Tobacco Prohibition and a Law of Physics

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Well reasoned, well written, Kristin.

BTW, I believe I heard somewhere the the FDA decision to ban menthol in cigarettes is coming fairly soon, the closest thing to prohibition ever tried in this country. Against all reason and experience, it's my intuition that if they go ahead with this one, the public outcry will blow them out of the water--not mainly from smokers (who historically do not challenge tobacco control moves seriously), but from the larger population who will see this as overreaching of the worst kind.
 

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Outstanding article Kristin. Thank you so much for your compelling and well reasoned synopsis of the "bigger picture" to smoking in general and highlighting what so many who are so quick to judge, invariably seem to overlook or ignore. This is definitely a keeper and should be sent out to every politician who is involved in any political process at whatever level that is considering banning e-cigarettes.
 
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Kristen - I really loved your article, I wonder if people who need to see it will see it. Maybe you could send it to the newspaper to get published as a letter to the editor. I did leave a comment on it - aimed at the non-vaping crowd - I'll post it below:

Very well reasoned and makes an important point. Is there anything to gain by blocking people from low risk products that help them quit smoking?

I have been sober for 35 years, I have quit cigarettes a few times (cold turkey) in the past. When stress builds high enough for me, I'd go back to smoking because it was a far better choice for me than the alternative.

I am not smoking now, and it has been painless for me, because of the alternative of e-cigarettes. I really don't think I had it in me to try and quit cold turkey again - at least not at this time. But this subsitute really worked for me and I easily was able to stop smoking - again. I have tried at other time to use alternative ways to help aid quitting: nic gum, patches, medication, hypnosis, and acupunture and they were not effective for me. The only way in the past that worked was for me to muster all my energy towards quitting and truely suffer - for months - as I fought to stay away from cigarettes. I was successful, sometimes, but for me it was not the kind of endevor I undertook lightly. One time I gained 80 pounds and it took over a year to loose it - but it wasn't the first year because that year was the year I was still fighting to stay away from cigarettes.

I was not mildly addicted to drugs and alcohol and it was tough to get past that but I can say that in my experience, smoking has been much harder to quit.
 

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Very thoughtful questions and comments, Kristen. My concern is when they do outlaw tobacco, what's going to happen to that 20% of the population? We're basically going to have a bunch of people running around 'jonesing', that won't be pretty... I can already hear the opposition,"they can take pills or use patches, etc.". Their assumption is those options will work for everyone, when we already know better. Also take into account if people are too poor for those options. Insurance may not cover those things and it may still be an unaffordable option.

I was reading up a bit as a comparison about the prohibition of alcohol. The percentage of alcohol usage actually went up during prohibition and stayed that way for decades, according to that source.

Also, they would now be taking a percentage of the population that up to this point has been a group of law abiding citizens and putting them in a situation where they could possibly become criminals. This really saddens me and is a seriously poor reflection on our society. Not sure to what depth they've actually looked and seen the short and long term effects of opening that can of worms would be.
 

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Tobacco will not be outlawed, only the use restricted to a small sealed room in the middle of nowhere so that "the poor children" won't see it being used. The really sad part is, those who do still smoke or use tobacco will go along with that regulation of where they can use tobacco or smoke as well. Users of all forms of tobacco have been so beaten down over the past 30 years that even though they and we voice our outrage over the restrictions, we still abide by them. The non-smokers or non-tobacco users of our society treat us as lepers, low-lifes, the scum of the earth and whether we want to admit it or not, it does have an effect on us.

When they began banning smoking in public places, we all griped and grumbled but went along with the bans. Many of us attempted to stop smoking at that time too but found we couldn't. We resigned ourselves to early deaths caused by health problems associated with smoking and continued to smoke. Now we find out that there has been proof out there for 30 years that smokeless tobacco is far safer to use and yet that information was kept from us as we were told that all forms of tobacco were just as bad as smoking.

Of course just as the news started leaking out about how smokeless tobacco was safer to use than smoking, suddenly the bans are no longer just about smoke but have now become bans on tobacco use of any kind in public. There are now businesses that refuse to hire people if they test positive for nicotine use. Denying someone employment for using something that is legal to use and basically telling you what you can and cannot do when you are in your own home and off the clock.
 

