That is going to happen. Ppl are starting to notice the money that they can make off of e cigs and products, but the problem I have noticed is that ppl are opening them and have very little knowledge about them. I have only been vaping since August and I have learned quite a bit about these things, mainly due to ECF I might add, and I know way more than them. You just have to be careful where you shop.
This pisses me off!!
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Hey storm,
it should, fluoride is one of the most dangerous chemicals known to man, and has nothing to do with delivering safe water like chlorine does. (although chlorine is also dangerous, it's the lesser of two evils like vaping. It's better than the water born diseases you'd get without it, and it can be removed easily at the delivery site unlike fluoride which requires aluminium to be removed which is dangerous in it's own rite, and then has to be removed.)
Just saying.
EDIT: Your filter won't remove fluoride... sorry storm.
I was mainly kidding, but yeah, fluoride is a lot more dangerous than anyone will admit, especially when used to mix infant formula. Even the CDC has quit recommending fluoridation, though they haven't sent out any actual bulletins on it after years of saying it should be added.
Luckily, my town doesn't fluoridate, but there are a few types of filters that will remove most of it. You can't buy them in your local Wally World however. Reverse osmosis, activated alumina, deionization and distillations units are available if someone has fluoride in their water.I find it hilarious that it's not FDA approved for drinking, but still foisted off on 64% of the U.S.
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She pulled the same stunt with me in a different thread that was discussing vaping in public. "Pull of tobacco, go back to smoking," blah blah blah. Just ignore her. There's nothing wrong with questioning the ingredients we vape. In fact, it's responsible.
I vape 65% PG juice because I'm sensitive to VG. I get the same heavy lung feeling from VG that others describe. I have no evidence, but I would guess it has to do with the way your lungs process the residue from VG.
I want to know more about both substances and look forward to the results of long term studies.
Just to clarify, nowhere in my posts do I allude to the words NATURAL being good for you and synthetic being bad or vice vera.
In this instance, I'm referring to non-synthetic as being the PG that is derived from industry (a by-product of X), and the Synthetic as being a chemical compound produced by DOW (Exact chemical makeup of PG, no impurities) It's created in a lab essentially.
To lend this to our thread with an example that might make sense,
It would be a reductive fallacy (oversimplification) to say dihydrogen monoxide (water) is safe for you IF when you are referring to dihydrogen monoxide you are generalizing that water from a pond in Africa (some would just call it water), or stream is safe for you.
Water as its very basic chemical compound is safe. Water as generalized by most quite possibly isn't. There could be a lot of things that are included in that water (and usually are).
That being said PG is no different. PG itself is relatively safe as far as I know. The PG that you are using in your juice may or may not be. That is what I'm questioning. What else is in the PG because of X number of factors, what it's derived from, standards practiced.. on an on, my god.
Sorry DancingHeretik, this post in general is not aimed at you,
It is very frustrating having a conversation with people who constantly use playground tactics, no quotes, and don't even address the point.
Now you just be careful there- did you not read what horrible chemicals are in there - according to our dear WidowSon? Even BSE! You just be careful now.. this stuff is just as dangerous as dihydrogen monoxide!
I was mainly kidding, but yeah, fluoride is a lot more dangerous than anyone will admit, especially when used to mix infant formula. Even the CDC has quit recommending fluoridation, though they haven't sent out any actual bulletins on it after years of saying it should be added.
I find it hilarious that it's not FDA approved for drinking, but still foisted off on 64% of the U.S.
Aluminium is the only thing that I know that will touch it,.... then you have to remove the aluminium.... reverse os won't touch it (maybe a percentage point or two)
Anyways... ya, you are very lucky, we're having a hard time getting the city to revoke it, It's a constitutional thing as far as I'm concerned because it's considered a treatment (for teeth) and you can't treat someone without their permission... anyways.. I digress.
...... childish...
