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Thanks for some really inspiring and thoughtful replies.

Mike...... I have dealt with AND conquered bouts of severe depression and debilitating anxiety my whole life - WITHOUT medication.

But all that while, I had continued smoking.

Since smoking contains MAO`s (anti-depressants).....and I`m no longer going to be getting those anti-depressants - I`m worried that the sudden withdrawal of these chemicals could re-trigger....well.....hell, basically.

Anyway.... to update on today - I`ve actually felt a lot more normal and "with it", still not 100%, but for my body to suddenly be denied the 4000 chemicals it has been fed, 15 times a day for the past 20 years.......maybe this feeling is justified and expected!

Again, thanks for the support and helpful posts, all.


I respect anyone who could deal with those kinds of problems without medication. I've since learned that taking antidepressants is somewhat of a trap, because once you become acclimated to them, they're incredibly difficult to withdraw from -- that withdrawal makes cigarette withdrawal look like a day at the beach, and because of that, I determined that unless/until I ever became truly suicidal as I was about 10 yrs ago, I will never take those meds again.

But 10 yrs ago, Effexor saved my life, quite literally; after a year of fighting my own brain, I had reached the end of my endurance, had become so alternately apathetic and filled with rage, I actually ended up being arrested for Simple Battery at one point, from fighting with my husband (who was giving me that "snap out of it" crap). At that point, if I had not gotten medical help, and the Effexor, I doubt I would have lived much longer, because I simply could not take it anymore. Thankfully, couples therapy also helped a great deal, helping him to understand that I did not choose those feelings and could not simply decide not to feel them, that I was suffering a medical disorder of my brain, and when he finally understood that, he became completely supportive. Somehow, with the help of Effexor, a good therapist, and my husband, I managed to get thru it and out the other side. Then I had to withdraw from Effexor when I lost my health insurance, and that took about a year of gradual weaning-down, before I no longer felt like someone had just attached live electrical current to every nerve ending I possessed.

Since then I've been thru desperate financial straits that nearly led to us becoming homeless, serious problems in our son's life, as well as all the usual ups and downs of reality, but I have managed, sometimes hanging on by my fingernails, to get through whatever is tossed my way. Still don't have any health coverage, still dealing with the problems in our son's life, and now my mom is so desperately ill with diabetes and cirrhosis, we don't really know for sure how much longer she'll be around. And in January, I discovered e-cigarettes; in February I discovered an e-juice that tastes very similar to the cigarettes I used to smoke, and I knew that I had found my ticket off the cigarette boat to hell. Surprises me more than anyone, that I've managed to not smoke for 90 days, and not even WANTED to smoke for 90 days, thanks to e-cigs.

Pay no attention to fools who know nothing of what it really feels like to have this type of disorder; arguing with fools about anything is just a waste of time, you can't argue someone out of being a fool. Best thing is to just ignore them and get on with your own life as best you can, by whatever means necessary. If the necessary means includes medication, don't be too proud to take it; that would be like a diabetic refusing insulin, as someone observed earlier in the thread. Or an asthmatic, like me, refusing to use my rescue inhaler because I "refuse to be defined by my medication" -- all that would do is get me dead. If the neurotransmitters in your brain don't work correctly, they're not going to get better at their job just because you think it would be "weak" to take medicine for it, or because you decide the medicine isn't necessary -- if it's bad enough to compromise your life, it's bad enough to take medication for it.

However, do keep in mind that some of what you may be feeling may be exactly because of the MAOIs leaving your body; if you can weather a week or two of negative feelings, you will likely come out the other side feeling much better, and without having complicated the matter further with even stronger drugs. But only *you* can decide what is tolerable and what is not.

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I respect anyone who could deal with those kinds of problems without medication. I've since learned that taking antidepressants is somewhat of a trap, because once you become acclimated to them, they're incredibly difficult to withdraw from -- that withdrawal makes cigarette withdrawal look like a day at the beach, and because of that, I determined that unless/until I ever became truly suicidal as I was about 10 yrs ago, I will never take those meds again.

