Today I learned the letter F and that VAPING KILLS
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It's just that the op is still stuck with this doctor, and not by choice.
I agree it's not guaranteed his local doctor will take any notice.
If it was me, i'd enjoy a nice road trip. I'd be on a mission !.
That's what i'm like.
The op hasn't mentioned anything other than a 100 mile drive.
......but yes, maybe there is more to it.
@CryptoRick, sorry to hear that response, logically and ethically it is a very disappointing approach. All I can say in mitigation is the following:
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(Apologies, I normally carry out most of my work on a pro-bono basis, but I had to throw in the last part for realism).
- Where are the long term epidemiological studies to support this? Immediate short term trauma or chronic/acute disease will be well documented and researched. vaping, by it's recent innovation, is not. So it is a bit of a straw-man argument to suggest health concerns so soon. A bit like the Victorians suggesting rail travel would kill all the passengers because the human body is not meant to travel at > 20 MPH. The evidence isn't there yet.
- Clearly, this doctor hasn't got any grasp on how the universe works. Blunt object trauma (e.g. being hit with a hammer) versus sharp object trauma (being stabbed by a knife) require different medical treatment, and no doctor or emergency room staff would be as negligent to class the two forms of injury as identical. To categorise vaping as "smoking" is to make the same fundamental error, even if (1) was to demonstrate risk. As we all know, PG has been used in inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950s. Any contra-indications or issues, logically, would come from the additives or possibly interactions between flavours and the carrier. A totally different kettle of fish from inhaling burnt plant matter.
- It is the responsibility of a medical professional to heal, not to judge an individual. I can count on the fingers of both hands the numbers of times doctors etc. have told me that smoking will make me ill. The number of times I took any notice? A couple at most. The most effective treatment is compassion, understanding and wisdom. I can easily go blue in the face trying to tell people not to make the mistakes I have, but more often than not people need to learn and understand for themselves. It is called being human. Play the ball, not the man.
- The UK positively embraces vaping as a pathway to giving up cigarettes, but at the same time with the disclaimer that further research is needed. Personally, I think that is a very enlightened approach, and I agree that further objective and unbiased study is required. The problem is that the system is so messed up it is virtually impossible to circumnavigate the vested interests, either pro or anti.
- Clearly, the nurse and the doctor haven't realised that the information age is upon us, and worshipping at the sacred temple of the professional guru is now history. We are now more informed, enlightened and educated than any generation in time. The real issue, like journalism, is who do you trust? As the secret practices, vested interests and professional compromises are revealed, people are naturally becoming more skeptical of "experts". It is no wonder, as the layers of mystique are peeled away we find, ultimately, our leaders have feet of clay just like us. To be credible, those is a position of leadership need to confront this, and if they don't know, admit it, rather than clinging to a raft of professional arrogance.
.(Apologies, I normally carry out most of my work on a pro-bono basis, but I had to throw in the last part for realism).
There, I guarantee you are feeling better now. I am not a doctor nor do I have a diploma, but can I have my $250 consultation fee now ? I take Amex, Visa, cash even
(Apologies, I normally carry out most of my work on a pro-bono basis, but I had to throw in the last part for realism).
That last part makes it unrealistic, unless you live in the United States, Syria, Eritrea, Turkmenistan, Libya, Iraq, Albania or a third world country (among little others).
A world (or at least a nation) where bribery and graft are institutionalized into the system by campaign contribution requirements and where a politician can pick the voters they want to represent rather than the reverse. It’s not even that the solutions to these problems are not known. It’s just that one party doesn’t have the clout or the cojones to fix it and the other one actually fought to put the systems in place.
Well my first reaction was disbelief. I tried talking to the nurse but that was fruitless and def not good for my blood pressure so I dropped it. The doc I just looked at him and tried to smile. I mean really, the guy has prescribed 22 pills a day for me to take so I am guessing that it's what they do. He is going to have the pharmacy send me a new script of nic patches
I have NO intention of quitting vaping and going back to smoking based on the opinion of a quack. Never mind the health benefits or lack thereof. Its all about the Benjamins. As a former 3 pad smoker I am saving several crap loads of money and much of it taxes that goes to fund this kind of treatment. About each carton of cigs not bought is a new mod
I have NO intention of quitting vaping and going back to smoking based on the opinion of a quack. Never mind the health benefits or lack thereof. Its all about the Benjamins. As a former 3 pad smoker I am saving several crap loads of money and much of it taxes that goes to fund this kind of treatment. About each carton of cigs not bought is a new mod
Consider a new Doctor.
