Alphabet Soup would be all the "non-profit" "health" organizations.
Things like ALA, ACS, CFTK, ALF and the like.
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Things like ALA, ACS, CFTK, ALF and the like.
Big Government has taken over everything and still growing. I wonder just how big it will get until people wake up. I was very interested to see the Libertarian take on the SOTU speech. It's posted on the Fb page...and really worth a watch.
What Facebook page?Big Government has taken over everything and still growing. I wonder just how big it will get until people wake up. I was very interested to see the Libertarian take on the SOTU speech. It's posted on the Fb page...and really worth a watch.
Big Government has taken over everything and still growing. I wonder just how big it will get until people wake up. I was very interested to see the Libertarian take on the SOTU speech. It's posted on the Fb page...and really worth a watch.
Also see Stossel's show - Fox Business channel, which will likely be repeated this weekend....
preview:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/21/what-wish-obama-had-said-in-his-state-union-address/
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I wish he were a little big more polished as a speaker.
I would gladly excuse that if it were only his thoughts and words that people were hearing.
But the sheep like shiny things that sparkle.
And he wasn't really too sparkly.
Regardless, this is the world we live in.
And we certainly need more of us to realize the need to change it.
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Why I'm more of an Objectivist than a Libertarian - although libertarian - free minds, free markets (Reason mags motto) fits most of it.
The main reason for me being one is because it will be the party of the future imho. BG will collapse upon itself,..that seems inevitable to me..and along with it..the likes of the FDA and IRS..Hopefully.
The main reason for me being one is because it will be the party of the future imho. BG will collapse upon itself,..that seems inevitable to me..and along with it..the likes of the FDA and IRS..Hopefully.
It took the Soviet Union 74 years (1917-1991) to 'collapse upon itself'. Hope you're a youngster
The FDA was not acting on a precautionary basis in the beginning.
In fact they didn't seem to care at all about electronic cigarettes at first.
It was actually the Alphabet Soup that got on the FDA to "do something" about this new scourge.
And it is likely Big Pharma funding and urging the Alphabet Soup that seems to have started this war.
I can dig up some old-timey information on how this all went down if you want.
Or you can just believe me and save me some time and effort.
But trust me, the Alphabet Soup started this.
And that probably means Big Pharma really started this.
Congressional report urges FDA to regulate e-cigarette marketing - CBS News
The FDA and Electronic Cigarettes, a Timeline Part 1
As you can see it wasn't Big Pharma but the president signing a new bill into law back in 2009 that gave the FDA authority over anything classified as tobacco products under the then new Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act . But the FDA investigation yet beyond the authority they were given to intiially try to totally ban ecigs from coming into the country as unfortunately Mexico has as of late! Mexico Bans Electronic Cigarettes and Targets Illegal Imports - ChurnMag
Ever since the FDA was halted from detaining imports by a Federal court ruling Big Pharma as well as the non smoking advocates and other Feat mongers have been trying to see ecigs stamped out for favor of the Big Pharma corporate mind set as far as continuing to sell the things that don't work! Mexico seems to be becoming more like a dictatorship to the south of the border there however with that latest bit of bad news!
As you can see it wasn't Big Pharma but the president signing a new bill into law back in 2009 that gave the FDA authority over anything classified as tobacco products under the then new Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act . But the FDA investigation yet beyond the authority they were given to intiially try to totally ban ecigs from coming into the country as unfortunately Mexico has as of late! Mexico Bans Electronic Cigarettes and Targets Illegal Imports - ChurnMag
Ever since the FDA was halted from detaining imports by a Federal court ruling Big Pharma as well as the non smoking advocates and other Feat mongers have been trying to see ecigs stamped out for favor of the Big Pharma corporate mind set as far as continuing to sell the things that don't work! Mexico seems to be becoming more like a dictatorship to the south of the border there however with that latest bit of bad news!
Pretty sure it was this type of stuff to what DC2 was referring:
But when you turn to some of the folks who
have written on this issue--whether it is Brad Rodu, whether it is
Patrick Basham, whether it is Michael Siegel, in the public health
department at Boston University--I guess the only answer is, it is
politics over science, that for 10 years people have said we have to
put this in the FDA, that Matt Meyers, head of Campaign for Tobacco-
Free Kids, is the most powerful "U.S. Senator" because he is getting
his wish, he is getting exactly what he has been trying to do for
decades. He is not a science expert. If he was, he would be voting for
the substitute, if he were here.
He wrote the bill. I am surprised he did not catch the mistake of
February 2007. Nobody caught that. But the truth is, the bill has not
changed much in 10 years, though the world has changed a lot. The
science has changed a lot. Health care has changed a lot.
[Congressional Record Volume 155, Number 85 (Tuesday, June 9, 2009)]
[Senate]
This is Sen. Burr citing references from Patrick Basham of the Cato Center for Responsible Government, Dr. Michael Siegel - Boston University, and Brad Rodu (also a Cato contributor, btw)
Congressional Record, Volume 155 Issue 85 (Tuesday, June 9, 2009)
This, Tobacco Free Kids, is part of the 'non-profit' Alphabet Soup to which DC2 references and they had much input (wrote it) into the Waxman/Kennedy bill which eventually became the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
I would have a difficult time believing that ANTZ had altruistic objectives.