But 10 yrs ago, Effexor saved my life, quite literally; after a year of fighting my own brain, I had reached the end of my endurance, had become so alternately apathetic and filled with rage, I actually ended up being arrested for Simple Battery at one point, from fighting with my husband (who was giving me that "snap out of it" crap). At that point, if I had not gotten medical help, and the Effexor, I doubt I would have lived much longer, because I simply could not take it anymore. Thankfully, couples therapy also helped a great deal, helping him to understand that I did not choose those feelings and could not simply decide not to feel them, that I was suffering a medical disorder of my brain, and when he finally understood that, he became completely supportive. Somehow, with the help of Effexor, a good therapist, and my husband, I managed to get thru it and out the other side. Then I had to withdraw from Effexor when I lost my health insurance, and that took about a year of gradual weaning-down, before I no longer felt like someone had just attached live electrical current to every nerve ending I possessed.

Since then I've been thru desperate financial straits that nearly led to us becoming homeless, serious problems in our son's life, as well as all the usual ups and downs of reality, but I have managed, sometimes hanging on by my fingernails, to get through whatever is tossed my way. Still don't have any health coverage, still dealing with the problems in our son's life, and now my mom is so desperately ill with diabetes and cirrhosis, we don't really know for sure how much longer she'll be around. And in January, I discovered e-cigarettes; in February I discovered an e-juice that tastes very similar to the cigarettes I used to smoke, and I knew that I had found my ticket off the cigarette boat to hell. Surprises me more than anyone, that I've managed to not smoke for 90 days, and not even WANTED to smoke for 90 days, thanks to e-cigs.

Pay no attention to fools who know nothing of what it really feels like to have this type of disorder; arguing with fools about anything is just a waste of time, you can't argue someone out of being a fool. Best thing is to just ignore them and get on with your own life as best you can, by whatever means necessary. If the necessary means includes medication, don't be too proud to take it; that would be like a diabetic refusing insulin, as someone observed earlier in the thread. Or an asthmatic, like me, refusing to use my rescue inhaler because I "refuse to be defined by my medication" -- all that would do is get me dead. If the neurotransmitters in your brain don't work correctly, they're not going to get better at their job just because you think it would be "weak" to take medicine for it, or because you decide the medicine isn't necessary -- if it's bad enough to compromise your life, it's bad enough to take medication for it.

However, do keep in mind that some of what you may be feeling may be exactly because of the MAOIs leaving your body; if you can weather a week or two of negative feelings, you will likely come out the other side feeling much better, and without having complicated the matter further with even stronger drugs. But only *you* can decide what is tolerable and what is not.

Empathies...
Andria


You`re correct in that talking therapy REALLY does work - that`s why I joined this forum to find fellow sufferers who have switched to e-cigs as I feel that I need a little reassurance as to what to expect IF I get withdrawals, or to find out if anybody had experienced withdrawals. (of the chemical type)

I`m sorry about all your troubles Andria and wish you all the best.

I know this is an e-cig forum, but it still goes to show that there is a massive lack of education, understanding and awareness of these disorders amongst the general public
 

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Wow, just wow. What a DB.

As for the OP, just keep on keeping on. I find the best way to curb any anxiety is to not read on the internet about it...:) I have had myself convinced that I had all manner of strange afflictions, so I just stopped looking for things to get worried about.....Good Luck!
 
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You`re correct in that talking therapy REALLY does work - that`s why I joined this forum to find fellow sufferers who have switched to e-cigs as I feel that I need a little reassurance as to what to expect IF I get withdrawals, or to find out if anybody had experienced withdrawals. (of the chemical type)

I`m sorry about all your troubles Andria and wish you all the best.

I know this is an e-cig forum, but it still goes to show that there is a massive lack of education, understanding and awareness of these disorders amongst the general public

I really haven't suffered any physical withdrawals that I can think of, other than the very subtle changes in mood that seem to come and go. It sorta reminds me of when I suffered PMS, years back -- this mysterious darkening of mood for seemingly no apparent reason, but there *is* a reason, in the physiology of the brain and the chemicals in it. When I first quit, I did feel some restlessness at first, and sometimes would leap out of my chair as if to run out to the porch for a quick smoke, stop myself as soon as I got to my feet and think "just where am I going? I don't have to go anywhere!" and sit right back down and vape away. That's really just the habit of mind; the nicotine in the ejuice handles most of the actual physical symptoms. I still feel a bit odd when a commercial comes on and I don't have to sprint for the porch, but now I can take those breaks to use the bathroom, get something to drink, etc, not wasting the 1-2 mins on puffing down a ..... :D Really it's just amazing how easy it is to let go of the cigarettes, FINALLY, with e-cigs as a substitute. I know it sounds very trite, but it does help to "count your blessings," at how easy quitting with e-cigs is, compared to every other way there is -- there's just no comparison!

