Tobacco Flavors in the U.S.

[Fernand]

Champs, what would you say your 5% Commercial tastes like?

I wonder if when Dan says Marlboro he means the cigs or the Dekang ?

 

[champions]

Not sure it tastes like a Marlboro. I would say it tastes like a burning cigarette smells if that makes any sense.

 

[Fernand]

But not like the Chinese Dekang company juice they call Marboro or Marbro? You know, like the factory cart flavor with the fruity-peanutty taste, kind of like a freshly opened pack of cigs?
That's rather what I'm after.

 

[champions]

No not really. All those prefilled's taste slightly sweet to me. This is really just like how an ashtray smells. Not really sure why that appeals to me, but......

 

[metalrain]

Just received my order from seedmans...commercial/cognac/english. Tried the englsih so far at 5 percent....its good...little on the sweet side, but it does seem to leave a cigar taste in your mouth...kinda cool....Theres plenty of flavor for sure. I tried the "enhancers" about a year ago and did nothing for me....forgot about them till i found this thread again and decided to try the concentrate. I'll try the commercial and cognac later....so far, the english is good by itself.

metalrain

 

[champions]

Going back to the lab tomorrow (maniacal laugh). Gonna try to make menthol, honey and english. I'll post the results. So far I'm really happy with Seedmans!

 

[champions]

English - nasty taste. Can't quite describe it. Sort of bitter, sickeningly sweet at the same time. I only made it at 4%. I can see it maybe mixed with a bit of the commercial tho....maybe

The honey is ok. Tastes like honey (kind of). Again, needs something.

Menthol - I don't smoke menthol so when I get feedback I'll post it.

I can see how these could be used in a mix, but I don't think Seedman's is for me. Commercial was decent, but there are a lot of flavors out there that are way better in my opinion.

 

[Dee74]

English - nasty taste. Can't quite describe it. Sort of bitter, sickeningly sweet at the same time. I only made it at 4%. I can see it maybe mixed with a bit of the commercial tho....maybe

The honey is ok. Tastes like honey (kind of). Again, needs something.

Menthol - I don't smoke menthol so when I get feedback I'll post it.

I can see how these could be used in a mix, but I don't think Seedman's is for me. Commercial was decent, but there are a lot of flavors out there that are way better in my opinion.

That is a bummer to hear, I just received about 6 of the flavors to try so will see. I guess I will start at 4%.

 

[markfm]

I've been really happy with Seedman -- I use commercial at 15% with 4 drops TA per 10 ml for a "want a smoke" taste. Cut the tA in 1/2, add some hazelnut or caramel for a much mellower taste. The English mixes with apple, other things, as a sweet spice. Menthol mixes well, add just a tad of crystals to pick it up.

(Yes, I like high flavor mixes )

 

[champions]

Maybe I'll try mixing them and see what happens. Like I said in the previous posts I really liked the commercial and mango, so ....

 

[NCC]

The site states that 2 ounces (about 60ml) treats one pound of tobacco. That doesn't seem very concentrated to me. Or am I confused?

 

[Fernand]

60 ml of the mix for a pound of tobacco, but that's using 15 ml of the concentrate with 1.5 ounces of water. So the concentrate is 4 times stronger.

After smelling them, I have been reluctant to even try them, as it's very cheap-perfumy stuff, a lot like an air freshener. When you spray it on tobacco, a lot of it ends up being burned. But when i see people are putting 15% and more in their vape, and they directly inhale it, it makes me queasy. I can't imagine it being a health booster. The usual juice flavorings we use are at least known to be safe to eat. I wonder what makes Seedman's think these scents are OK to be inhaled in tobacco smoke. Is it that it's all from little Schillings bottles? Or is it that traditional tobacco goops are known to not strip paint or kill pets? Is it that they mix them from natural organic plant extracts (you know, like hemlock)? or is it that everybody figures smoking tobacco is so unhealthy, that it's like worrying about the toxicity of the lead in a .45 caliber slug to the head ;-) ?

I wonder if their volume enhancer, that they recommend for weak tasting tobacco isn't a tobacco flavor, as opposed to a flavoring for tobacco? I can't tell from previous posts.

 

[Fernand]

Ok I tried 0.030 ml of the Commercial Cigarette Top Note concentrate in 0.5 ml of 40 mg/ml 60/40 pg/vg base. That's 6%. It strikes me as not much taste for a good bit of harshness. Throat hit 11 flavor 1. ;-) No question one could use this as part of a mix, but when there are nice and smooth ones that are food-certified, like the FA "tobacco flavors", and since TA tends to be used for the true tobacco part anyway, I don't think it's for me. I'll try the honey later.

 

[Fernand]

My favorite tobacco flavor chain-vape recipe these days. Distilled from collective wisdom here.
I've decided to reset my flavorstat, and go for more subtle & safer, not sledgehammer. In the process I rediscovered how subtle and clever the FlavourArts "tobacco" flavors are. The drops from my 6 ml FlavourArt dropper-bottles are around 25 Microliters, not 50.

