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Anyone seen any other places that advertise that e-smoking is OK on their premesis?
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The place is based in Shewsbury UK : Welcome :: C21
Anyone seen any other places that advertise that e-smoking is OK on their premesis?
My city will be going smoke-free next month, so hopefully next year that will be happening, though in a Midwestern city of 40,000 or so, it isn't likely.
Just been to "The Waterhouse" in Manchester. This was the first pub in Manc to go non-smoking prior to the ban. Given that Thursday night is curry night (HOT chicken tikka massala) I thought I'd give the Intellicig a whirl. I asked the bloke (Ged was his name) at the bar whether it would be o.k. to smoke an e-cig. He said "That should be o.k." and a good evening was had by all. Nobody was upset, although some appeared to be intrigued. All I know is that I didn't have to stand outside.
After work I called into the pub where I had been given permission to use my e-cig last Saturday.
The manageress told me that she could no longer allow me to use it as a stream of compaints had been received from people who thought it was real smoke.
She went on to say that many of the complainers were still unhappy even after she told them it was only vapour being produced - apparently some said that they had no idea what was in the "vapour" and it could be worse than 2nd hand smoking!
Oh well - I knew it would be an uphill fight
- what is needed is more +ve coverage in the media.
The manageress told me that she could no longer allow me to use it as a stream of compaints had been received from people who thought it was real smoke.
She went on to say that many of the complainers were still unhappy even after she told them it was only vapour being produced - apparently some said that they had no idea what was in the "vapour" and it could be worse than 2nd hand smoking!
Oh well - I knew it would be an uphill fight
- what is needed is more +ve coverage in the media.
thats an illustration of why its better to be discreet when vaping in public at the moment...After work I called into the pub where I had been given permission to use my e-cig last Saturday.
The manageress told me that she could no longer allow me to use it as a stream of compaints had been received from people who thought it was real smoke.
She went on to say that many of the complainers were still unhappy even after she told them it was only vapour being produced - apparently some said that they had no idea what was in the "vapour" and it could be worse than 2nd hand smoking!
Oh well - I knew it would be an uphill fight
sadly most think its best to proclaim their new toy to the world.. mistakenly they thing the world will welcome it.. discrete aint part of the game..
trog
I disagree Mr.Darcy and although trog probably didn't mean it the way I interpret it - "discrete ain't part of the game".
There is no way you can be discrete using an e-cig in a place where smoking is banned. Discretely taking a puff when you think people aren't looking will have people complaining quicker than if you puff away openly at the bar - after having asked permission of course.
Puffing away openly and not paying the penalty of being bundeled out the back exit by the bouncers will foster intrigue - questions will be asked and eventually it will get around that the guy is 'smoking' a new-fangled electronic device which is legal - it's part of the education that the public need.
Unfortunately the non-smoking public also need to be educated that the vapour given off by these new-fangled devices is no more harmfull to them than walking past a steaming kettle - that's where media / medical promotion is required.
The manageress recinded my permission to puff my e-cig because some people had mistakenly thought I was smoking a kosher cig and complained - some of those people, when told it was vapour not smoke did not concur that it was of no harm to them - the manageress had to go with the majority and I was in a minority of one.
Be discrete? - the only way to be discrete while puffing an e-cig in a public place is not to puff it at all - that to me a capitulation.
As Sergeant Phil Esterhaus says in Hill Street Blues: "Hey, let's be careful out there".
There is no way you can be discrete using an e-cig in a place where smoking is banned. Discretely taking a puff when you think people aren't looking will have people complaining quicker than if you puff away openly at the bar - after having asked permission of course.
Puffing away openly and not paying the penalty of being bundeled out the back exit by the bouncers will foster intrigue - questions will be asked and eventually it will get around that the guy is 'smoking' a new-fangled electronic device which is legal - it's part of the education that the public need.
Unfortunately the non-smoking public also need to be educated that the vapour given off by these new-fangled devices is no more harmfull to them than walking past a steaming kettle - that's where media / medical promotion is required.
The manageress recinded my permission to puff my e-cig because some people had mistakenly thought I was smoking a kosher cig and complained - some of those people, when told it was vapour not smoke did not concur that it was of no harm to them - the manageress had to go with the majority and I was in a minority of one.
Be discrete? - the only way to be discrete while puffing an e-cig in a public place is not to puff it at all - that to me a capitulation.
As Sergeant Phil Esterhaus says in Hill Street Blues: "Hey, let's be careful out there".
err...sorry eyespy,but ive been vaping discreetly in public for 7 months,and no one has noticed yet...ive done it in pubs,clubs,whilst shopping,watching a film in in the cinema,on trains,in the airport,at work etc etc...
read what trog said again...perhaps you misunderstood it.
read what trog said again...perhaps you misunderstood it.
Eyespy- tell your manageress that you are using janty juice which has been shown to be harmless and that the customers have no right to complain, and that she can tell them that indeed it IS known what is in the vapor and that it is harmless. Problem solved. If they continue to complain afterwards, then too bad- so sad- you will be perfectly within your rights to vape safe liquid in public or office
I too have been discretely puffing away in resturaunts without problem- I just don't exhale clouds of vapor, and hide the cigg- I'm sure someone will make a stink someday and I'll be forced to explain, but so far so good.