I'm somewhat sensitive to PG, but I prefer the 70/30 pg/vg mix, so the DOW pg has been of great interest to me. I'd like to see if having a more pure PG (no contaminants) can make these symptoms go away....
Users of inhalers that use the DOW pg say that it doesn't dry their throats like the other PG.
Anyways, I'm trying to source it in my area (I think most of it comes from EU/Germany specifically).
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You just be careful now.. this stuff is just as dangerous as dihydrogen monoxide!
I'm sorry, but the only thing dangerous here is you by trivializing an important aspect of our hobby that does not have enough research or information to make any conclusions yet.
If you are not interested in what we are vaping fine, but pretending that all is ok with your childish logic is worse than any FUD I could ever spread.
The effect of water purificatio... [J Indian Soc Pedod Prev Dent. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
Good luck getting it removed. Unfortunately, once something is added (or banned) it's much harder to get that decision reversed.
Now sit down and write a letter to your Senator and Representative urging them to tell the FDA to regulate e-cigarettes under their own set of rules rather than shoehorning them into those written for Big Tobacco.
Hey Storm,
I'll take a look at your article later, but the science behind Reverse osmosis only allows it to remove a tiny percentage of Ionic Impurities, and no Dissolved Gases . I realize there are many claims that Rev.Os. will remove fluorides, but these are untrue... I'm assuming they havn't been sued yet, in fact we have had both a large retail grocery chain, and a manufacturer both change their retail printed material because of such false claims. Rev Os. is best used to remove Dissolved Solids and organic impurities in which it removes almost all of them.
Do some google on fluoride and reverse osmosis... if you can't find anything reliable, PM me and I'll send you the science.
happy vaping.
EDIT: disregard retail store comment.. it was a charcoal filter system... just remembered that (gravity fed), doing some reading on fluoride in water and whether it stays as an inorganic compound or is a dissolved gass. As far as those statements and RO go, they're true.
It's hard to do research on things like this, because a lot of information (98% or more) is either selling you something, activists, or so biased one way or another they forget that truth is the only side.
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I still haven't heard back about the "Must Have Mattress Pads" they are flogging
hm... well, you know.. maybe that is better. After all, they might have some PG in it. And that has BSE as an ingredient, as our dear WidowSon has claimed
I was interested in Flouride some years ago ... it appears Flouride is one of the most difficult substances to dispose of.
Solution ... put it in the water to get rid of it
One of the more interesting facts to the "sensitivity" issue...it was alluded to for PG but not VG....is that not all VG is created equal either.
I had a case where the VG from one particular vendor gave me a reaction (hives). It was the VG for sure. I was able to isolate it because I DIY my juice ...swap it out, reaction gone. Swap it in, reaction back. Swap out, reaction gone. It tasted a little different too.
Some VG is made from coconut shells/coconut meat/whatever. Some is make from other sources. And then there's the 99.99% pure thing. What's that other fraction of a percent?
So it's not all cut-and-dry even for VG.
I had a case where the VG from one particular vendor gave me a reaction (hives). It was the VG for sure. I was able to isolate it because I DIY my juice ...swap it out, reaction gone. Swap it in, reaction back. Swap out, reaction gone. It tasted a little different too.
Some VG is made from coconut shells/coconut meat/whatever. Some is make from other sources. And then there's the 99.99% pure thing. What's that other fraction of a percent?
So it's not all cut-and-dry even for VG.
I haven't read the whole thread but it ...... me off as well. The thing that people need to understand is that if in fact propylene glycol is used in anitfreeze, the antifreeze would then be considered "non-toxic." PG is used over ethlyene glycol in situations where a non-toxic substance is called for. So is it used in anitfreeze? The non-toxic kind, yes (that's what constitutes the change in toxicity). 
Funny how we digress (fine.. me), StormFinch has me reading more about Fluorosilicic acid again. lol.
What vendor were you getting the VG from that you had a reaction to, and which vendor(s) do you use for the good stuff? You're welcome to PM me if you don't want to bad-mouth a vendor here.
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