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four2109

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Here's my dental update.

I went to the dentist yesterday for a cleaning and check-up. During my last visit, I had been using my e-cig every day for about an hour. However, I started to experience terrible dry mouth, and my tongue became especially sore. Drinking lots of water did not help, so I decided to quit. My hygienist was aware of my e-cig usage, so I told her that I stopped. She said that my gums have shown great improvement since the last checkup, and she mentioned the improvement and the e-cig when the dentist came in. They were very pleased that I had quit because of the drying effects of PG. "Moisture is your friend."

I still miss my e-cig - it was my replacement for cigars - but PG is just too harsh on my mouth. (I haven't tried VG, but it has similar drying properties.) :(

Thanks for the update BlueSun. So your gums have improved each time since your first visit, or stopped smoking, right? Was the problem with your tongue a surface irritation?
I think my gums are receding since I started vaping, but it's hard to tell. I have a check-up in April. I think all the primer puffs and sucking on automatic batts may contribute. But I like auto batts. I use a 401 and PG w/nic.
I have also noticed that I don't chew gum all the time like I did when I had cigarette breath. I'm trying to make that a habit again.
I have experimented with snus and Stonewalls. I think Stonewalls are probably less risky for the teeth and gums. Have you tried these or are you skipping them and going straight to snuff?
 

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Hello 42109 (do you know 42108?), :D

I was a casual cigar smoker before discovering e-cigs, so my dental health was pretty decent. I think the improvement in the beginning was due to stopping mouth breathing - I used to wake up in the morning with a completely dry mouth. But the PG in my e-cig was definitely causing excessive dryness, even if I drank water with it. I took break of a few weeks to let my tongue heal, then tried the e-cig again and the problem started the same day. My tongue, especially on the tip, gets very sore and inflamed, like I've been burned. I get cotton mouth. It takes days for my mouth to return to normal, so I know it can't be good for my mouth. The dentist seemed to confirm that for me.

I've never tried snus - not really interested. I don't crave nicotine, I just enjoy tobacco, so when I found out about snuff I thought I'd give it a try. It's just a little hobby, and a cheap one at that. But I still miss vaping. I would never go back to real cigars now, because vaping was cheaper, it satisfied my desire for a stogie, and I didn't stink like a old ashtray! I'm hoping there will be alternatives to PG/VG. I'll just have to wait and see.

EDIT: When I say snuff, I'm talking about nasal snuff, not chewing tobacco.
 
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I don't mean to dig up an old thread, but wanted to comment on this as well. I stopped smoking analogs [and started vaping] a few days after my 30th birthday, which was March 2009. I had smoked for 15 years (with a year and a half break from smoking in the early 2000's) anywhere between 1/2 pack on up to 2 packs a day. I had never had any cavity's which I attributed to aggressive fluoride treatments, not eating candy, not chewing gum, and brushing my teeth consistently 2x a day. I did have gum swelling which my dentist said was from smoking, but it was never bad.

I had a cleaning the beginning, 2009 and came back still no cavities, with x-rays taken as usual. Quit analog cigs and started vaping the beginning of April 2009. My next cleaning was September 2009 which is when I found out I had my first cavity! Nothing in my habits had changed other then quitting smoking analogs and starting vaping. I chalked it up to getting old and never considered vaping as the cause. Unlike the OP, I rarely get dry mouth, even when vaping heavily for many hours. I don't like VG as it burns my throat, so I exclusively use PG. Anyway, the cavity was small, but I had it filled immediately and also added a fluoride mouthwash to my teeth cleaning regiment.

Fast forward to this past March 2010 checkup where the dentist said I now another cavity! WTF! He was shocked and said he had never seen someone with perfect teeth like mine suddenly go downhill so fast. Again, the cavity was small, but the x-rays don't lie, it was there clear as day. I swear to you, as I did to him that I have not done anything differently then I had done in the past in fact as stated above, I was even more aggressive with my teeth care. I had it filled, which sucked as I refuse to get the silver fillings and had to once again pay extra for the natural color. There is no way in hell I want to see anything other then white on my teeth. Anyway, the dentist said he would be also watching two other teeth as it looks like they have deep grooves that may be forming cavities as well!

Fast forward again to today. As I type this post I feel like those two teeth he was talking about do in fact have cavities. I do not have pain, but a dull annoyance and can see clearly the deep grooves he was talking about are slightly dark in color. If I stick a pick in them they are "sticky" which is a sure sign of a cavity. If this is the case, that would make FOUR cavities in a little over a years time, after not having a single one for 30 years.