For 5 ml of 66/33 PG/VG at 20-40 mg/ml nicotine (I like 40)
1 drop (25 microliters) Cuban supreme from FlavourArt = 0.5%
2 drops Desert Ship FlavourArt = 1%
1 drop Vape Wizard FlavourArt = 0.5%
5 microliters Tobacco Absolute (the 50% diluted variety) from PerfumersApprentice = 0.1%
1 drop menthol in PG concentrate = 0.5%

This resembles some of the commercial "Mboro" type cartridge fills, but not as sticky sweet and more "open". If you like even less sweet, up the Cuban and drop DesertShip to 1 drop. Other FA "tobacco" flavorings work well too in the DesertShip slot or in addition. For a more genuinely tobacco taste, use only the Cuban and TA, like 3-4 drops Cuban and 10 microliters TA, but start at 5, it's powerful stuff, and too much tastes like tarry bitter hay. For less sweetness and more throat hit, use a higher PG/VG ratio.

The menthol is barely noticeable, not like a menthol cig. It just mellows the mix. If you once liked a menthol smoke, try to double then triple the menthol. To make a menthol flavoring concentrate, fill a glass dropper bottle with roughly crushed (not pulverized) menthol crystals. Add PG to fill. Shake under hot tap water and/or let stand overnight.

To measure the TA you can use an insulin syringe with 32 gauge needle. Very gently pull up a trace amount from the TA bottle. Very very gently push out droplets. Each tiny droplet on mine is about 2.5 microliters, so 5 microliters is 2 droplets. You can push the remainder back into the bottle if the syringe was clean. Another method is to pre-dilute the TA 10 to 1 in Alcohol in a little glass dropper bottle, and then you would use 2 drops. Scubabatdan adds Ethyl Maltol to his pre-diluted TA, I've ordered some, it's coming.

This is a good framework for subtle tobacco types. Just trying the various FA "tobacco" flavors in different proportions offers a lot of options. Tonight I went Cuban and CamT, and now I know CamT is not my fave, a bit "dry, bitter herbal". Cuban by itself is lovely but very light. The TA is always important for the tobacco leaf note, menthol for smoothness, VapeWizard for roundness, Cuban for subtle tobacco richness.

 

[48lowes]

I see that Dan is still hanging in here on this thread, I appreciate it. I find I have a question on one of your recipes in your ejuice calculator v13. I'm hoping the attachment will eliminate all questions about my questions.
thnx

 

[Fernand]

I just got some more of the FlavourArt "tobacco" flavors, and an interesting find is that their MaxB has a lot of the better aromatic side of the Seedman Commercial Cigarette and Captain Black Top Notes. At least the FlavourArt stuff is certified food-safe, and it works at 1% or less, you don't have to drown in Heaven knows what. Their Dark Vapure is incredible as a strong and lasting not sweet brown tobacco note with chocolatey tones. I think I'm going to get most of them. Using some TA and any two of the FA "tobacco" flavors at 1% each, it's like a tobacco candy shop of variety.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I see that Dan is still hanging in here on this thread, I appreciate it. I find I have a question on one of your recipes in your ejuice calculator v13. I'm hoping the attachment will eliminate all questions about my questions.
thnx

In answer to your Q:
The 9ml is the total of nic juice + PG/VG mixed together + the flavoring to = the desired nic mg. Remember this is just the recipe card for the flavor. It will calculate the amount of each flavor based on the total quantity to be made.
Hope this helps.
Dan

 

[Fernand]

I'm probably rediscovering well-known territory. Groundhog day. But maybe I'm not the only one. The building blocks of a tobaccoey vape. Starting with the smidge of Tobacco Absolute, the smudge of menthol. What I'm so happy discovering is the wide range of tasty composites that can be made by combining Flavourart's "tobacco" drops with the starters. I put quotes around it, for obvious reasons, but, we know each other, maybe I'll skip 'em from now on.

Anyway my topic du jour was sweetening. I was doing some trials and had written them up, including use of PA honey flavor, which mellows out sharp peaks. At 0.1% it's useful, but I wrote down 1% by mistake. When I took a fruity mix with lots of flavor and added 1% honey flavor, everything vanished. Hilarious. The only thing left was a a dull sweetness. Good thing it was a small sample.

 

[Quitter]

Just bumping and old thread.....

I really like the taste of the juice they use in pre-filled cartos with "tobacco" flavor. I bought a 50ml, 24mg bottle of Virginia from MadVapes (awesome pricing by the way!!) but really don't like it and its nowhwere close to the pre-filled tobacco taste.

E-CigExpress has a bunch of FlavorArt tobacco flavor concentrates. Anybody know if any of these are what I'm looking for?

Any help would be appreciated!

 

[Dee74]

Yes, they are the ones. They now also have Hangsen Essence a china base like dekangs stuff you might like as well. Papa just mentioned them in another thread and I ordered some. I have many of the FA and like them just fine.