Those People

[Racehorse]

I carry business cards of a few eliquid manufacturers in my glove compartment. When TSA pulled me out of line at airport, because they didn't know what a REO was 3 years ago, I had also packaged the instructions and Robert's business card WITH the mod when I packed it into my carry on bag. That helped.

You do not want to get pulled over by a police officer who thinks you may be using "the funny stuff" in a vaporizer (live in small southern town) and then have a bottle of eliquid that is named after a schedule II hard drug. I just don't think people in the vaping industry who name their eliquid "{Moderated} pie" or "{Moderated}" realize that this may be an "image" problem. It just doesn't help anything.

 

[HighPlainsPuffer]

You do, of course, realize that everyone is going to treat a big man differently than they will a small woman like myself, right?

Absolutely! Of course, I'm not a big dude, only 5'8" 140lbs but I'm about 28" across at the shoulders

I really think it has more to do with how folks carry themselves, but I hear you on being a smaller person. My gf has also never had anyone say anything to her about vaping, and she's quite small, and a lawyer

 

[crxess]

Oh I'd love to do that, but it's very hard to get a smoker to pony up the bucks for decent equipment when they have no experience and vaping is a complete unknown to them. I get where you are coming from, so many try the el-cheapo crap from the 711, toss it, and go right back to smoking thinking that vaping is not for them. Then too, so many want nothing to do with learning how to use and maintain the better equipment. My SO was one of those, and he went back to smoking. We aren't together anymore, because he was like that about way too many things.

Actually not completely correct.
Look at your Smoking Budget.
Look at your Actual Vaping Budget.

There is generally a large difference when ignoring Impulse buying.

While I am no longer out and about or working - Disability injury - I did often offer Smokers an alternative at little cost to me. Of some 30 I took a chance on, 25 of those are now Full on Vapers and 2 I know of are dual users(working on quitting)
My Average investment was roughly $20 per person Spread over Months of me Not Smoking.
What did work can still work. A Device capable of offering a chance. Then they can advance as desired.

EGO/Clearomizer - Branded or off brand of quality
5ml of Dekange Tobacco or menthol(Yes, cheapo Dekange)
A good alternative is Bluebacco - a decent Tobacco with a hint of Blueberry that usually lights up their eyes with delight.

I look at those I have helped and there is No Expense that can over shadow the Reward I experienced.

 

[Bad Ninja]

My gf has also never had anyone say anything to her about vaping, and she's quite small, and a lawyer

I sure wouldn't.
Lol a lawyer can do a lot more damage than a tough guy!

 

[Vaslovik]

Actually not completely correct.
Look at your Smoking Budget.
Look at your Actual Vaping Budget.

I've told people all of that, and my vaping budget is so far below what my smoking budget was it's not even funny, but then I DIY and don't need a thing from the B&M's having concentrated on becoming independent of them. It's not the same for a new vaper, and it took me a while to get to that point myself. When I started I was reluctant to spend the money necessary for decent equipment. Now it's a very different story of course, but how to convince a non-vaper of that? They have not the benefit of experience, and I just worry they will get some cheap cigalike from the corner store and decide it's not for them.

 

[crxess]

I've told people all of that, and my vaping budget is so far below what my smoking budget was it's not even funny, but then I DIY and don't need a thing from the B&M's having concentrated on becoming independent of them. It's not the same for a new vaper, and it took me a while to get to that point myself. When I started I was reluctant to spend the money necessary for decent equipment. Now it's a very different story of course, but how to convince a non-vaper of that? They have not the benefit of experience, and I just worry they will get some cheap cigalike from the corner store and decide it's not for them.

I hear where you are coming from and understand.
I think you missed what I actually did. As I wanted to make an impact on peoples lives, I took it upon myself to find something I could afford, that worked and was Not cost Prohibitive.
Basically I would Purchase everything for 5 complete kits(including e-liquids) and as needed, I would simply Give them away - With support.
A few needed extra attention, but most caught on rather quickly. I only provided what was and still is readily available locally<though a bit more costly in B&M's>

Interested People Rarely turn down Free
Interested Fish rarely pass up easy bait

 

[englishmick]

The best way to get vendors to stop putting juvenile names for their juice flavors is to boycott the manufacturers who name those juices. Most vendors and manufacturers are conscious of their reputation and will name their juices after the actual flavors, but the few who are trying to be cute are ruining it for the rest of us. Don't buy juices with names like Blow, Crack Pie, etc., and maybe they'll get the message that it's not cool to try to kill a nascent industry by naming juices after illegal stuff.

Well, the vendors selling stuff with that kind of name aren't selling to you and me anyway. I assume they are selling to kids who think it's cute to use juice with names that will appall the grownups. It's probably a rather small niche market. But if there's money to be made satisfying that market someone will take up the challenge.

Since there's nothing we can do about it we might as well shrug our shoulders and let them have their fun.

 

[stylemessiah]

I have to say ive seen nothing but support and interest from the great unwashed since i started vaping. Its nothing for me to get stopped a half dozen or more times a day when i leave the fortress of solitude to walk amongst them. Ive had cops stop me and ask me to explain it to them, missed trains as ive been delayed by transit officers, while ive been switching trains on multi train journeys (sometimes causing a 45 minute wait, but im happy to educate anyone), who want to know where to get the gear. The best thing ever is vaping not coming under smoking laws, being able to vape at cafes, and extra especially every wednesday morning, when i travel on a multi train trip to volunteer in the country, i share a carriage with 5 or 6 cops who dont even bat an eyelid when i get out to swap trains to get the country train and immediately have a quick vape on the country platform in front of them. If i was a smoker that would get me a fine in about 10 seconds Early on i got the "is he smoking weed" look a bit, but thats pretty much disappeared for me at least since theres been more awareness, including a lot of positive messages from doctors on morning and current affairs shows who say if they smoked, theyd switch to vaping.

