oh i can give you ball park... its TYPICALLY more than 150 and less than 400 degrees Celsius...
Hearing Misinformation About Cotton From Vape Store Clerks
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oh i can give you ball park... its TYPICALLY more than 150 and less than 400 degrees Celsius...
That's a big ballpark....The wire temp issue came up when the big discussion about ss mesh was happening. Ballpark was difficult on that one too.
using the method where i use a grounded k-type thermocouple directly on the coil and check the reading after i let off the power button
i have seen temps as high as 250 degrees Celsius on a 0.8 ohm twisted kanthal dripping atty. but that reading is taken as the coil is cooling down. and it was done with a grounded thermocouple, not the ideal situation for electronic circuits.
Which leaves the long periods of time part - "temps of 150 C for long periods of time will thermally decompose cotton", and then some measurement of the products produced etc. Interesting.
repeated exposure to temps above 150 C may also cause some thermal decomposition.
but i have yet to see any data that would even suggest this.
a ECF user said that he only got about 2 days out of a cotton wick on a subohm dripper.
he shows us pics and it was like charred black under the coil. he said the flavor was fine... So.. IDK
but i do know my silica wicks never look that dirty even after weeks of subohm use.
the whole taste is subjective thing really plays a key part. a dry hit to you might be on par with normal hit for me.
its just so hard to say...
I hope not.
It would be interesting to see some gas spectometry from vapers exhalations - a sample of vapers using cotton wicks, then ss mesh...You get the drift. It was done with cigalikes in a study but not for anything more advanced.
Whatever it is. You'll always get people claiming that something is harmful, when there's no real evidence to say that it is.
it's like I always laugh when people say. "We can't say whether vaping is less harmful than smoking." Right OK. So vaping can do as much damage as inhaling 4000 chemicals like Tar and lead. Don't think so. I think it's common sense that vaping HAS to be less harmful than smoking. Much less.
It's the same with Cotton. Once Cotton has been boiled, or if you buy organic Cotton. There's no chemicals in it, and if there is, it's a tiny amount of Peroxide. Nothing that would cause you any harm whatsoever. People like to bring up Brown Lung or Silicosis, but this is caused by inhaling the chemicals during the manufacturing process, in a much higher amount, and all day every day.
Even if vaping or cotton does you any damage, which I doubt, it is infinitely less than inhaling smoke.
It's funny how people like to jump to conclusions with vaping, especially nicotine. But they say nothing about drinking Coffee with Caffeine in it. A drug that does as much 'damage' as Nicotine.
it's like I always laugh when people say. "We can't say whether vaping is less harmful than smoking." Right OK. So vaping can do as much damage as inhaling 4000 chemicals like Tar and lead. Don't think so. I think it's common sense that vaping HAS to be less harmful than smoking. Much less.
It's the same with Cotton. Once Cotton has been boiled, or if you buy organic Cotton. There's no chemicals in it, and if there is, it's a tiny amount of Peroxide. Nothing that would cause you any harm whatsoever. People like to bring up Brown Lung or Silicosis, but this is caused by inhaling the chemicals during the manufacturing process, in a much higher amount, and all day every day.
Even if vaping or cotton does you any damage, which I doubt, it is infinitely less than inhaling smoke.
It's funny how people like to jump to conclusions with vaping, especially nicotine. But they say nothing about drinking Coffee with Caffeine in it. A drug that does as much 'damage' as Nicotine.
Thank you Sir.
Honestly, ECF is (blessedly) very tame compared to other forums I've participated in, though some of the behavior patterns are similar. I've been working in the videogame business for almost two decades and discussions with gamers can be...painful. Vaping forums are generally more mature and civil, mostly because vaping forums have older posters. Now boxing forums...ouch. I love boxing, but some hardcore boxing fans made me sad. Ha!In my case, I'm 99% positive the vendor will see the story. As I mentioned in another post, I'm fond of the store and its owner. The owner does keep up with my articles and videos. I'm actually nervous about him asking me, "Was that article about one of my guys?" I won't lie to him if he asks, but right now I'm disinclined to bring it to his attention.
