This is good news.

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eyespy

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Well personally I believe that we should only vape in a place where smoking has been banned if we have sort and been granted permission to do so.

To surrepticiously take the odd puff when no one is looking (lanyard or not) is likely to cause confrontation if caught and non-smokers to come to regard vapers as being a furive and devious lot.

In the long run It is also self defeating - you may get away with having the odd puff now and again but where is the fun in that! The very act causes vaping to remain underground, it does not promote it to the masses - how can people come to accept what they do not know about.

Asking permission is the way to go - it may be granted or refused or in my case first granted then later refused. However I am still hopeful about that pub - debate has been started - many of the smokers there didn't know such a thing existed but now they do and some will purchase an e-cig of their own - hopefully some of them will also ask permission to vape inside.

I was in a minority of one last Saturday - there was no way the manageress could continue to allow just me to use an e-cig after receiving compalints from non-smokers but if more and more smokers ask permission then she may yet reverse her decision - basically she is on our side which would not be the case if she had caught me taking a sly drag without asking.

Tropical Bob - In the UK if something is not illegal then it is legal there is no in between no maybe - We can only make something legal if it was illegal in the first place (the UK law on canabis is a case in point) therefore as e-smoking has never been illegal websites addressing the UK can currently state that it is legal to use in areas where tobacco smoking has been prohibited.
 

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Sorry to be pedantic but something in the UK can be illegal, not criminalised and legal. Legal needs active approval as far as I know.

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eg, decriminalising cannabis does not make it legal, or illegal.

Canabis has never been legalized it has always (since it was first made illegal :rolleyes:) been illegal - it was decriminalized - i.e. still illegal but no longer a criminal offence - something like a parking offence.

EDIT: To make something that is not illegal legal does not need active approval - it is legal by default until the powers that be decide otherwise.
 
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eyespy

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Kate said:
Ok, we'll have to disagree on that, I believe something can be unapproved but not illegal.
With the inclusion of the word "of" I agree with you - something can be unapproved of but not illegal.

Kate said:
Cannabis was never made legal but it was decriminalised for personal use, ie: not illegal.
Canabis was decriminalized not legalized.
Wikipedia to the rescue - definition of "Legalized":
Legalization is the process of removing a legal prohibition against something which is currently not legal.
Legalization is a process often applied to what are now regarded as victimless crimes, such as the consumption of illegal drugs (see Drug legalization). It should be contrasted with decriminalization, which removes criminal charges from an action, but leaves intact associated laws and regulations.
Legalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kate said:
Prostitution isn't illegal as far as I know, soliciting is. That doesn't mean that prostitution is legal either.
Actually it does - prostitition (in the UK) is perfectly legal

Kate said:
Whatever ...
I know .... it's all pedantic ..... and totally off topic which was if anyone knew of places that advertise that e-smoking is OK on their premesis.
 

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My city will be going smoke-free next month, so hopefully next year that will be happening, though in a Midwestern city of 40,000 or so, it isn't likely.

I was going to criticize you for using Pedobear as an avatar, but then it occurred to me that if I did that I'd be revealing that I know who Pedobear is and that might make make look like a bad person, so I decided not to say anything.

Wait... damn. :oops:
 
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