Those People

[Vaslovik]

I've run into this too of course, the vape haters. We have a couple of them at work and they are just plain nasty people who need something and someone to hate. That's just how they are, and that's my take on them. If it weren't vaping they hate on they would find something else to hate on, because they need to externalize their inner self-loathing and direct it at others to feel better about themselves, for a moment. I've gotten hated on in public by haters who go out of their way to deliberately engineer a conflict over it, when it was not at all a problem.

There are about a dozen vapers out in the holding lot where all us drivers wait to be called to the airport, and a couple of vape haters who say nasty things to us about it. We all know who they are and no one likes them. We are technically not supposed to vape in our cars, because no smoking is allowed in the cars, and the management considers vaping the same as smoking, which if of course way wrong. The vape haters will call the dispatch booth and snitch on us for vaping in our cars, so we just park far away from them, and vape on. They are pariahs at work. One of the best dispatchers also vapes, and I got him going on DIY too, so we have him in our camp, and the haters don't get any real traction.

 

[K_Tech]

There are only a few people whose opinions I really care about, and they either affect my life or my paycheck. If they're outside that circle, their opinions are, at best, a minor annoyance to be ignored, much like the fly buzzing around the outhouse.

 

[EvilZoe]

There are only a few people whose opinions I really care about, and they either affect my life or my paycheck. If they're outside that circle, their opinions are, at best, a minor annoyance to be ignored, much like the fly buzzing around the outhouse.

That's fine, but we would ask you to remember that - whether you like it or not - when you're vaping in public, you're representing all of US to the non-vaping population. No one asked for it to be this way but that IS the way it is.

Nobody can do anything about what anyone else does but perhaps it will help to keep everyone remembering that vaping is under attack and we NEED public opinion to be in our favor if we're going to survive the onslaught from the big, moneyed, goliaths that would eliminate the vaping industry by any means possible.

 

[Bunnykiller]

just goes to show how uneducated the masses really are... if they spent 1/2 the time learning about vaping from vapers instead of the media... they would more than likely condone the vape in place of the ciggie....
but noooo, they are like lemmings... all headed towards the cliff of media hype blindly jumping over the edge...
I guess vapers are interested in being educated and have a real grasp on the reality of the benefits of vaping as to that of smoking...

 

[Vaslovik]

Yes, vaping certainly IS under attack, and I heard the propaganda echoed back to me and another vaper at work recently. He saw we both vaped and said, "But I heard that was worse than smoking!" Oh wow! That garbage is out there, and being circulated with gusto by the haters. We educated this innocent quickly and made sure we countered the lies.

 

[EvilZoe]

Yes, vaping certainly IS under attack, and I heard the propaganda echoed back to me and another vaper at work recently. He saw we both vaped and said, "But I heard that was worse than smoking!" Oh wow! That garbage is out there, and being circulated with gusto by the haters. We educated this innocent quickly and made sure we countered the lies.

The absolute BEST thing each of us can do is get a cigarette smoker interested in trying vaping and make it possible for them to skip the crappy beginner stuff. With each smoker we convert, we educate their non-smoking families, too. When someone finds something they care about is actually LEAVING the cigarettes behind, they know that vaping has a lot of potential and with every enthusiastic newbie we can hook them up with the ACTUAL results of the science so far and they'll share that with their friends and families.

It's slow going, yes, because we don't have the advantage the other side does of a public perfectly willing to accept the fearmongering at face value.

 

[Vaslovik]

The absolute BEST thing each of us can do is get a cigarette smoker interested in trying vaping and make it possible for them to skip the crappy beginner stuff.

Oh I'd love to do that, but it's very hard to get a smoker to pony up the bucks for decent equipment when they have no experience and vaping is a complete unknown to them. I get where you are coming from, so many try the el-cheapo crap from the 711, toss it, and go right back to smoking thinking that vaping is not for them. Then too, so many want nothing to do with learning how to use and maintain the better equipment. My SO was one of those, and he went back to smoking. We aren't together anymore, because he was like that about way too many things.

 

[EvilZoe]

Oh I'd love to do that, but it's very hard to get a smoker to pony up the bucks for decent equipment when they have no experience and vaping is a complete unknown to them. I get where you are coming from, so many try the el-cheapo crap from the 711, toss it, and go right back to smoking thinking that vaping is not for them. Then too, so many want nothing to do with learning how to use and maintain the better equipment. My SO was one of those, and he went back to smoking. We aren't together anymore, because he was like that about way too many things.