I have been to a PCP doctor, a Cardiologist, a Urologist and a Dermatologist since stopping smoking over 2 years ago. All said Vaping was a much better option than smoking.
I have been to a PCP doctor, a Cardiologist, a Urologist and a Dermatologist since stopping smoking over 2 years ago. All said Vaping was a much better option than smoking.
Vaping kills brain cells, only not in vapers. What do you call that, secondhand stupidity?
My doctor said vaping was good for me since it limited my "talking time" and the less I talk, the less I get punched. Go vaping!
Same here, my doctor told me that switching to vaping was the best thing I could have done.odd.... I was a 2-3 PAD smoker and my Dr. was always on my .... to quit.... took up vaping and quit the ciggies. When I went into the Dr. for my annual checkup, he did the standard breath deep routine and noticed I didnt snap crackle and pop anymore. He was totally suprised that I cleared up as well as I did and told me my lungs sound as clear as someone who doesnt/didnt smoke... he suggested that I should continue vaping and stay away from the ciggies... he knew that the gums/lozenges/patches didnt work for me... he was going to prescribe Chantix for me ( while I was still smoking) but realized I was too nuts for it
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Sad even my doc said there was not enough long term studies to effectively say if it's as bad or even close to being as cigs.
All mine did was ask how much nic i consumed and if i was gonna quit nic eventually.
All mine did was ask how much nic i consumed and if i was gonna quit nic eventually.
The doctor's loyalty is to the one who cuts the paycheck. Which these days is no longer the patient. They must mindlessly spout the company policy, opinions and decisions of those who cut their checks and fund (bribe) them. Independent thought, research and patients best interest are rarely their priority. Those good old days are gone. Very sad.
About each carton of cigs not bought is a new mod
From a query I wrote February 2014 for my custom database.
Vaping for 5 years (1832 days) now after 38 years of smoking and the difference in cost is staggering. Based on cigarette prices when I quit it would have cost me $13190.40 and $4447.54 spent on vaping for a savings of $8742.86. That is 91600 cigarettes I would have smoked. (can you say nerd?)
And I can BREATH AGAIN!
Medical results win over attitudes and uninformed medical opinions. There's lots of people who think it's the nicotine that is bad. Those people usually love nightshade veggies like tomatoes and potatoes and may not know that they contain nicotine.
It's the tars and SMOKE particles that kill your lungs. That doesn't exist in ecig vapor. When I smoked there was a light haze in my chest x-rays. Now my lungs look normal. My doctor is fine with vaping.
It's the tars and SMOKE particles that kill your lungs. That doesn't exist in ecig vapor. When I smoked there was a light haze in my chest x-rays. Now my lungs look normal. My doctor is fine with vaping.
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Since the start of this year I've noticed a rather bizarre change. Every once in a while I get approached, informed that, "…that stuff will kill you." Often accompanied by the admonition, sometimes in various languages, that it'll cause "cancer". On observing that it's not combustion, the uniform rejoinder, "…don't matter." Some sophisticated sh¡ite right there in terms of effective dissemination.
I'm walkin into Publix down here on the beach a couple back and a drunk approaches me with this!
Obviously somebody has gone through a whole lot of trouble and expense to get this political message out…even to the drunk on the street.
Good luck.
I'm walkin into Publix down here on the beach a couple back and a drunk approaches me with this!
Obviously somebody has gone through a whole lot of trouble and expense to get this political message out…even to the drunk on the street.
Good luck.
Playing devil's advocate here.
Ever consider how many tomatoes and potatoes you would have to consume to equate to how much nicotine you would get from vaping or smoking?
Nicotine can have "bad" effects depending upon how much you consume. It is a stimulant and vasoconstrictor, which could be considered to be unhealthy and even dangerous to use should one already have coronary heart disease, peripheral artery disease, hypertension, diabetes, or had a stroke. At extremely high doses it could be considered a poison; in fact it is to this day used as an insectacide.
Just clearing the air that nicotine is not as safe as some here are claiming. There's a risk involved if you drink water or breath air, too.
When I got my check up I didn't say I vaped just quit smoking 7 yrs ago. My blood tests were excellent and no lung problems. So I keep on vaping
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