This pisses me off!!
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Well looks like just another business looking to profit from the rise in e-cig sales, could be maybe their smoke shop business is down?
Key Services: Smoke Shop, E Cigarette Starter Kits, 32- E Juice Flavors, E Cigarette Replacement Parts, Luxury Heated Mattress Pad, Pure and natural Honey, Sunglasses, Zip Sticks, Lighter Leash, Whole Food Supplements
I have dedicated vape shop in the area that doesn't know what their doing either and was selling kanthal, seriously?? Do you even know what a mod with a rba is and what resistance is needed.........
Oh and btw they sell whole food supplements too........
Best thing to do is educate yourself and stay clear of those places, jmtc....
Key Services: Smoke Shop, E Cigarette Starter Kits, 32- E Juice Flavors, E Cigarette Replacement Parts, Luxury Heated Mattress Pad, Pure and natural Honey, Sunglasses, Zip Sticks, Lighter Leash, Whole Food Supplements
I have dedicated vape shop in the area that doesn't know what their doing either and was selling kanthal, seriously?? Do you even know what a mod with a rba is and what resistance is needed.........
Oh and btw they sell whole food supplements too........
Best thing to do is educate yourself and stay clear of those places, jmtc....
to anyone following the FLUORIDE sub-sub-sub-thread... (to everyone else, sorry)
OK, so the confusion I had when reading your article (it does remove fluoride) and what I had read years ago, obviously needed refreshing.
In Laymans terms:
Sodium Fluoride (usually quoted but never used in water fluoridation), Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) (most commonly used in water), Sodium Fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) (not as common but also used);
Can be removed from water in their inorganic state. You add the above, and then can remove (90%) of the above. Therefore you can claim that you can remove fluoride... The problem is what happens to the fluoride when we add it to water... If the fluorine/fluoride ionizes, then it cannot be removed.
NOT MINE: (respectfully quoted from a submission to Port Macquarie-Hastings by Dr John Lusk)
What happens when we add fluoride to water?
It is simply assumed by high school science teachers and supporters of fluoridation that all fluoride compounds dissociate entirely into fluoride ions, and harmless hydration compounds of silicon. Pure fluoride solutions do behave relatively predictably, both over the permissible pH range of municipal water supplies and in the extremely acidic environment of the human stomach. However, fluorosilicates dissociate in highly complex fashion in water, with an amazing range of complex derivatives forming at different pH values, none of whose toxicological properties has been adequately investigated. In other words, we don’t really know much about their effects on our health.
When fluorosilicates are added to water they dissociate to form fluorosilicate ions [SiF6 ] 2- with two negative electrical charges, accompanied by either two individual ions of hydrogen H+ (from fluorosilicic acid) or of sodium (Na+) (from sodium fluorosilicate). The individual elements, silicon (Si) and fluorine (F) in the fluorosilicate ion cannot move independently - at neutral pH they act as the complex substance fluorosilicate.
Fluorosilicates are therefore emphatically not identical to ‘fluorides’. In fact, fluorosilicates should not be referred to as ‘silicofluoride’, because this improperly implies that they are fluorides and have similar properties. This argument is often used to mislead audiences into believing that fluorosilicates are chemically interchangeable with true fluorides, and that adding fluorosilicate to drinking water is merely a ‘topping up’ process to augment fluoride concentrations below the ‘optimal’ level for preventing tooth decay.
When simple fluorides are dissolved in water, they are in the ionic form, F+. Provided that no aluminium is present, they remain so at all relevant pH levels, whether in pure water or in the acidity of the stomach.
Fluoride in the industrial sodium fluoride sometimes used in fluoridation is more bioavailable than that in calcium fluoride, whilst fluoride from water containing fluorosilicates is even more completely absorbed.
At around the normal pH of 7, approximately 97% of the fluorine in fluorosilicate added to the water is present in the form of ionised fluoride, F+ . At the very slightly acidic pH of 6, only 27% of the fluorine in fluorosilicate is present as fluoride - the rest is associated with other ions, and forms a number of complex and unstable compounds and ions that change over variable periods of time and at different pH values. At the acidity of the human stomach - pH2 to 3 - the proportion of fluorine atoms that are present as fluoride ions changes dramatically, and effectively no fluorine atoms are present in the ionic state.
OK, so the confusion I had when reading your article (it does remove fluoride) and what I had read years ago, obviously needed refreshing.
In Laymans terms:
Sodium Fluoride (usually quoted but never used in water fluoridation), Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) (most commonly used in water), Sodium Fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) (not as common but also used);
Can be removed from water in their inorganic state. You add the above, and then can remove (90%) of the above. Therefore you can claim that you can remove fluoride... The problem is what happens to the fluoride when we add it to water... If the fluorine/fluoride ionizes, then it cannot be removed.
NOT MINE: (respectfully quoted from a submission to Port Macquarie-Hastings by Dr John Lusk)
What happens when we add fluoride to water?
