals all made the choice, knowing full well the risks, to begin smoking...

Except, of course, for those of us who were prenatally exposed, born into a house where mom, dad, grandma and grandpa smoked, then watched cartoons. I understand your point, but don't leave me out of the equation.:)

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Except, of course, for those of us who were prenatally exposed, born into a house where mom, dad, grandma and grandpa smoked, then watched cartoons. I understand your point, but don't leave me out of the equation.:)
I started smoking at 14. Can you really blame a kid for making a stupid and uneducated decision?
 
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I started smoking at 14. Can you really blame a kid for making a stupid and uneducated desision?

My mom smoked all through her pregnancy with me and all of the adults in my home smoked. I started when I was 13. I don't blame anyone, but I didn't make an informed decision to start smoking.
 

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How could you possibly start smoking at 14, I mean BT never targeted kids with advertising. They were always upfront and forthwith about the extreme health implications of their product. They didn't clandestinely add extra nic to make their product more addictive. It couldn't of possibly been because they falsely advertised one version of their product as being better for you than another........nope you chose to smoke. It was your fault. Don't worry, BT is here to shepherd you back to the flock with the Vuse. How do those chains fit? Tight enough for ya?
 

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Except, of course, for those of us who were prenatally exposed, born into a house where mom, dad, grandma and grandpa smoked, then watched cartoons. I understand your point, but don't leave me out of the equation.:)

I did forget to take some of the older generations into account, they were definitely exposed to more pressure to smoke than younger generations. I understand growing up in a smoking family, both my parents smoked over a pack a day in the house for all the years I lived there. Funny enough, my parents stopped smoking in the house when my sister's daughter was born so that she could come over and visit them. Evidently they worried more about their granddaughter (is there really supposed to be two "d"s in that word? It looks wrong) than their own children.

Although more likely is that their attitudes have changed in the same way the attitudes of society have changed, they probably look back on smoking in the house all those years and regret it. I'm not sure if that's what made me a smoker, or the trips to my grandparents house where both of them also smoked indoors and used the floor as an ashtray, but whatever influences have gotten to me I still made the dumb choice to start smoking. An older society of acceptance towards smoking and all that entails could be to blame just as much as BT's influences, although one could argue BT manufactured the society of acceptance, so I don't really know where I'm going with this heh heh.

Anyway, basically my point was that I don't really respect or support actions taken by BT, but I don't feel they are to blame, as ultimately they never stuck a cig in anyone's mouth and a gun to their head. A drug dealer or manufacture is a bad guy, but I can't blame him for people using drugs, the demand will be there regardless of who satisfies it, and whoever satisfies it will play the role as villain, even though they are simply supplying a product people want.

Sorry for getting so off-topic, I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was trying to attack anyone here for their opinion on the matter.
 

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I forgot to mention, about people in their early teens smoking, I can't see what connection there is to BT. If all the big companies stopped producing cigarettes, you'd probably have small companies or people making their own cigarettes and selling them to 13 year old kids.

Kids smoking cigarettes is bad, and BT makes cigarettes, therefore it's BT's fault. That's the idea I disagree with. What's bad is the choice made by the teen. They aren't known for being the best decision makers. But if BT was gone kids would still pick up smoking, then who is to blame? A nameless guy growing tobacco and rolling it up into cigs?

As long as people want to smoke someone will supply them with cigarettes. It doesn't even matter if they make tobacco illegal, people would still smoke.

If BT was the true problem, then removing them from the picture should fix everything, right? But we know that wouldn't happen, as I said if BT was gone tomorrow people would still find ways to smoke, then who is the villain?

Maybe there is no villain and we are looking to blame some entity for something that is simply a result of humanity's nature to experiment with substances and enjoy them.
 

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How could you possibly start smoking at 14, I mean BT never targeted kids with advertising. They were always upfront and forthwith about the extreme health implications of their product. They didn't clandestinely add extra nic to make their product more addictive. It couldn't of possibly been because they falsely advertised one version of their product as being better for you than another........nope you chose to smoke. It was your fault. Don't worry, BT is here to shepherd you back to the flock with the Vuse. How do those chains fit? Tight enough for ya?

Yes, I know...I am spineless scum, who blames all of my problems on other people.