I no longer have any doubt that vaping has to be attributing something to the tooth decay. My only guess is its the glycerin as I had been smoking analogs for years and the nicotine, tar, and other crap never caused anything other then gum swelling.

Now I have a choice. I refuse to start smoking again, so its quit vaping or deal with dental problems. I love vaping and do not want to stop but this cavity thing is getting out of hand. I am not sure if switching to VG and dealing with the sore throat will help the issue or worsen the issue. I guess there is a possibility that switching to 0mg nicotine could help, but I don't think its the nicotine thats causing the problem as analogs had nicotine and only irritated my gums, never causing cavities in the past. Again, the only variable I can come up with here is glycerin.

Sigh... no idea how to handle things, but knowing how much I love vaping I am sure I will be paying for more fillings in the future. I guess fillings are better then dying a horrible death from cancer.
 

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Well cavities are better than cancer, but it's not a nice choice.
I use VG & a wee bit of PG and I haven't had any trouble at all.

I did have a cavity filling replaced not too long ago but the filling was 25 or more years old---way past time.
I do keep sugarless gum around and chew if I can't brush during the day because vaping leaves a coat of residue on the teeth.
 

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I wanted to post this link again, even though it was on another thread. Oil pulling is amazing for teeth, and dry mouth. If your going to vape I highly recommend oil pulling daily. Oil Pulling, Wonderful Therapy, An Ancient Ayurvedic Method for Great Health

Another thing to consider when it comes to dental health is diet. Sure sugar is bad but milk and meat are very hard on your teeth too. Why? Milk and meat are very high in amino acids, your body needs calcium to break them down and it takes it straight from your teeth and bones. Eat more veggies, drink lots of water and reduce amino consumption and you should see a vast improvement in many areas, including your teeth.
 

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All good advice. Might I add that the drying action of vapor is probably the biggest culprit for cavities. I've always been prone to cavities, vaping or not.

I highly recommend 'Biotine' products to combat dry mouth. I've been using the mouthwash and what a difference it makes. I tried the gum and don't recommend it; it looses flavor quickly. The toothpaste and gel look promising too.
 

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Topical pure or nearly pure glycerol is an effective treatment for psoriasis, burns, bites, cuts, rashes, bedsores, and calluses.[Needs footnote.] It can be used orally to eliminate halitosis, as it is a contact bacterial desiccant.[Needs footnote.] The same property makes it very helpful with periodontal disease; it penetrates biofilm quickly and eliminates bacterial colonies
 

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I went to the dentist yesterday, and he discovered that I had a small cavity on one of my molars. And I was only last at the dentist two months ago, about a month before I took up vaping. The last time I had a cavity was when I was a kid twenty eight years ago. I've always taken great care of my dental hygiene by brushing after every meal, aggressively flossing and using a non-alcohol based mouthwash. ...

Don't you know that when your dentist needs a new Lexus or a trip to the Islands, that they put a small "starter" hole in one of your molars while they work on your other teeth.
 

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Don't you know that when your dentist needs a new Lexus or a trip to the Islands, that they put a small "starter" hole in one of your molars while they work on your other teeth.

Oh I believe that! The really scary thing is that amalgam filling give off mercury too. It is freaking amazing that the ADA still approves these things for cavities. Check this link out. video True Stories About Mercury Poisoning By Dental Amalgam Fillings - true stories of people affected by mercury amalgtam poisoning, dental amalgam poisoning, how to recognise mercury amalgam poisoning - videos kewego
 

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Sorry about the cavities. But you don't have a problem with the gum issues that smoking was causing you? Did your dentist tell you that ongoing gum problems can cause loose or lost teeth? I'll take the cavaties over lost teeth anyday and I've been there. Trust me dentures/partial plates are not fun. And if you choose (I did) dental implants get ready to work OT! My husband told me to hang a sign around my neck, "will work for teeth." Also, smoking while waiting for dental implants to integrate into the bone risks failure of the implants. Of course I didn't totally quit smoking until after all of the implants were placed and integrated....:oops:I was lucky and I only smoked 10 cigs/day for the 6 week integration period.
I don't mean to dig up an old thread, but wanted to comment on this as well. I stopped smoking analogs [and started vaping] a few days after my 30th birthday, which was March 2009. I had smoked for 15 years (with a year and a half break from smoking in the early 2000's) anywhere between 1/2 pack on up to 2 packs a day. I had never had any cavity's which I attributed to aggressive fluoride treatments, not eating candy, not chewing gum, and brushing my teeth consistently 2x a day. I did have gum swelling which my dentist said was from smoking, but it was never bad.

