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10 months into vaping (no analogs, yay) but I specifically looked on this forum for this topic...

I have had increasing tooth sensitivity/pain and degenerating health on my teeth in general since I quit analogs. I dread the dentist but cannot put it off any longer. I vape quite alot and am hooked on (no names) a very powerful cinnamon e-liquid...pretty sweet stuff...a 90% PG 10% VG mix cut with a 80/20 doubler...

I don't want to go back to smoking but I definitely believe that the vaping is causing issues...thanks for the links to mouth hygiene stuff, reminders of more water...all that will help I'm sure...rinse, rinse, rinse...oh well, no cigarettes for me...
Aw the dentist isn't so bad. I didn't even really mind having a root canal, it wasn't so bad. Once you get past the shots everything's smooth riding. But it does suck and hurt to have your jaw locked open for 20 minutes and water gathering at the back of your throat (it's hard to swallow with your mouth open that wide) lol. What scares you about the dentist anyway? Well not "scare" necessarily but, what don't you like about the dentist?
 

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sugar free hard candies or chewing gum (they even make special chewing gum for dry mouth) or keeping basically ANYTHING in your mouth (a button, a tongue ring, anything (idealy something softer than enamel, so you dont chip a tooth if you accidentally bite it)) will increase saliva production and may help, you of course don't wanna keep anything in there while sleeping or like.. playing sports or something due to the choking hazard...
 
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Something you might want to try and source is a product called "GC Tooth Mousse" from Recaldent. It's usually only available through your dentist (not available in supermarkets or pharmacies as far as I know), but I've found it a few times up on eBay. I used to work as a dental nurse a few years ago and got hooked on this stuff. For me, it's more beneficial than mouthwash.

What is it for? A whole range of oral issues. If you have active decay in your mouth, sensitive teeth, erosion or tooth wear from grinding or brushing too hard, if you suffer from dry mouth, have an acidic oral environment from too much sugar and soft drinks, if you are undertaking orthodontic treatment, have white spot lesions, and if you are undertaking tooth whitening procedures. *giggles* The list goes on and on.

Fluoride in toothpaste creates a film on your teeth to protect them from decay. Tooth moouse works in a slightly different way, and has to be left in contact with effected areas and shouldn't be rinsed off. The active ingredients in tooth mousse (bio-available calcium and phosphate) re-mineralizes enamel and encourage saliva flow. It will bind to plaque and soft tissue and continue to leech *good stuff* in to your mouth long after you think it's gone.

You should still continue brushing and flossing as normal, this isn't a substitue for good oral hygine. Tooth mousse is more a once every couple of days thing for me, more if I need it. It tastes nice too! Very creamy, a bit like medicinal melted ice-cream.

This is a milk-derived product, so anyone who is lactose intolerant or has any sort of dairy issues should stear clear.

It's not a miracle cure for dry mouth and cavities but it's certainly worth looking in to. Your mileage may vary. :)

Thank you so much! After reading your post it sounded just what I needed - and after reading the description on e-bay - I am sure of it, so I bought a tube :thumbs:
 

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I wanted to post this link again, even though it was on another thread. Oil pulling is amazing for teeth, and dry mouth. If your going to vape I highly recommend oil pulling daily. Oil Pulling, Wonderful Therapy, An Ancient Ayurvedic Method for Great Health

Another thing to consider when it comes to dental health is diet. Sure sugar is bad but milk and meat are very hard on your teeth too. Why? Milk and meat are very high in amino acids, your body needs calcium to break them down and it takes it straight from your teeth and bones. Eat more veggies, drink lots of water and reduce amino consumption and you should see a vast improvement in many areas, including your teeth.

I was reading about oil pulling a month ago and thought I'd give it a shot so ran out and spent 10 dollars for a bottle of the specific oil that was recommended and watched Y-tube video's to make sure of the correct way to do it. I measured out my oil, filled my mouth and started swishing it around and almost gagged myself to death. I couldn't keep that stuff in my mouth for 1 minute let alone 15 to 20 minutes 3 times a day. I could have bought a nice tasty e-liquid. :vapor:
 

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Hey, just wanted to throw out some info and another product suggestion.