As for the general public... stupid as the day is long. You may have heard the saying that persons may be quite intellligent, but PEOPLE are stupid. Many people still think of disorders like this as weakness, and addictions, too, that it's some kind of character defect rather than a biological propensity towards those behaviors associated with addiction. But as my husband so often reminds me... don't worry about what ignorant people think, they're not worth it.

I do still have troubles; my son, and my mom; real life goes on, and sometimes it really sucks, but what can ya do. I won't let any of that stuff derail my victory over cigarettes. And one thing that's really nice about quitting smoking is that there's more money in the budget, even *with* all the vape junk I keep buying, and having more money, even a little bit, is such a novel sensation, I feel like McD's-- "I'm lovin it!" :thumb:

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Any health issues you have concerns over should be discussed with your doctor...


this is an e-cig forum

Plenty of sympathy, maybe comparable stories...no medical advice.

I`m not asking for any medical advise!! I don`t trust big pharma full stop......

Just thought people who suffer similar conditions to myself, and are also switching to e-cigs could share their experiences of any chemical withdrawal they may have had.......If others are getting similar symptoms by switching to e-cigs, and share it, then it takes a lot of anxiety and worries of "what`s this", "what`s that" away from the person who is getting these symptoms when they first take that step of switching. (if that makes sense)
 

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    Peter,

    Give yourself time. That is the key. Day to day. It does take awhile for all the toxins from cigarettes to leave your body. You may feel shaky and out of sorts and even anxious. But it will pass. Go with the flow. Don't fight it. Let it be there. If you don't fight with your anxiety and depression, the nerves get a chance to desensitize and you start to feel better a little bit at a time.

    Good luck in your journey. You can do it.
     

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    Make sure you are sipping plenty of water. This is really important since vaping tends to dehydrate you. You are doing great, PeterB.

    Really, I think I suffered from missing all the other stuff that was in tobacco for quite a few months but I am so happy that I have managed to quit smoking. I feel healthier and I am breathing better:)
     

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    Day 7.... A whole week :laugh:

    Really bad insomnia last night - didn`t manage to get to sleep until 6.30 am, and was awake by 9!!

    Been an ok day though. Still feel a bit odd, but it`s quite manageable.

    Got 3 very painful little ulcers on the tip of my tongue, so have cut down on the vaping today - only "smoked" 0.5ml all day


    But you are vaping, right? What nic level are you using? I noticed that when I first started vaping, I had a bit of insomnia too, maybe because I was vaping for all I was worth, even though it was only 6mg. At the time I suppose I thought it was just the pure excitement of finally being able to quit cigarettes, but now I wonder if it wasn't just the nicotine, or maybe some quitters' symptom. I'm back to being able to sleep now, but that early insomnia pushed my bedtime back to like 5am-ish, and only just now starting to drag it back towards 2-3am. I'm a housewife, so what hours I keep is mostly irrelevant, but I can see that it would be quite annoying for those with schedules to keep.

    Andria

    PS: not being critical, but don't say "smoked" -- you didn't set fire to anything, did you? We're having enough trouble with the idjits in DC thinking it's the same thing, for us to be saying that too! :D
     

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    But you are vaping, right? What nic level are you using? I noticed that when I first started vaping, I had a bit of insomnia too, maybe because I was vaping for all I was worth, even though it was only 6mg. At the time I suppose I thought it was just the pure excitement of finally being able to quit cigarettes, but now I wonder if it wasn't just the nicotine, or maybe some quitters' symptom. I'm back to being able to sleep now, but that early insomnia pushed my bedtime back to like 5am-ish, and only just now starting to drag it back towards 2-3am. I'm a housewife, so what hours I keep is mostly irrelevant, but I can see that it would be quite annoying for those with schedules to keep.

    Andria

    PS: not being critical, but don't say "smoked" -- you didn't set fire to anything, did you? We're having enough trouble with the idjits in DC thinking it's the same thing, for us to be saying that too! :D

    Yeah, still vaping.... I`m on 18mg.

    It must bee slight nicotine OD, as my head felt quite wired!

    I`ve cut down A LOT today, and have only used less than half of my 1.6ml - feel ok.

    Still.... not even ONE PUFF of an "analogue!!" as you Americans call them
     
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    Good Job!!! Keep in mind that some of that "wired" feeling could be more oxygen getting to the brain.

    Good Luck!

    Excellent point! That could easily explain why for the first 2 wks I felt like singing and dancing around the clock! (that, plus the excitement of finally kicking the cigarettes to the curb!)