I had a cleaning the beginning, 2009 and came back still no cavities, with x-rays taken as usual. Quit analog cigs and started vaping the beginning of April 2009. My next cleaning was September 2009 which is when I found out I had my first cavity! Nothing in my habits had changed other then quitting smoking analogs and starting vaping. I chalked it up to getting old and never considered vaping as the cause. Unlike the OP, I rarely get dry mouth, even when vaping heavily for many hours. I don't like VG as it burns my throat, so I exclusively use PG. Anyway, the cavity was small, but I had it filled immediately and also added a fluoride mouthwash to my teeth cleaning regiment.

Fast forward to this past March 2010 checkup where the dentist said I now another cavity! WTF! He was shocked and said he had never seen someone with perfect teeth like mine suddenly go downhill so fast. Again, the cavity was small, but the x-rays don't lie, it was there clear as day. I swear to you, as I did to him that I have not done anything differently then I had done in the past in fact as stated above, I was even more aggressive with my teeth care. I had it filled, which sucked as I refuse to get the silver fillings and had to once again pay extra for the natural color. There is no way in hell I want to see anything other then white on my teeth. Anyway, the dentist said he would be also watching two other teeth as it looks like they have deep grooves that may be forming cavities as well!

Fast forward again to today. As I type this post I feel like those two teeth he was talking about do in fact have cavities. I do not have pain, but a dull annoyance and can see clearly the deep grooves he was talking about are slightly dark in color. If I stick a pick in them they are "sticky" which is a sure sign of a cavity. If this is the case, that would make FOUR cavities in a little over a years time, after not having a single one for 30 years.

I no longer have any doubt that vaping has to be attributing something to the tooth decay. My only guess is its the glycerin as I had been smoking analogs for years and the nicotine, tar, and other crap never caused anything other then gum swelling.

Now I have a choice. I refuse to start smoking again, so its quit vaping or deal with dental problems. I love vaping and do not want to stop but this cavity thing is getting out of hand. I am not sure if switching to VG and dealing with the sore throat will help the issue or worsen the issue. I guess there is a possibility that switching to 0mg nicotine could help, but I don't think its the nicotine thats causing the problem as analogs had nicotine and only irritated my gums, never causing cavities in the past. Again, the only variable I can come up with here is glycerin.

Sigh... no idea how to handle things, but knowing how much I love vaping I am sure I will be paying for more fillings in the future. I guess fillings are better then dying a horrible death from cancer.
 

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Maybe this will be good news for everyone. My hubby and I started vaping almost 3 months ago and two weeks after we started, he chipped a back tooth. When the dentist looked in his mouth, he about croaked because he had such a severe case of gum disease CAUSED FROM SMOKING! He's gone through 5 weeks of gum treatment and cleaning all the tarter build up under his gum line. He told the dentist he had quit smoking but didn't tell him he was vaping. His dentist really thought he was going to have to have gum surgery but told him he wouldn't know for sure until he completed the treatments. He was told to definitely never smoke again! He also told him that he had never seen such a severe case like this where the person had not already had a heart attack or stroke and told him he was a very lucky guy. He was also told that they would know if he had smoked when he came in each time for a treatment. He continued to vape and the dentist told him each time he could tell he wasn't smoking.

During his last treatment, they were very amazed at how quickly his condition had improved and that he would NOT have to have surgery. It was then that he told them he was using E cigs and they wanted to know more about them. Now he's going through the process of being fitted for a crown for the chipped tooth. Thank God for that chipped tooth! It was the very least of his worries and the last thing the dentist was concerned about. He has a beautiful smile now and very healthy gums and teeth and everyone who works there is amazed that he healed so quickly!

I believe that E cigs have definitely saved his life, or at the very least, prolonged it.
 

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10 months into vaping (no analogs, yay) but I specifically looked on this forum for this topic...

I have had increasing tooth sensitivity/pain and degenerating health on my teeth in general since I quit analogs. I dread the dentist but cannot put it off any longer. I vape quite alot and am hooked on (no names) a very powerful cinnamon e-liquid...pretty sweet stuff...a 90% PG 10% VG mix cut with a 80/20 doubler...

I don't want to go back to smoking but I definitely believe that the vaping is causing issues...thanks for the links to mouth hygiene stuff, reminders of more water...all that will help I'm sure...rinse, rinse, rinse...oh well, no cigarettes for me...
 
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