Tobacco Flavors in the U.S.

[Scubabatdan]

Hey everyone,
While looking for tobacco flavors I ran accross a site called seedman.com, they carry a line of tobacco top notes. Flavoring you add to dry tobacco to give it flavor. So I finally got around to calling them and they told me the base of the flavors was PG. Ok so what about using it in ejuice for electronic ciggies? Well the rep told me they sell it by the gallon to companies that produce ejuice. But that is not what it is intended for. I asked what the top flavors that were sold to these companie, and he said top seller was commercial tobacco because it taste like malboro ciggies. Hmmmm why not, so I ordered 6 different flavors.

Commercial
Captin Black
English
Vanilla
Mango
Honey

They came in last week and I have been testing them out since.
The commercial taste like malboro, captin black has a darker richer taste, english has a spicy flavor, vanilla and mango have subtle flavor, but I was suprised that I REALLY liked the honey. Each of these were 5.00 for 2 oz. I used .5ml per 9.5ml of ejuice. I boosted the vanilla with the cappelas vanilla (5 drops) from happy vapor. Wonderful! And boosted the mango with 5 drops of Lorann mango flavoring.

I am posting this as I have searched this entire site for seedman.com and only found people discussing growing tobacco plants. I am extremely happy with these flavors and no ill effect after a week. So I am posting my find. I did not try the other top note flavors they have such as menthol etc.. but I am sure they are good.

If you scroll halfway down the page here: Tobacco Flavorings for Home Grown Tobacco
You will find the top note flavors, they are:

TOB704 "LIGHT BRAND" FLAVORING
TOB505 MENTHOL FLAVOR
TOB506 COMMERCIAL CIGARETTE
TOB507 CAPTAIN BLACK TYPE
TOB508 ENGLISH TOBACCO FLAVOR
TOB511 RUM
TOB512 HONEY
TOB513 MANGO
TOB515 BLACK LICORICE
TOB516 CHERRY
TOB517 APPLE

Well that is my review and information I have found, I know people have been looking for tobacco flavoring so this is what I have found, I hope it helps someone.

Enjoy
Dan

 

[Generic]

Outstanding!

Order placed and no VAT!

You are an asset to this community- many thanks!


-Generic

 

[bhima]

Could you give us a more specific breakdown? Say for a tobacco flavored e-liquid... you used .5ml of the seedman stuff, and the 9.5ml was what? Was it pure PG? was it mostly PG some VG? Did you add nicotine to it? Thanks for your find!

 

[Scubabatdan]

Could you give us a more specific breakdown? Say for a tobacco flavored e-liquid... you used .5ml of the seedman stuff, and the 9.5ml was what? Was it pure PG? was it mostly PG some VG? Did you add nicotine to it? Thanks for your find!

I used .5ml of the seedman flavor to 9.5ml of 12mg nic juice that was comprised of 20% VG and 80% PG nic juice.

The label states:
Contains natural and aromatic flavoring, glycolene, and distilled water.

LOL and no VAT!

That help?
Dan

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

So those flavorings are not just additives to tobacco, but (at least some of them) taste like tobacco itself? That is, TOB506 COMMERCIAL CIGARETTE + nicotine PG and/or VG (without any Tobacco Absolute) tastes (at least somewhat) like Marlboro e-liquid?

That's quite something! My feeble attempts to create a tobacco-flavored juice (using Tobacco Absolute) have been dismal failures.

Thanks!

 

[Scubabatdan]

So those flavorings are not just additives to tobacco, but (at least some of them) taste like tobacco itself? That is, TOB506 COMMERCIAL CIGARETTE + nicotine PG and/or VG (without any Tobacco Absolute) tastes (at least somewhat) like Marlboro e-liquid?

That's quite something! My feeble attempts to create a tobacco-flavored juice (using Tobacco Absolute) have been dismal failures.

Thanks!

Yes! no tobbaco absolute needed, The honey is awesome IMO!
The are top note flavors that are added to the dry tobacco to give its unique flavor.
Correct TOB506 COMMERCIAL CIGARETTE + nicotine PG and/or VG = a malboro flavor IMO. I have had two others try my sample and they wanted more.
Of course I dont use as much flavoring as others as my tastebuds returned and I can get by with 5% flavoring.
Hope this helps,
Dan

 

[Casey C]

The label states:
Contains natural and aromatic flavoring, glycolene, and distilled water.
Dan

hopefully that's a typo, because..

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Product: [/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]GLYCOLENE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]EPA Registration Number: [/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]00383700001[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide is used as a:[/FONT]

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]
  [*]DISINFECTANT[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide is registered for unrestricted use.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide's toxicity code is 3, which corresponds to a toxicity category of Caution.

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial] Active Ingredients in this Product[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial] Percentage by Mass[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]30%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]12.3%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]ALKYL(C12-16)DIMETHYLBENZYLAMMONIUM CHLORIDE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial].2%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]1-DECANAMINIUM, N,N-DIMETHYL-N-OCTYL-, CHLORIDE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial].2%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]1-OCTANAMINIUM, N,N-DIMETHYL-N-OCTYL-, CHLORIDE[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[BigKen]

hopefully that's a typo, because..

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Product: [/FONT][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]GLYCOLENE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]EPA Registration Number: [/FONT][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]00383700001[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide is used as a:[/FONT]

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]
  [*]DISINFECTANT[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide is registered for unrestricted use.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide's toxicity code is 3, which corresponds to a toxicity category of Caution.[/FONT]

[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Active Ingredients in this Product[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Percentage by Mass[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]30%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]12.3%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]ALKYL(C12-16)DIMETHYLBENZYLAMMONIUM CHLORIDE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial].2%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]1-DECANAMINIUM, N,N-DIMETHYL-N-OCTYL-, CHLORIDE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial].2%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]1-OCTANAMINIUM, N,N-DIMETHYL-N-OCTYL-, CHLORIDE[/FONT][/FONT]

OOPS! That don't sound good!