I'm "fortunate" in that I went nuts on vaping equipment right in the beginning and had just come into an inheritance. I overbought for my definitely unanticipated extreme drop in need to vape so I can assemble full kits to get people started. I think I can do another 3 or so of what WAS expensive American made stuff but the person has to REALLY be special before I'll hand them the vaping golden ticket....lol

You see that $6000-something number in my Nicoticket sig banner? Yeah, I probably spent 3/4 of it on vaping stuff from all over the world...lol I just recently gave away my original Cobra genny tank and 3 extra colored tubes for it to a newer vape freak. He'd never seen a genesis type tank and I bought that one from the UK and had it shipped here to the US. I never even ONCE tried to use it.

 

[catlady60]

I think many vapers, and the industry itself, has shot itself in the foot.



really?

do you think it's "good for vaping" when ejuice manufacturers are naming ejuice "druggie" names, like:

{Moderated}. {Moderated}. {Moderated}.

I'm often quite embarassed by this nonsense. I can't be "associated" with stuff like that.

I even know some members who left vaping forums because they have the kind of professional jobs, etc. where they can't be seen as druggies, part of alternative culture, etc.

Personally, I had to take all links to vaping off my FB page, because I want it to remain professional...many people who don't want future employers or people they do business with to "identify" them with a subculture that may have shady undertones, have had to do this.
{Moderated} Pie? C'mon!!!

This goes well beyond studies and negative press .... it's self-damage to the industry from w/in the industry itself. Hard to feel any sympathy.....I only feel embarassment.

The best way to get vendors to stop putting juvenile names for their juice flavors is to boycott the manufacturers who name those juices. Most vendors and manufacturers are conscious of their reputation and will name their juices after the actual flavors, but the few who are trying to be cute are ruining it for the rest of us. Don't buy juices with names like {Moderated}, {Moderated}, etc., and maybe they'll get the message that it's not cool to try to kill a nascent industry by naming juices after illegal stuff.

 

[EvilZoe]

I don't see anything wrong with them wanting to create clever, interesting names for their juices. Adults don't lose their taste for nicely flavored things like desserts and candy and pretending that anyone is creating this stuff and giving them fun names in order to hook kids is definitely not REALLY considering the facts.

Besides, it wouldn't matter if they named them formal, boring names. The other side would STILL claim it's being marketed to children because that's an easy argument to make that sort of sounds plausible if you don't really think it through and you have no personal vested interest.

 

[bloodless2010]

A friend of mine posted this the other day, and I got irritated.
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1. because I vape. I didn't comment that it saved me from smoking.
2. because if I really wanted to, I could put my long hair in a man bun.
3. well, Bae irritates me, so I'm gonna give her that one.

A friend of mien also posted that, while I have no problems with ANY of those things, it irritates me why vaping is on this list, it isn't a trend as people see it, but people are using it as a trend which may be were this hate trend originates from, people seem to think anyone who vapes are just following a trend.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Lol
I am not concerned with what some internet tweeting lump thinks of me or vaping.
I'm an adult. No one will talk that crap to me in public, so who cares what they twit.
Don't fall back into a grade school mentality.
Your image isnt going to affect the industry, any more than the opinions of some 14 year old troll trying to get an online rise.
I'm not an ambassador for vaping. Don't expect me to "represent" the "cause". I do however carry myself as an adult, and I try not to be discourteous to others at all times, not just when vaping.



@HauntedMyst,....psssh I got rid of all the Samurai in my prefecture.

 

[WillyZee]

Lately I've noticed a backlash against vaping and vapers. Not the kind I'm used to seeing about how vaping is bad for you and all that from anti-smoking people who lump in vaping. But among some of my "facebook friends" who like to post memes about how vapers are douchebags. Now I'm not personally one of those guys that posts a lot about vaping, it's rare. I was used to the mild teasing about vaping a "Silver Bullet" years ago. Poor choice of names for that mod. But this is different, these are people who genuinely thinking vaping and vapers are a bunch of douchebags. The only thing I can think of is that vaping has gotten more mainstream and anytime that happens, people who are into something get labeled by some people as douchebags. It doesn't really bother that much. I just brush it off. But I'm posting about it because I've been noticing it more and more and wonder if you all have as well?