    :D
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    Yeah, still vaping.... I`m on 18mg.

    It must bee slight nicotine OD, as my head felt quite wired!

    I`ve cut down A LOT today, and have only used less than half of my 1.6ml - feel ok.

    Still.... not even ONE PUFF of an "analogue!!" as you Americans call them

    Actually I call them cancer sticks, or coffin nails. In fact I used to frequently say "time to go pound another nail in my coffin."

    But imagine my chagrin when I first got here, and discovered that our gov't actually would prefer that we all kept pounding them. More money for them! What a bunch of evil hypocrites they are.

    Andria
     

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    Yeah, still vaping.... I`m on 18mg.

    It must bee slight nicotine OD, as my head felt quite wired!

    I`ve cut down A LOT today, and have only used less than half of my 1.6ml - feel ok.

    Still.... not even ONE PUFF of an "analogue!!" as you Americans call them

    Just remember, we are not medical people here. We can give you advice based on our own experiences, but if you feel overwhelmed at any time, see a medical professional.

    The "wired" feeling could be either more oxygen OR too much nicotine.
     

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    Hi Peter - I noticed earlier in this thread that you were looking for for a WTA supplier in the UK. Couldn't see anybody else replying with the info you wanted so try this.....
    Tobacco Steeps
    Haven't tried them myself so can't really give advice as to their efficacy.
    Also note that these are concentrates - you'll need to buy the Nic, PG & VG and all the other equipment for DIY mixing.
    Good luck.
     
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    Just wanted to post ad say good luck!

    I don't suffer from depression, but for the first two weeks after I quit, I definitely felt sad. Vaping was a fun new thing and the flavors were awesome, and the cigarette cravings weren't too bad, but I just felt down. I think I was actually kind of in mourning for my beloved Camels. They had become such a part of my life, and it was hard and kind of sad to let them go (even though I knew it was actually a good thing). After a couple of weeks, that feeling was gone.

    The insomnia lasted a lot longer, a couple months at least. I didn't realize how much that last cigarette before bed helped me sleep. That eventually went away, as well.

    Just hold on, keep vaping, and it will get better. Good luck! Plenty of people are here for you if things get tough (ignore the ones who aren't).
     

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    Hi all... well, it`s 2 weeks vaping now

    But...... :(

    I must admit, I`ve had a few real cigs!

    My anxiety sky-rocketed after I last posted and I was feeling strange and awfully down..... It`s not that I was craving a cigarette at all, far from it infact, but I just KNOW that the chemical withdrawal (MAOI`s) affected me.

    I had 3 cigarettes on the first day, and they honestly sorted me out - I felt back to normal???

    I am now limiting myself to 3 a day - no more!!! Maybe the dramatic "cold turkey" effect of going from 15 a day to zero was just too much of a shock for me and my stupidly sensitive brain!!

    In the last week, I have NOT felt anxious at all and my mood has improved (although not 100%)..... this maybe due to the fact that I have developed a nasty chest infection and horribly sore throat! (probably due to my lungs clearing out a bit, then being poisoned once more!)

    Anyhow..... I`m off to get some new juice tomorrow, and maybe think about a better vaper - this one has been tasting quite hot/harsh and chemically for the past few days
     

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    Hi all... well, it`s 2 weeks vaping now

    But...... :(

    I must admit, I`ve had a few real cigs!

    My anxiety sky-rocketed after I last posted and I was feeling strange and awfully down..... It`s not that I was craving a cigarette at all, far from it infact, but I just KNOW that the chemical withdrawal (MAOI`s) affected me.

    I had 3 cigarettes on the first day, and they honestly sorted me out - I felt back to normal???

    I am now limiting myself to 3 a day - no more!!! Maybe the dramatic "cold turkey" effect of going from 15 a day to zero was just too much of a shock for me and my stupidly sensitive brain!!

    In the last week, I have NOT felt anxious at all and my mood has improved (although not 100%)..... this maybe due to the fact that I have developed a nasty chest infection and horribly sore throat! (probably due to my lungs clearing out a bit, then being poisoned once more!)

    Anyhow..... I`m off to get some new juice tomorrow, and maybe think about a better vaper - this one has been tasting quite hot/harsh and chemically for the past few days

    Keep on fightin', Peter. We are rooting for you. It certainly sounds like your system is really missing the MAOIs in cigs. Hope you can find a way around it. Don't be hard on yourself.
     
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