I've always had problems with my teeth and gums. Lots of cavities. Last year dentist told me I have gum disease. Great. Fortunately it was at the early stages so I had them treated. I never knew why I had such bad teeth. Come to find out I've had acid reflux for YEARS (funny how you can have a problem and not know it). As others mentioned earlier, you think it's normal (yeah, normal to feel like you have a campire going on in your stomach). Needless to say acid reflux is murder on the teeth.

So anyway, this is something to consider on its own, and I suggest if you have been experiencing acidic tastes or heartburn, cut down on caffeine (or eliminate it altogether) and DIET SODA! Actually, all carbonated beverages and yes, beer will about double the acid in your stomach. Also avoid onions, peppers, and tomatoes.

But getting to the product, quite a few months I started using Stevia instead of Splenda as an artificial sweetener and noticed an improvement in my gums. They looked healthier, were 'pinker' in appearance, and I wasn't experiencing the intermittent swelling I used to get. This is while I was still smoking analogs, mind you. I read up on Stevia and it turns out the herb is known to be beneficial for teeth and gums.

A number of studies show that Stevia can be beneficial in the treatment of many health conditions. Stevia is believed to have anti-bacterial, anti-septic, anti-microbial, anti-oxidant, anti-glycemic, and anti-hypertensive properties which may help with hypertension (high blood pressure), diabetes, chronic fatigue, indigestion, upset stomach, heartburn, weight loss, cold and flu, gingivitis, tooth decay, cavities, dandruff and hair loss, brittle bones or osteoporosis, streptococcus, candidiasis, bacterial infections and skin conditions such as cuts, wounds, rashes, itchiness, blemishes, acne, seborrhoeic dermatitis, dermatitis, eczema, and wrinkles. It may also improve energy levels, strengthen immune system, stimulate mental activity, and may also help in withdrawl from tobacco and alcohol addiction.

Easy enough to add this to your diet if you are a tea or coffee drinker, or if you bake you can substitute it for sugar. Look it up yourself, it's an herb that has been used for many, many years.
 
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Joe, about 10 years ago I tried Stevia and it tasted like licorice. But it's come a long way in how it is produced as a sweetener alternative. I think it tastes just fine now, I had little trouble making the switch. Not exactly like sugar, but better than Sweet-n-low and Equal. In large quantities, such as if you use it to bake with, you might want to do half Stevia, and half sugar or Splenda. Otherwise you might be able to detect a slight 'herbal' taste. I don't notice anything like that in small quantities, such as in my coffee or when I use it to make lemonade or iced tea.
 

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My husband and I have been using Stevia for about a year now (Stevita brand). It's a lot sweeter than sugar!

My husband would normally use about a teaspoon of sugar in his coffee. He sweetens *3* cups of coffee with ONE packet of Stevia!

It has zero calories and is natural.

OH yeah, I forgot to mention that. Although it seems expensive, as Willpuff mentioned, it is alot sweeter than sugar so you will use much less of it.
 

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Hi guys/gals/FDA,

I want to follow up on my dry mouth problem that started this thread. In my last post, I mentioned that I've been a mouth breather. Since I became aware of this, I've been forcing myself to breath through my nose at all times. This has completely solved my problem. I've noticed that I no longer wake up in the morning with a totally dry mouth, too. I guess I never paid any attention to it until vaping.

Tonight, I went for a hour long walk and vaped all the time, making sure to focus on nose breathing, and did not experience any problems with saliva production. I could even taste the Johnson Creek juice (old stuff) so much better.

It's also made me aware that I have sinus problems that I've been accepting as normal, and that's why I've been mouth breathing. I'm always blowing my nose, sneezing and feeling clogged up. I'm going to talk to my doctor about nasal sprays. And this has nothing to do with tobacco or e-cigarettes, because it's been this way long before I've touched either of the two. I'm such a sensitive person.