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I wasn't ranting at you unclechuck. Just upset, I don't blame BT for making the cigarettes, I blame them for doing their best to ensure that we continued to smoke them. They used nefarious practices to keep us hooked and downplayed the health risks. They spent vast amounts of money to skew research in their favor, to pay lobbyists and fund politicians, all in their favor, all to make a buck at our expense. They new what they were doing was killing us but they did their best to hide it and profit by it.
 

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BT needs to keep their nose out of the vaping world. We have walked away (most of us) from BT already. Why oh why would we want to go back?

You can have my Vamo when you pry it from my cold dead hand! :cool:

Not my vamos, I've written them in my will to be buried with me......Hey you never know :laugh:
 

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I did forget to take some of the older generations into account, they were definitely exposed to more pressure to smoke than younger generations. I understand growing up in a smoking family, both my parents smoked over a pack a day in the house for all the years I lived there. Funny enough, my parents stopped smoking in the house when my sister's daughter was born so that she could come over and visit them. Evidently they worried more about their granddaughter (is there really supposed to be two "d"s in that word? It looks wrong) than their own children.

Although more likely is that their attitudes have changed in the same way the attitudes of society have changed, they probably look back on smoking in the house all those years and regret it. I'm not sure if that's what made me a smoker, or the trips to my grandparents house where both of them also smoked indoors and used the floor as an ashtray, but whatever influences have gotten to me I still made the dumb choice to start smoking. An older society of acceptance towards smoking and all that entails could be to blame just as much as BT's influences, although one could argue BT manufactured the society of acceptance, so I don't really know where I'm going with this heh heh.

Anyway, basically my point was that I don't really respect or support actions taken by BT, but I don't feel they are to blame, as ultimately they never stuck a cig in anyone's mouth and a gun to their head. A drug dealer or manufacture is a bad guy, but I can't blame him for people using drugs, the demand will be there regardless of who satisfies it, and whoever satisfies it will play the role as villain, even though they are simply supplying a product people want.

Sorry for getting so off-topic, I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was trying to attack anyone here for their opinion on the matter.

I don't feel attacked at all - you don't get to be my age without a thick skin, wrinkly as it might be. People used tobacco long before BT entered the picture, but I blame them for additives and aggressively promoting cigarettes as safe, when it was documented they were not.*


*Lotsa goodie here Tobacco Timeline: The Twentieth Century 1950 - 1999--The Battle is Joined
 

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Yes, I know...I am spineless scum, who blames all of my problems are other people.

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those aren't even the worst ones, remember the ones that came in boxes that looked exactly like the real brands?
I always had to get the Pall Mall ones.........because that's what my dad smoked, I liked the bubble gum ones, if you blew threw the wrapper, white powder puffed out like "real" smoke.
I always get nostalgic about stuff I had as a kid, these just depress me.
 
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Yes, I know...I am spineless scum, who blames all of my problems are other people.

I sincerely hope that isn't what you got from my posts, if it is I apologize.

And those candy cigarettes are delicious, I remember the older ones that had like powder sugar on the inside, and a hole on the cherry end with a red tip. You'd blow through the candy cig and it would blow the powder sugar out to imitate smoke coming from the tip.

Now all I can find are the ones that are basically just solid, weird loaf-looking sticks that look like they were extruded from a spaghetti maker.

EDIT: looks like leithan beat me to the punch on the smoke puffing ones ;)
 

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those aren't even the worst ones, remember the ones that came in boxes that looked exactly like the real brands?
I always had to get the Pall Mall ones.........because that's what my dad smoked, I liked the bubble gum ones, if you blew threw the wrapper, white powder puffed out like "real" smoke.
I always get nostalgic about stuff I had as a kid, these just depress me.

I liked the bubble gum cigars better. The cigarettes were too chalky/sweet for me.

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I sincerely hope that isn't what you got from my posts, if it is I apologize.

And those candy cigarettes are delicious, I remember the older ones that had like powder sugar on the inside, and a hole on the cherry end with a red tip. You'd blow through the candy cig and it would blow the powder sugar out to imitate smoke coming from the tip.

Now all I can find are the ones that are basically just solid, weird loaf-looking sticks that look like they were extruded from a spaghetti maker.

EDIT: looks like leithan beat me to the punch on the smoke puffing ones ;)

Thank you for the apology, but it wasn't necessary. Most of my online feelings are disingenuous. :)
 
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