I too have been discretely puffing away in resturaunts without problem- I just don't exhale clouds of vapor, and hide the cigg- I'm sure someone will make a stink someday and I'll be forced to explain, but so far so good.
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While you may be perfectly within your rights to vape in public you must keep in mind Naz that any business is actually a private establishment, not a public one. As such, the owner/manager/bus boy has every right to refuse to allow it as well as to forcibly have you removed from the premises for using one.
we currently dont have the right to esmoke anywhere and everywhere we choose...at the moment its up to the individual establishments management to decide-at least until the gov decides to join in...and im sure most wont want to deal with all the grief of constant explanations and complaints that theyll get daily...
like it or not,most people are ignorant to the whole area,and until they reach national consciousness,or individual pubs,chains or other establishments state and promote their position,theres no point going on a one man crusade,because that wont work...unless you like hassle...
so for the time being its much wiser to just do it quietly and discreetly...its possible,because most long term users have been doing this up until now with little trouble...
Naz,i suppose its another problem with how these things are marketed mate...because they are told in the bumf that they can,newbies think they have the right to esmoke wherever they desire,and flash them around...it isnt like that in reality...
like it or not,most people are ignorant to the whole area,and until they reach national consciousness,or individual pubs,chains or other establishments state and promote their position,theres no point going on a one man crusade,because that wont work...unless you like hassle...
so for the time being its much wiser to just do it quietly and discreetly...its possible,because most long term users have been doing this up until now with little trouble...
Naz,i suppose its another problem with how these things are marketed mate...because they are told in the bumf that they can,newbies think they have the right to esmoke wherever they desire,and flash them around...it isnt like that in reality...
It's good that you have been doing it discreetly but I doubt that no one has noticed - but lets say you're correct and no one has noticed - how are people going to get educated about vaping unless they do notice . We actually need people to notice - we need people to start discussing it - only then is there a hope of it becoming main stream and accepted.
I understood perfectly well what trog said and I disagree with him too - I do think it's best to proclaim my new toy but am under no illusion that it will be instantly tolerated leave alone welcomed.
To use an e-cig discretely you need to separate yourself from others something I do now by going outside to smoke my analogues - no that definately is not part of the game! Perhaps trog meant dicsreet in which case I entirely agree that e-cigs should be used prudently so as not to upset others.
no you dont have to leave anywhere...you buy a lanyard and use some sense mate...but its up to you...do it whatever way you want...
Ignorant sellers who proclaim it's legal to "smoke anywhere" are fueling this mess. It is always discretionary. Naz is not correct. If you make a stink about your presumed "right" you will likely be arrested for disturbing the peace. And that charge will hold.
Like Darcy, I've e-smoked everywhere over 10 months -- in hospitals, doctor's offices, the mall, grocery store ... and no one has ever seen it. I use a lanyard. I inhale with the Janty in the lanyard. I hold the inhalation until there is no vapor to exhale.
And I use snus when I absolutely can't sneak an e-puff.
Listen to Trog and Darcy. We've been at this a good while now. Discretion if far better than valor at this point. And publicity will likely only hasten hearings to ban our devices. Non-smokers are just not going to warm up to something that looks and acts like a banned cigarette. Get real. Don't let individual acts of defiance ruin things for all of us.
Like Darcy, I've e-smoked everywhere over 10 months -- in hospitals, doctor's offices, the mall, grocery store ... and no one has ever seen it. I use a lanyard. I inhale with the Janty in the lanyard. I hold the inhalation until there is no vapor to exhale.
And I use snus when I absolutely can't sneak an e-puff.
Listen to Trog and Darcy. We've been at this a good while now. Discretion if far better than valor at this point. And publicity will likely only hasten hearings to ban our devices. Non-smokers are just not going to warm up to something that looks and acts like a banned cigarette. Get real. Don't let individual acts of defiance ruin things for all of us.
I'm in agreement that permission should be asked before using an e-cig out & about. Equally it should be used with discretion - but unless we do use them in public the man in the street will never become familiar with them. I have only had positive feedback so far, and if anyone were to ask me to desist in a pub (for example) that's exactly what I'd do. Better to be open about it than furtive, imho.
I do wonder; manufacturers often say that e-cigs can't cause passive smoking; surely the vapour in the air is breathed in by other people? Admittedly it's probably not as harmful, but still.
It's a good point. I think that vapour seems to hang in the air for a much shorter period of time than smoke. It dissipates very quickly. No-one is advocating blowing vape in the face of non-smokers.
I just wondered how long it lingered for; just because we can't see it, doesn't mean it's not still there. I tend to refer to my e-cig as a nicotine vapouriser.
Yes. The fact is that we have to inhale pretty hard to get our nicotine from our e-cig. There's a lot about nicotine on the forum already - worth a search. Interestingly in small quantities it is found in plants such as potatoes, tomatoes and sweet peppers, so it's quite hard to avoid. I have a feeling (can't be sure) that nicotine in the "exhaust" will be negligible. Referring to an e-cig as a nicotine vapouriser or inhaler seems to be wholly reasonable, as that's what it is!
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