It is simply assumed by high school science teachers and supporters of fluoridation that all fluoride compounds dissociate entirely into fluoride ions, and harmless hydration compounds of silicon. Pure fluoride solutions do behave relatively predictably, both over the permissible pH range of municipal water supplies and in the extremely acidic environment of the human stomach. However, fluorosilicates dissociate in highly complex fashion in water, with an amazing range of complex derivatives forming at different pH values, none of whose toxicological properties has been adequately investigated. In other words, we don’t really know much about their effects on our health.
When fluorosilicates are added to water they dissociate to form fluorosilicate ions [SiF6 ] 2- with two negative electrical charges, accompanied by either two individual ions of hydrogen H+ (from fluorosilicic acid) or of sodium (Na+) (from sodium fluorosilicate). The individual elements, silicon (Si) and fluorine (F) in the fluorosilicate ion cannot move independently - at neutral pH they act as the complex substance fluorosilicate.
Fluorosilicates are therefore emphatically not identical to ‘fluorides’. In fact, fluorosilicates should not be referred to as ‘silicofluoride’, because this improperly implies that they are fluorides and have similar properties. This argument is often used to mislead audiences into believing that fluorosilicates are chemically interchangeable with true fluorides, and that adding fluorosilicate to drinking water is merely a ‘topping up’ process to augment fluoride concentrations below the ‘optimal’ level for preventing tooth decay.
When simple fluorides are dissolved in water, they are in the ionic form, F+. Provided that no aluminium is present, they remain so at all relevant pH levels, whether in pure water or in the acidity of the stomach.
Fluoride in the industrial sodium fluoride sometimes used in fluoridation is more bioavailable than that in calcium fluoride, whilst fluoride from water containing fluorosilicates is even more completely absorbed.
At around the normal pH of 7, approximately 97% of the fluorine in fluorosilicate added to the water is present in the form of ionised fluoride, F+ . At the very slightly acidic pH of 6, only 27% of the fluorine in fluorosilicate is present as fluoride - the rest is associated with other ions, and forms a number of complex and unstable compounds and ions that change over variable periods of time and at different pH values. At the acidity of the human stomach - pH2 to 3 - the proportion of fluorine atoms that are present as fluoride ions changes dramatically, and effectively no fluorine atoms are present in the ionic state.
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Well looks like just another business looking to profit from the rise in e-cig sales, could be maybe their smoke shop business is down?
Key Services: Smoke Shop, E Cigarette Starter Kits, 32- E Juice Flavors, E Cigarette Replacement Parts, Luxury Heated Mattress Pad, Pure and natural Honey, Sunglasses, Zip Sticks, Lighter Leash, Whole Food Supplements
I have dedicated vape shop in the area that doesn't know what their doing either and was selling kanthal, seriously?? Do you even know what a mod with a rba is and what resistance is needed.........
Oh and btw they sell whole food supplements too........
Best thing to do is educate yourself and stay clear of those places, jmtc....
I think you've summed it up best....
looking to profit from e-cig sales (sounds like the American dream)
they sell whole food supplements too... probably a bunch of organic hippy types that have a lot of misinformation about e-cigs etc... who needs organic food anyways... all you need is air (breathairianism) <-- add to dictionary?
probably not doing the e-cig thing any good, but hardly evil intentions.
Your last line is best:
"Best thing to do is educate yourself and stay clear of those places", exactly what I would do in this situation....
or we could burn the place to the ground like a previous poster mentioned (oh wait, that was me.)
no thanks, I like to sleep at night, can't do that if I'm questioning whether or not I made the right judgment about someone while we are guessing their intentions.
lots of bad retailers... good thing we're all informed consumers.
Day-um, you have dashed my hopes in that I see you're still on this thread... grasping at that ego centric 'lifeline'...
BTW, have a couple more pages to wade through... might be back later. Stay tuned...
I can't comment on flouride or sodium oxygen titrate or whatever, I am going to comment on the OP...
Because the website in question sells honey and mattress pads along with ecigs and juice, I am betting they don't know anything at all about vaping. Makes me think that they probably don't make their juice but rather purchase it from a vendor. My guess is that the juice vendor is the one responsible for the anti-PG language on the website. The owners of this place probably just repeated what the sales rep told them.
Maybe before sending 100 nasty emails about something they are probably clueless about, it would have been more effective to educate them first.
I just keep picturing this angry mob with torches chasing the heretic out of the village...
Because the website in question sells honey and mattress pads along with ecigs and juice, I am betting they don't know anything at all about vaping. Makes me think that they probably don't make their juice but rather purchase it from a vendor. My guess is that the juice vendor is the one responsible for the anti-PG language on the website. The owners of this place probably just repeated what the sales rep told them.
Maybe before sending 100 nasty emails about something they are probably clueless about, it would have been more effective to educate them first.
I just keep picturing this angry mob with torches chasing the heretic out of the village...
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