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Good points, CG and that was exactly where I was leading with the article. People smoke for a REASON. Many just have addictive personalities - I'm one of them. Both alcoholism, drug abuse and eating disorders (over-eating) run in my family. so does depression. I often wonder how many smokers would be using a much worse drug if they weren't using nicotine/tobacco.

The irony of "take pills or patches" is that those products aren't approved for long-term use (although about 40% of smokers who use gum/lozenges don't wean off of them, they SWITCH to them.) The pharmaceutical companies recent petitioned the FDA to allow them to market their products as a long-term alternative to tobacco. This came shortly on the heels of pharma companies writing a statement to the FDA encouraging it to remove tobacco lozenges OFF of the market. Seriously, the Nicorette mini and the tobacco Orbs (lozenges) are nearly identical!

Prohibition is a good comparision. I was speaking with Bill Godshall yesterday and he mentioned he was reading a book about Prohibition in the U.S. It started out as the Temperence Movement - which is about REDUCTION not prohibition. He said the movement reduced alcohol consumption by 85%! Then the prohibitionists snuck in and took over and said 85% wasn't good enough. Next thing we know we have the biggest crime wave the U.S. has ever seen!

In sweden, where snus use is accepted, they have the lowest smoking rates in the EU. It's slightly higher in women because they haven't embraced oral tobacco as much and I suspect it's because women don't feel it's very feminine to have a lump in their cheek. But imagine if tobacco companies were allowed to tell the truth about their lozenges and strips being 99% safer than smoking - most women would be more comfortable with the more delicate products and may use those along with e-cigarettes. smoking rates for men in the U.S. used to be nearly 60% and now we are down to 20%. By embracing harm reduction products and telling the truth about them, that could probably be cut in half!

But by insisting on demonizing even smokeless options, many smokers who cannot or will not quit simply think they may as well keep smoking because there are no safer options. They think the choice is "quit or die." Since life without smoking/nicotine is completely miserable for them, they figure they may as well enjoy their short life while they can - never knowing that there are better options that don't require them to have to suffer.

Moonrose is right, though - they will never outlaw tobacco. Even the antis make too much money off of it. They just want to profit while making tobacco users as miserable as possible! lol But if people find out the truth about smokeless options, they have no reason to keep smoking and no need for expensive smoking cessation products. Yep - follow the money.

My article is more about the diehard prohibitionists who think that the means justify the end and don't seem to have looked beyond achieving their goal of prohibition. Their objection to reduced harm smokeless options is based on then premise that prohibition and abstinence is the ultimate goal. Complete abstinence from all drugs is never going to happen, so they need to change that goal. Take away nicotine/tobacco/smoking and people WILL seek out alternate drugs for relief. The question is will those available options be better or worse? Of course, in their minds nothing is worse than smoking. But how many people picked up a cigarette, found it did the trick so never picked up a crack pipe?
 
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A day in the life of an anti:

6:30 AM Two cups of coffee to get started, diet pill before breakfast

11:30PM Diet pill before lunch, Mountain Dew to get through the afternoon

5:00PM Diet pill before dinner, 2 glasses of wine to unwind

10:00PM Pop a ...... before making love to the wife

10:04PM Take a Lumera to fall asleep

Oh yeah....
8AM - 4PM Try to ban all non-pharma nicotine products because smokers shouldn't need a crutch. Call smokers weak-willed and pathetic. Comment on articles that anyone defending nicotine use is either an industry shill or just an addict defending their addiction. Push legislators to ban anything tobacco related because smokers are evil and only care about themselves. Protect the children! Insist that nicotine is poison and can't help people and people should "just quit" using FDA-approved drugs instead.
 
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A day in the life of an anti:

6:30 AM Two cups of coffee to get started, diet pill before breakfast

11:30PM Diet pill before lunch, Mountain Dew to get through the afternoon

5:00PM Diet pill before dinner, 2 glasses of wine to unwind

10:00PM Pop a ...... before making love to the wife

10:04PM Take a Lumera to fall asleep

Oh yeah....
8AM - 4PM Call smokers weak-willed and pathetic. Try to ban all non-pharma nicotine products because smokers shouldn't need a crutch. Comment on articles that anyone defending nicotine use is either an industry shill or just an addict defening their addiction. Insist that nicotine is evil and can't help people and people should "just quit."

ROFL ... yep, they lead such perfect and healthy lives.
 
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