Lol, the best thing ever was at a station on the coast, had a few minutes after getting off a connecting bus to have a quick vape, police officer appeared and said quite politely "im sorry you cant smoke here". I politely replied "I dont mean to argue, but its not smoke". He then asked me what it was and how it worked, and after a brief explanation he simply said "Ill take your word for it" and wandered off with a polite nod to boot

Now if we could only get the "health bodies" like the Cancer Council and the Heart Foundation, both sponsored in part by the government and unsurprisingly pharma companies who make patches and other NRT's to stop peddling their bs, Australia would be a better place. Oh and we have this one numpty named Simon Chapman, supposedly a professor at the Uni of NSW, who hates anything that looks like it might be smoke and likes the sound of his own imperious voice. Tool of the worst kind. Cant even have a conversation with the guy, he only posts on sites where he can maintain control of the conversation, in other words, remove any factual or other kind of dissenting view.

Note: I kinda miss the "Is that {Other stuff}" look from people. Im all about the freak value in most areas of my life, especially when out and about...i feel a bit robbed

 

[K_Tech]

That's fine, but we would ask you to remember that - whether you like it or not - when you're vaping in public, you're representing all of US to the non-vaping population. No one asked for it to be this way but that IS the way it is.

Nobody can do anything about what anyone else does but perhaps it will help to keep everyone remembering that vaping is under attack and we NEED public opinion to be in our favor if we're going to survive the onslaught from the big, moneyed, goliaths that would eliminate the vaping industry by any means possible.

I feel that I may have come off as a "blowin' clouds, brah" kind of vaper, I am not. I don't vape anywhere smoking is not allowed, and I like to stay under the radar in most circumstances.

Edited to add: My style is more Bob Ross than Liberace.

 

[justinred]

Smokers who "educate" me that vaping is worse than smoking because they read it somewhere. Nuff said.

 

[Heybilox]

Jimmy Buffett might have said it best;'We are those people our parents warned us about' !
Are we not judging those that judge?

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I wish there was more public advertising. Even if it was just success stories. The larger manufacturers and vendors could be very helpful if they pushed on the "net" and local newspapers and magazines. Also, getting supportive of local events. There is just a mass of BT advertising, but not vaping advertising.

I would jump on a local event like walking for tobacco harm reduction. Just seeing the vaping support.

 

[schatz]

I wish there was more public advertising. Even if it was just success stories. The larger manufacturers and vendors could be very helpful if they pushed on the "net" and local newspapers and magazines. Also, getting supportive of local events. There is just a mass of BT advertising, but not vaping advertising.

I would jump on a local event like walking for tobacco harm reduction. Just seeing the vaping support.

If youre in Tucson I would join ya, let me know.

 

[sofarsogood]

Everybody who doesn't smoke benefits from the taxes smokers pay. That money is going away. A backlash is inevitable. If no excise taxes were collected on tobacco everybody would rejoice over ecigs and the inventor would get the Nobel prize in medicine.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Am south of Sierra Vista. We are a smaller town, but I have spoken at a City Hall Council meeting and written opinion pieces to many papers, including Tucson, Arizona Republic, etc.

Actually, writing our success story as an opinion piece for the papers gets to a lot of people. The hardest part, for me, was keeping it short to meet the max word size.

Thanks, though.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Everybody who doesn't smoke benefits from the taxes smokers pay. That money is going away. A backlash is inevitable. If no excise taxes were collected on tobacco everybody would rejoice over ecigs and the inventor would get the Nobel prize in medicine.

Yes, there are taxes and it bites the profits of BT. It also costs in medical care out the wah-zoo. That is more taxes. Let vaping and Tobacco Harm Reduction in and reduce both.

 

[schatz]

Am south of Sierra Vista. We are a smaller town, but I have spoken at a City Hall Council meeting and written opinion pieces to many papers, including Tucson, Arizona Republic, etc.

Actually, writing our success story as an opinion piece for the papers gets to a lot of people. The hardest part, for me, was keeping it short to meet the max word size.

Thanks, though.

I would come down there for a walk, keep me informed. Wont go to Phoenix though, just saying. Keep up the good work.

 

[rico942]

Employers and human resources personnel are utilizing the web and social networks to get additional information on prospective employees.

And on current employees as well, in some cases ...

I learned this the hard way in the last couple of years before I retired, from a company that was downsizing after many years of gross mismanagement, nepotism, and corruption ...

Every few months, the HR department where I worked sent interns around to collect personal information, such as Facebook identities, Twitter accounts, and and cell phone numbers. You couldn't reason with them, they were just youngsters with specific marching orders, terrified to go back to their bosses empty handed ...

Telling them that I was not on Facebook or Twitter and did not carry a cell phone at work just didn't register. Their fear of failure quickly turned to anger and threats of retaliation for "withholding" information that in reality didn't exist ...

Eventually HR took me off the "collection list", and the annoying visits stopped ...

A few months later, I was tipped off that my name was on the next layoff list anyway, and voluntarily took early retirement instead. In one of many exit interviews, they again demanded a cell phone number ...

I gave them "555-1212" to get them past that line on the form, so I could get to the forms for my pension lump sum payout and severance pay ...

Vaping saved my life. And retirement saved my sanity ...

 

[JohnnyDill]

The root problem is Fakebook itself. It is nothing but a cesspool of political correctness. Glad I am not, nor will I ever be, one of Zuckerberg's products. My REAL friends know how to get ahold of me.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I wouldn't call that an example of what I'm talking about. I'm talking about stuff like this:

HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!!