 

[DanF]

Well, I was very curious, now it doesnt sound so good.....

 

[Scubabatdan]

hopefully that's a typo, because..

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Product: [/FONT][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]GLYCOLENE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]EPA Registration Number: [/FONT][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]00383700001[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide is used as a:[/FONT]

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]
  [*]DISINFECTANT[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide is registered for unrestricted use.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]This pesticide's toxicity code is 3, which corresponds to a toxicity category of Caution.[/FONT]

[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial][FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Active Ingredients in this Product[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]Percentage by Mass[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]30%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]12.3%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]ALKYL(C12-16)DIMETHYLBENZYLAMMONIUM CHLORIDE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial].2%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]1-DECANAMINIUM, N,N-DIMETHYL-N-OCTYL-, CHLORIDE[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial].2%[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, helvetica, Arial]1-OCTANAMINIUM, N,N-DIMETHYL-N-OCTYL-, CHLORIDE[/FONT][/FONT]

Always one....

After Glycolene I was lazy and did not type out what was after it, and that was (humectant/preservitive)
AKA Propolene Glycol (PG) a sweet colorless, viscous, hygroscopic liquid used as an antifreeze and in brake fluid and also as a humectant in cosmetics and personal care items although it can be absorbed through the skin with harmful effects.

I specifically asked what the base of this was before ordering, and rep told me propolene glycol (PG). This is used by many others for ejuice. Call the company if you have questions.
1-800-336-2064

Added:
BTW if you check the site your quoting from:
It shows Glycolene as being canceled
Product Registration Status: Cancelled
Approval Date: Apr 10, 1952
Cancellation Date: Sep 30, 1991
Cancel/Transfer Reason: Maint. fee non-payme

Cancel Date

If the pesticide is no longer registered for use in the U.S., a cancellation date will appear in this field, showing when the registration for the pesticide product was cancelled. If the registration is currently active, 00/00/00 will appear in this field.

A product with a cancelled registration is no longer legally available for sale in the U.S. There are several possible reasons a product registration might be cancelled.


Dan

 

[sandyk]

So Dan, can we mix this stuff up with just PG/VG, no nicotine juice at all??

I did write the company and asked about the Glycolene. We shall see what they say.

Good find, Dan......thank you!!

 

[Scubabatdan]

So Dan, can we mix this stuff up with just PG/VG, no nicotine juice at all??

I did write the company and asked about the Glycolene. We shall see what they say.

Good find, Dan......thank you!!

Yes you can use it with VG/PG no nic no problems, and their phone number is: 1-800-336-2064 if you want to call it is toll free.

I think it is a mistake by the company on labeling, as the rep I talked to said the base was propolene glycol. As Glycolene has not been around since 1991. And can not be legally sold in the U.S.

Dan

 

[Casey C]

haha, always one huh, yeah I'm that pesky one person who cares what they inhale... I did say I hoped it was a typo..

of course what does it say about the company if they get their ingredients list wrong

 

[sstambo]

Wow!!! This is really cool! I wanna try it. Marlboro is my fav vape.Dan will u help a newbie if she needs it? When using your calculator will the flavor ratio be the same? I am going to the craft store to see if I can find stuff I need to diy this juice. Is there a beginner DIY-Juice thread that can help me get started? I looked but it is kind of confusing. Info seems scattered.
Thank you

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ok I just called the company again, and the rep said this was NOT pesticide, but natual USP glycolene, I ased if it was propolene glycol, and he said no it was natual glycolene it was 2 molicules different than PG, and that they were switching to PG in a few months because it cost more than PG. He also said they have recieved many calls asking about glycolene and he has told many people that this is in no way harmful and is not a pesticide, and you probably wont find any information on it because it is only used by the food industry.

BTW when searching for natural glycolene guess what I found....
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/5707-tobacco-flavorings-enhancers.html
Yep a whole thread on this subject in the tips and tricks area. And others have used this also. I have more reading to do.
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Wow!!! This is really cool! I wanna try it. Marlboro is my fav vape.Dan will u help a newbie if she needs it? When using your calculator will the flavor ratio be the same? I am going to the craft store to see if I can find stuff I need to diy this juice. Is there a beginner DIY-Juice thread that can help me get started? I looked but it is kind of confusing. Info seems scattered.

Thank you

No problem here to help, just PM me with your questions
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

From post 51 for this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...obacco-flavorings-enhancers-6.html#post105209

I also see that glycolene is used in the commercial eliquid ingredients that I was able to find from our suppliers....so I wouldn't worry about it either.
Lu

Still reading....
Dan

ADDED:
Well looks like this thread also had two sides of the fence, those that tried it and liked it and those that suggested that they should not. I suppose you should read and draw your own conclusion. I personally have tried them for a week and like the different tobacco flavor without any ill effect. I suppose this will be a mute point when seedman.com switches to PG over natural glycolene. Until then I will continue to use it as is. But to reiterate the glycolene they are using is NOT pesticide.
Dan

 

[supertrkre2812]

I am glad that you found this source in the US.
I was contemplating a china supplier.
I have absolutely fallen in love with wet your stick's cuba cigar, and am trying to figure out how to mix it myself, do you have any ideas?
I am also considering trying to find it in bulk from china.
Man i hate doing business with china. But sometimes you can't help it.

 

[ez2dealwit]

How much nic is in the product? If there is nic in this product, will you make a calculator for it?

Disregard. I read the first post again.

 

[ez2dealwit]

Does anyone know if you can get flavorings such as these from a local smoke shop?