Thought this might be easy...not so fast.

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LiquidElectron

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Let me preface: I have had major panic disorder/anxiety disorder since I was 19 (now 39). I also have snuck a peek at my 'file'...don't tell anyone. I saw Post Traumatic Stress...I would rather not tell that story...and Major Depressive Disorder. Yes, I'm on Social Security Disability at 39. No, I don't like it, I wish I were productive, but I'm not. I think that's how I fell into smoking at 20, it seems all of that together is something of a trap. It's funny, I never really thought about how many people at the mental health clinic I go to every month are standing outside smoking. Sorry about that tangent.

So what is it, almost 5 days ago, or 5 days ago, I can't even remember. I assembled my 'real' PV (it is just a couple eGo's, but I love 'em), and I have some (admittedly not great) 12mg juice...and some more on the way. I'm about flat broke for the next two weeks so this is what I'll have to work with. I smoked about 22-24 analogs a day and am starting at 12mg because after reading, I figured it would at the very least, keep the edge of withdrawal off, and at best, I would be able to vape a bit more than I was expecting to!

So these last 4 days were great! I felt fine, I mean...fine. I had no symptoms of anything, which was sort of odd, but I took it to mean I was doing a good job with my 12mg choice. I do notice that I stop vaping about 8pm, which is usually when I would stop the analogs, too. I don't really pick it up in the daytime until noon, either. I go through about 1ml a day so far...about 2ml one of those 4 days...I think the first day. Anyway, seems pretty mild to me. I don't know what the nicotine dosage from 1ml of 12mg would be, honestly, as far as it would be compared to 22 analogs. I'm guessing not really close. I don't chain vape, I hit it about four or five times every 45 minutes or so (I keep a notebook).

My plan is, when I have more spending money in second week of February, to buy some 6mg, and then in March to pick up some 3mg, and then in April possibly some 0mg...or stop entirely. I don't really know how that will pan out yet. That's just the plan.

Then, omg today happened. I got up at 9:30 this morning (which is normal, I have an infinitely flexible schedule as you may have guessed). But I realized today I've been wide awake longer and longer every night since switching to vaping. I'm going to toss out a guess, and say that it's analog-withdrawal insomnia.

About noon I grabbed the PV and choked and spluttered on it, ended up coughing up some goo. I didn't mind this so much, I chalked that up to my lungs being happy...(happier). Then holy crow, my left shoulder went into massive pain mode. Now, as an Anxiety and Panic Professional...I have long since learned that every little thing is not cancer, it is not a heart attack, it is not MS, and it is not an 'Event'. But this one was overpowering. After much pain and the rumblings of my now familiar panic attacks...I realized...hey...nothing is radiating, nothing else hurts. Oh wait, my neck is stiff. This is not deadly. (By the by, this pain did go away after about six hours of freak-out time.)

The problem with this episode is that I rarely have full-blown freak-out panic attacks anymore. This is weird, but only if I have to go to a doc, if I have to set foot in a hospital for any reason, or if I have to go to a Wal-mart/Target or a supermarket. Otherwise I can banish it with the power of the skills I have learned from my 20-years of therapy with the same person. He taught me well. So, I've been concerned. I am slowly developing a headache behind the eyes, which is a hallmark of my previous quit-analogs-cold turkey attempts. Am I not getting enough nic today, I ask myself. Am I getting too much today? Because I was hitting it like a fiend for a couple hours in the late afternoon. It's hard to tell.

I didn't believe in the quit-zits either, but this dime-sized one I just discovered on my chest is evidence. Holy crap, it's impressive. So between my stiff neck, my sore muscles, my weird pains, my eye-headache, and my anxiety going off abnormally, I can only assume that quitting analogs even with the help of vaping is going to be slightly harder than I thought. But still easier than the old ways.

Sorry about the rant, but it was a hard, difficult day. :unsure:
 

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12 mg per ml is very low for someone just quitting a 2 pad plus habit IMO. I smoked about the same and it took 36 mg juice to get me off the cigs without having severe withdrawal symptoms.

You may want to try at least some 18 mg per ml juice. Try not to worry too much about how much you are vaping. At least in the beginning. May be better off getting the vaping under control once you have the cigs and chemicals associated with them out of your system. :2c:

Good luck and hang in there :)
 

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I think I'll be alright with 12mg. I must have mistyped if I said 2 PAD, I was just slightly over 1, usually just 1.

I don't know what tripped my anxiety, honestly, but I'm supposed to share, it helps me calm down...I don't really have anyone around to rant/share at. :)

Sorry about that.

No need to be sorry at all. You will find that most members on this forum are great at supporting each other. BTW- Welcome to ECF.
 

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There are lots of issues I read about here when people stop smoking. Here is a thread that lists some of them.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-vaping/3305-list-symptoms-when-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html
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I am so sorry you had a bad day. Sometimes you just have to say, "It is what it is". That's pretty much how I look at different issues I have myself. Although you are experiencing some issues from going smoke-free, I imagine it would help more to think about all the benefits you have started experiencing and the ones still to come. I know it did not take long for me to notice my sense of smell coming back. Breathing better. A bit more than normal stamina. There are a bunch.

I personally did not notice my sleep pattern change with vaping. I couldn't sleep well when I smoked. Or was learning to walk probably. I have been thinking of trying a lower nic at night to see if that has any impact but I am a professional procrastinator so that is still in the early stages.

Good luck to you and I hope you continue to notice attacks not being as severe.
 

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FYI, this is how I know that the people that have written all of the 'nicotine withdrawal symptoms' lists online have never smoked in their life.

'People who have recently quit smoking usually experience an overall increase in anxiety. This effect usually occurs a week after quitting and slowly wanes within a month.' = No.
'If mild depression occurs, it will usually begin within the first 24 hours, continue in the first 1-2 weeks, and go away within a month.' = Nope.
'If sleep disturbance occurs, it will usually begin within the first 24 hours, remain strong for the first 1-2 weeks, and disappear within a month.' = Nada.
 

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    FYI, this is how I know that the people that have written all of the 'nicotine withdrawal symptoms' lists online have never smoked in their life.

    'People who have recently quit smoking usually experience an overall increase in anxiety. This effect usually occurs a week after quitting and slowly wanes within a month.' = No.
    'If mild depression occurs, it will usually begin within the first 24 hours, continue in the first 1-2 weeks, and go away within a month.' = Nope.
    'If sleep disturbance occurs, it will usually begin within the first 24 hours, remain strong for the first 1-2 weeks, and disappear within a month.' = Nada.

    Notice EACH thing you listed says "usually" meaning not always the case. These things happen to a lot of people. Happened to me...Just sayin'...
     
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