From what I have seen, it may just be a subversive way of controlling the collective conversation from both sides by a single entity.
Also, since adverting has been banned, what better way to receive publicity. A bunch of people carrying placards of anti-Marlboro and Salem logos fulfil the same objective
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It took the Soviet Union 74 years (1917-1991) to 'collapse upon itself'. Hope you're a youngster
Yes but that was Socialists..The US is still a free market system. When large companies and small businesses can no longer afford to do business here the workforce will not have a place to get a check from to even pay all these proposed taxes. There will no longer be a middle class..sux but it is what it is.
Hard times a coming I think..unless folks stick together..Just like with this regulation thing..I don't think they thought they would have a fight on their hands.
We're a 'mixed economy' and have been for since the progressive era. And the mix is more fascistic than socialist (although there are those aspects as well) but gov't 'regulates' industry (controls rather than owns - although ownership = control) so it's more fascistic (without the ethnic aspect) than anything else. Certainly not 'free' in any real definition of the word as it relates to markets.
The systems that have no middle class are socialist and communist. The masses and the apparatchiks/leaders. Nothing in between. The Bolsheviks hated the middle class and their businesses. It's why "bourgeoisie" is said with a sneer and a laugh in those countries. The idea that more gov't helps the middle class and the free market eliminates it, is propaganda and a lie.
You're right about sticking together...
There's no doubt about that at all. As the popularity of ecigs continues to grow it threatens the shelf lives of what both Big T and Big Pharma put out there! For Big T knowing their time is limited as more and more turn away from tobacco monopoly on the ecig market is their aim! For Big Pharma the obvoius would be liked but can't be seen is the total extinction of vaping once and for all. But their only ploy is trying to keep the numbers of people who turn away from their crap to vaping down with as much promotion of BS rumors as possible. The politicians are the go between they try to keep in their loop.
In other news!
CBS just had a nasty report on their web site I countered with some actual research articles! "E-cigarette vapor filled with cancer-causing chemicals, researchers say" http://www.cbsnews.com/.../e-cigarette-vapor-filled-with.../
The actual research shows a totally different line of actual scientific facts not Fear mongering false propaganda. "A fresh look at tobacco harm reduction: the case for the electronic cigarette" HRJ | Full text | A fresh look at tobacco harm reduction: the case for the electronic cigarette
"CALL FROM DOCTORS, HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND SCIENTISTS IN SUPPORT OF ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES. As physicians and health professionals we see everyday patients who are severely affected by tobacco smoking, many of whom will eventually die or have their health severely affected despite our help and advice. Tobacco smoking remains the most serious public health issue in the world." https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/
"Another alarmist and deeply misleading story about formaldehyde and e-cigarettes is about to break. I hope that health reporters are wising-up to this sort of scientific voodoo. I have just written to the corresponding authors, and I would like to share my open letter. I will link to their letter in the New England Journal of Medicine once the embargo has passed and the letter is published."
http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2706#comment-50427
Effect of Smoking Abstinence and Reduction in Asthmatic Smokers Switching to Electronic Cigarettes: Evidence for Harm Reversal
IJERPH | Free Full-Text | Effect of Smoking Abstinence and Reduction in Asthmatic Smokers Switching to Electronic Cigarettes: Evidence for Harm Reversal
Nothing like hitting them right between the eyes!
CBS just had a nasty report on their web site I countered with some actual research articles! "E-cigarette vapor filled with cancer-causing chemicals, researchers say" http://www.cbsnews.com/.../e-cigarette-vapor-filled-with.../
The actual research shows a totally different line of actual scientific facts not Fear mongering false propaganda. "A fresh look at tobacco harm reduction: the case for the electronic cigarette" HRJ | Full text | A fresh look at tobacco harm reduction: the case for the electronic cigarette
"CALL FROM DOCTORS, HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND SCIENTISTS IN SUPPORT OF ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES. As physicians and health professionals we see everyday patients who are severely affected by tobacco smoking, many of whom will eventually die or have their health severely affected despite our help and advice. Tobacco smoking remains the most serious public health issue in the world." https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/
"Another alarmist and deeply misleading story about formaldehyde and e-cigarettes is about to break. I hope that health reporters are wising-up to this sort of scientific voodoo. I have just written to the corresponding authors, and I would like to share my open letter. I will link to their letter in the New England Journal of Medicine once the embargo has passed and the letter is published."
http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2706#comment-50427
Effect of Smoking Abstinence and Reduction in Asthmatic Smokers Switching to Electronic Cigarettes: Evidence for Harm Reversal
IJERPH | Free Full-Text | Effect of Smoking Abstinence and Reduction in Asthmatic Smokers Switching to Electronic Cigarettes: Evidence for Harm Reversal
Nothing like hitting them right between the eyes!
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