I guess it does bother me in one way. I'm a afraid these people are going to scare off smokers that might have tried vaping but now won't because they fear a social backlash from these ignorant folks who are targeting vapers rather than smokers.

these idiotz are not helping with their douchebaggery ... google Vapeola

I've been watching the story unfold ... it seems Crayola has just been informed of these douchebags

 

[Vaslovik]

A friend of mien also posted that, while I have no problems with ANY of those things, it irritates me why vaping is on this list, it isn't a trend as people see it, but people are using it as a trend which may be were this hate trend originates from, people seem to think anyone who vapes are just following a trend.

This hate trend originates with people who need something and someone to hate, and if it wasn't vaping it would be something else. They are not happy people at all, which they have amply demonstrated to me in the conflicts they deliberately engineered with me in public places. The fake coughing and sneezing in a bar where the AC was blowing my vapor the other way, and she was 50 ft. from me, and the guy at the flea market who was glaring as us standing at the vape booth 70 ft. away from him, then came rushing up in my face yelling "Don't you blow that s.... in MY face!" then quickly walked away, or the woman who pulled up next to me in a parking lot where I was vaping in my car before work, and just opened her car door, sat there, and started up the fake coughing bit. There have been other incidents but you get the picture. They want conflict, they hate us for what we enjoy, and they aren't going to stop.

From what I've seen it's not at all about the names of juice, or any of the straw man issues they raise. It's about them being haters who need something and someone to hate, others they can harass out of sheer meanness. It's just the kind of people they are.

 

[Vaslovik]

I don't see anything wrong with them wanting to create clever, interesting names for their juices. Adults don't lose their taste for nicely flavored things like desserts and candy and pretending that anyone is creating this stuff and giving them fun names in order to hook kids is definitely not REALLY considering the facts.

Besides, it wouldn't matter if they named them formal, boring names. The other side would STILL claim it's being marketed to children because that's an easy argument to make that sort of sounds plausible if you don't really think it through and you have no personal vested interest.

I very much agree with you! This business about names of juices appealing to kids is just a red herring to give them an excuse to be hateful and harass us, because they are hateful people who need someone to hate. For them seeing someone vaping is much too inviting a target to pass by. It's how they are. With the advent of Politically Correct all their traditional hate targets are now off limits, so they have focused their hate on us.

 

[jlb]

I get looks and eyrolls when vaping at work, from smokers mostly. Even have had people wave their hand in front of their face when a little vape goes in their direction. That irritates me to no end. I dont blow huge clouds at work and normally use a stealthy setup. I had one person say something about my vape stinking and I primarily use fruit and bakery flavors. So I replied to her in my nicest tone "yeah, your cigarette smells so much better". Needless to say, I got no reply from her. I try to be conciderate and stand downwind, but sometimes I would like to just blow a huge cloud in their face.

 

[towelie]

Im not offended, freedom of speech ftw...just dont physically touch me or its war; but ya say whatever you like its my choice to listen.

 

[towelie]

I got the fake hand face waving and fake coughing a couple months ago vaping at an amusement park during halloween lol...ironiclly not a single person minded the TONS of atomized pg that was pumped out every 10ft for spooky fog effects. rofl copter followed me that night.

 

[HighPlainsPuffer]

Wow I find many folks' experiences to be incredible! I've never had anyone say anything negative to me about vaping (maybe cause I'm pretty wide across the shoulders?). I've had a handful of smokers ask me about it, all very curious as to the effects and workings, and plenty of discussions about it with non-smokers. Personally, anyone coming up to me and telling me what to do in my life is going to get put in their place, abruptly and sarcastically, whether it's about vaping or anything else, as I go out of my way to not be a nuisance.

 

[Vaslovik]

Wow I find many folks' experiences to be incredible! I've never had anyone say anything negative to me about vaping (maybe cause I'm pretty wide across the shoulders?). I've had a handful of smokers ask me about it, all very curious as to the effects and workings, and plenty of discussions about it with non-smokers. Personally, anyone coming up to me and telling me what to do in my life is going to get put in their place, abruptly and sarcastically, whether it's about vaping or anything else, as I go out of my way to not be a nuisance.

You do, of course, realize that everyone is going to treat a big man differently than they will a small woman like myself, right?