If anything changes, I will post an update.

I've had that problem and habit too, although I'm lucky in that e-cigs have never been more drying than actual smoking for me.

Give cromolyn sodium ("Nasalcrom") spray a look; it has a pretty mild mechanism of action and is much less irritating than even the plain saline sprays. And if you're crazy enough, using a "neti pot" is also almost always guaranteed relief [in my experience] - but I'm paranoid about keeping mine spotless so I don't use it as much as I should.

After a round of expensive dental work, I've picked up on the idea that toothpaste itself is supposed to neutralize the acidity that causes cavities whether or not you're giving yourself a full polishing. So even if you just give a quick whisk 'after every meal,' the chemical effect is buying some time and saving your teeth [to some extent] compared to doing a good job before bed/after that open-mouf nap on the couch.

Edit: Also, if it hasn't been mentioned, you can get pound sacks of xylitol to use as a sweetener, though it's a bit expensive - still cheaper than dentistry and I like the 'birch beer' flavor so I'm trying to stick with it. Read somewhere that it's highly toxic to dogs, though, so keep it away from the family pet.
 
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Joe, about 10 years ago I tried Stevia and it tasted like licorice. But it's come a long way in how it is produced as a sweetener alternative. I think it tastes just fine now, I had little trouble making the switch. Not exactly like sugar, but better than Sweet-n-low and Equal. In large quantities, such as if you use it to bake with, you might want to do half Stevia, and half sugar or Splenda. Otherwise you might be able to detect a slight 'herbal' taste. I don't notice anything like that in small quantities, such as in my coffee or when I use it to make lemonade or iced tea.

While I'm sharing wisdom here... I picked up some PureVia a year or three back, and it was malingering in the cabinet because it still has some of that strong herbal taste - or I'm just sensitive to it; not bad but not always what I want in tea or coffee.

But I finally found a good use for it - I'm one of those people who was raised on soft drinks and gets heartburn from drinking plain water (go figure); adding a quarter packet to a bottle of water makes an 'iced tea' of sorts and the flavor and carrier (dextrose or somesuch, usually) changes the electrolyte balance enough that I don't get the acrid response.

(Now if I ever finish scrubbing the accidental-kombucha residue out of my water bottle, I'll have to start trying that again. :))
 

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I'm a dentist, and reading this thread has been interesting. There's a lot of unknowns at this point on whether or not any additives in e-juice could contribute to tooth decay, but it's certainly a possibility. The best advice I can give at this point is drink lots of water/closely monitor any dry mouth issues, cut down on your sugar intake, and use a fluoride rinse (ACT or Listerine total care).

I certainly would discourage anyone from stopping vaping if this is preventing you from smoking. Like someone else said, I'd choose cavities over cancer any day.
 
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I'm a dentist, and reading this thread has been interesting. There's a lot of unknowns at this point on whether or not any additives in e-juice could contribute to tooth decay, but it's certainly a possibility. The best advice I can give at this point is drink lots of water/closely monitor any dry mouth issues, cut down on your sugar intake, and use a fluoride rinse (ACT or Listerine total care).

I certainly would discourage anyone to stop vaping if this is preventing you from smoking. Like someone else said, I'd choose cavities over cancer any day.

Great to hear from another dentist that vapes, that makes two that I've come across here. Good solid advice. I'm finding the Biotine mouthwash effective w/ my dry mouth. Have you noticed any dental issues yourself since vaping?
 

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I have not noticed any issues myself--I'll certainly post them if I do. I vaped off and on for a year or so, but finally gave up cigs about a month ago and have been full on vaping since. As of now, no issues.

I vape both all VG and VG/PG combos but personally have had no issues with dry mouth. Biotene is great stuff if you need it.
 

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i've noticed my gumline has seemed to get a little better since i started vaping...

PG causes me really bad dry mouth...so I'm always drinking water when i vape...

VG is much nicer, but having it break down to glucose is a concern for causing cavities...none yet! very interesting post though...
 
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