I hope not.
it will happen sooner or later. probably sooner
let's not flame rpad. I believe he puts on a respectable, professional, non grunge show, that may appeal to many interested or new vapors. However I feel cotton is fairly safe, safer than silica, dry hits of any kind are not good, no matter what wick your using. I think that is the bigger problem. When used properly it's just a juice carrier. It doesn't burn when used properly. At any rate I have moved to hemp fiber and find it better than cotton.. And let's face it it grows pretty easily..
Vaping on cotton can not be as bad as smoking a cigarette or cigarette paper.
I think what Raymond would have liked to hear was .." I feel cotton works better than silica"
Vaping on cotton can not be as bad as smoking a cigarette or cigarette paper.
I think what Raymond would have liked to hear was .." I feel cotton works better than silica"
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"There's no chemicals in it, and if there is, it's a tiny amount of Peroxide"
So everything, is a chemical. the water that makes up most of your body is a chemical. Cotton by weight is mostly a polysaccharide, this is a type of chemical. the air you breath is a lot of different chemicals. Everything is a chemical. the word chemical is broad term in chemistry.
"Cotton is not white".... LOL... you've never driven by a cotton field in south Georgia, have you?
And for something to be "certified organic" I don't believe pesticides can be used. I could be wrong though?
At least no synthetic pesticides can be used, only pesticides occuring in nature. And doesn't include "DDT" which was banned, oh.. 42 years ago.
And for something to be "certified organic" I don't believe pesticides can be used. I could be wrong though?
At least no synthetic pesticides can be used, only pesticides occuring in nature. And doesn't include "DDT" which was banned, oh.. 42 years ago.
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Debate and discussion is good... may not be 100% safe though!!
After further review and thought... I realized why this thread caught my attention and stuck in my brain. I will say it's fascinating and a bit disturbing to see how some of you think and to the lengths we all go to express either an opinion or facts.
RPAD... your observation and assessment of the B&M clerk's statement on the safety of cotton is fair and reasonable. But... in the spirit of constructive criticism your rationale for addressing the subject strikes a cord in the heart of most vapers and to some may even be classified as a "cardinal sin" in presenting the merits of e-cig usage from a positive perspective...
In my observations... what you stated is pretty much reason "Number 1" in the ANTZ playbook for not only outright opposing the usage of electronic cigarettes but is being extensively used within legal and legislative bodies world-wide to ban, tax and vilify e-cigarette usage. Even highly educated medical and scientific professionals are using this... for lack of a better term... misinformation tactic to support questionable agendas.
Sorry if that sounds harsh... but I believe it's pretty much at the heart of the matter facing us users and proponents of tobacco harm reduction.
Well and just to nit-pick a little... saying cotton ain't white is pretty much like debating that also snow and polar bears ain't exactly white. While most will agree the hairs on a gnat's behind can be combed and styled... it's not worth the effort nor does it do much to support an intelligent debate. And please... DDT left us in the 70's... Eagles soar over my back yard as a result of that crap not being used in the cotton fields a half mile from my home.
It would appear your blog is "pro" vaping... please consider in your future dialog not feeding the ANTZ perspective if you can avoid it. I know pot stirring and controversy can generate web traffic... but using cotton for wicking is far safer than getting a bunch of edgy vapers riled up not to mention getting thermal engineers on a tangent over kanthal coil temperature variances... think of the children...
After further review and thought... I realized why this thread caught my attention and stuck in my brain. I will say it's fascinating and a bit disturbing to see how some of you think and to the lengths we all go to express either an opinion or facts.
RPAD... your observation and assessment of the B&M clerk's statement on the safety of cotton is fair and reasonable. But... in the spirit of constructive criticism your rationale for addressing the subject strikes a cord in the heart of most vapers and to some may even be classified as a "cardinal sin" in presenting the merits of e-cig usage from a positive perspective...
In my observations... what you stated is pretty much reason "Number 1" in the ANTZ playbook for not only outright opposing the usage of electronic cigarettes but is being extensively used within legal and legislative bodies world-wide to ban, tax and vilify e-cigarette usage. Even highly educated medical and scientific professionals are using this... for lack of a better term... misinformation tactic to support questionable agendas.
Sorry if that sounds harsh... but I believe it's pretty much at the heart of the matter facing us users and proponents of tobacco harm reduction.
Well and just to nit-pick a little... saying cotton ain't white is pretty much like debating that also snow and polar bears ain't exactly white. While most will agree the hairs on a gnat's behind can be combed and styled... it's not worth the effort nor does it do much to support an intelligent debate. And please... DDT left us in the 70's... Eagles soar over my back yard as a result of that crap not being used in the cotton fields a half mile from my home.
It would appear your blog is "pro" vaping... please consider in your future dialog not feeding the ANTZ perspective if you can avoid it. I know pot stirring and controversy can generate web traffic... but using cotton for wicking is far safer than getting a bunch of edgy vapers riled up not to mention getting thermal engineers on a tangent over kanthal coil temperature variances... think of the children...
pesticides in general are applied at such time and way as to minimize any residual poison from getting into
or staying on the plants there are being used on.when used as directed they are quite harmless.
if this wasn't true we would all be dead,.... up,pushing up daisies,kicked the bucket,
assumed room temperature or worse.
and no the fibers are not going to clog your lungs.you'd probably get more cotton fiber
in you by pulling your cotton t-shirt over your daft heads.
is every one here a hypochondriac?
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mike
or staying on the plants there are being used on.when used as directed they are quite harmless.
if this wasn't true we would all be dead,.... up,pushing up daisies,kicked the bucket,
assumed room temperature or worse.
and no the fibers are not going to clog your lungs.you'd probably get more cotton fiber
in you by pulling your cotton t-shirt over your daft heads.
is every one here a hypochondriac?
regards
mike
I remember reading on here and other places on the web that towns that rely largely on cotton as a source for income have had some of the highest rates of birth defects and shorter life spans as a whole.... Many people think that there are some issues with cotton and even more with vaping with it... we could argue all day about safe or its safer than "blank". the main thing is that no ones really knows 100% yet what could happen in the next 10-40years from using cotton as a wick or even silica or quartz.... just be mindful of others and have an intelligent conversation would be my advice.
Pipe down B1sh0p, if you want entertainment go play with a Provari
It irks me that if someone posts anything slightly quizzical about the safety of vaping that some members jump on the "well I was smoking before so it must be safer than that" defense mechanism. That's really not the point. I think we all have a duty to ask these questions and try to find out the answers by reasoned logic, discussion and research.
I think we should all take a step back in these threads and ask how vaping has moved forward. The answer is, in part, by normal vapers like everyone here on this forum asking questions like these. This wouldn't happen if we all just agreed that because we all did something a particular way or used a particular product that it was safe and we should maintain the status quo.
You dared suggest it might not be good for us you ANTZ - I hate that knee-jerk almost spasmodic reaction. I think ECF is better than that.
It's a legitimate discussion - not particularly exciting I agree, but important.
Well, it did make it to 3 pages. But, arguing over the color and sterility if cotton?
So your worried about the long term unproven effects of using cotton, but you have no hang ups on the long term unproven effects of vaping itself? I think your putting the cart before the horse (or something like that).
Bottom line (using cotton wick) is WAY healthier than cigarettes. It makes me laugh how .... some people are about every little possible thing like this. You used to smoke cigarettes that have like 4,000 different deadly chemicals in them (and didn't say a word) and some people are afraid to boil there cotton balls in tap water? Gimme a break.
BTW silica is made out of fiber glass so what would you rather wick with?
Bottom line (using cotton wick) is WAY healthier than cigarettes. It makes me laugh how .... some people are about every little possible thing like this. You used to smoke cigarettes that have like 4,000 different deadly chemicals in them (and didn't say a word) and some people are afraid to boil there cotton balls in tap water? Gimme a break.
BTW silica is made out of fiber glass so what would you rather wick with?
that due to the terrible work conditions of the pickers.
there are not properly handling the product and i.m sure
they are not following the directions on any labels.
regards
mike
I simply don't understand that the fact we used to smoke precludes us asking if how we are vaping could be made relatively more safe by a change in method or materials.
No, you're inferring me putting the cart before the horse when it wasn't implied -- at all. I never stated anything about being "worried" about "using cotton" or "vaping itself."
Not really the point at all. Did you read the column?
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