Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)

[DingerCPA]

I was waiting for you to comment

I typically disappoint - glad I didn't in this case

 

[pufZeppelin]

wowzer, lot of theory - the way I LOOK AT TEMP CONTROL
is temp is temp, set up your base line however ya want (up to 1.5Ω) then
adjust the TEMP where YOU like it...
reguardless of all your parameters, the temp SHOULD stay constant

that's one of the beauties of TC - set it /forget it (wow, just went Ron Popeil on ya'll)

 

[Burnie]

Okay - I've been looking and looking . . .

AND - Nowhere that I have looked have I been able to find a Chart that will tell Ya' what . . . Voltage = Wattage = Temperature . . . especially something simple and easy to understand for "vaping DUMMIES" like "Me" who cannot get their head around all this . . .

SO - To all "YOU" more knowledgeable technicians of electronic equipment and how they work when it comes to "eCigs" . . . Is there anyone who is willing to take-up the challenge and task to create such a chart . . .

Or - Even a spreadsheet (@Katdarling ) . . .

Just an IDEA . . .

Okay - as soon as I saw the equation that was absolutely - ENOUGH ! ! !

I'M SO DONE . . .

As I said in "My" original post - SOMETHING SIMPLE - BASIC & In General Terms - think "DUMMIES" ! ! !

I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN HOW TO FIGURE IT OUT (especially since it is way to much information) - I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS . . .

("My" Apologies for screaming out loud, but it seems no one was listening . . . )

Here is something simple, no temperature.

Hope that will help.

 

[Semiretired]

Ha and everyone asks me why I haven't tried TC or bothered upgrading everything to watts or even varying my ohms.

I have a mathematical background so the formulas are nothing, but all I want to do is not got back to cigs - so - KISS and be done...

Predominately I vape at 3.3v - 3.5v - don't need to change nothing... And it works...

 

[Burnie]

KISS and be done...
Predominately I vape at 3.3v - 3.5v - don't need to change nothing... And it works...

Couldn't agree more. What it takes to not smoke is the important thing.

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

Nice chart, Burnie... but... Here in my hand is an eVic VT with an old Protank 2 and the display says my coil is 2.12 Ohms. I have the VW set at 13.5W for a pleasantly warm (NOT hot) vape and optimal flavor. The display claims I am using 5.34 Volts. I never get any "burned" hits and my coils last me about a month. Yet, according to the guy who made that chart (with an eGo 4.2V pen?), I am always deep into the red and I should be blowing coils right and left. Sorry to say, I do not find that chart to be very reliable.

EDIT: Looking back on that chart, I see the absolute max wattage (deep red, far lower right corner) is 24W. Wow! That sucker has to be really old! I remember when I started vaping, yeah, at about 6W, people on this forum (in the newbies thread) were trying to tell me I wanted mods that did 50W and higher (no, and I still don't) and I see ads routinely for 200W mods. If everything above 8.5W is dangerous according to the chart's maker, then I suspect it was obsolete before I even started.

But I agree with you... whatever it takes to not smoke is what is important. Yet we still did not answer Uncle's question with all this...

 

[Katdarling]

Mamma MIA! Information overload, methinks. I love the TC discussion. I've heard of this new fangled technology. What's that stand for? TOO CONFUSING?

Uncle, I feel for you. You just want a simple plug 'n play recipe for your devices using TC. Sadly, it doesn't exist. Why not just go completely back to basics (thank you, tj, semi, Burnie, et al) and vape to TASTE?

For some people, the numbers are really kwite unimportant. Too cold? Raise the temp/volts/watts, and vice versa.

AND NO, I'M NOT MAKING YOU A DAMM SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!

Average price here for Marlboro Red is $23 a pack

Price of 1 package of Marlboro cigarettes in Sydney :: Expatistan

If G'Fu is correct, that's 17 bucks USD? Oh am I glad not to be buying/smoking cigs anymore!!!!!! GEEZE LOUISE!

Prices Of Cigarettes By State | Fair Reporters

NY for the win.

 

[pufZeppelin]

Mamma MIA! Information overload, methinks. I love the TC discussion. I've heard of this new fangled technology. What's that stand for? TOO CONFUSING?
Uncle, I feel for you. You just want a simple plug 'n play recipe for your devices using TC. Sadly, it doesn't exist.

oh, but it does - just set your WATTS, then dial the Temp ° to what suits ya... (it's really that simple) that's how I've roll'd since I've discovered it

and who the heck is Louise ?

 

[Krisma]

I am finally back on line after a major chunk of downtime.

Consider you all liked unless you didn't deserve it.

 

[Burnie]

Nice chart, Burnie... but... Here in my hand is an eVic VT with an old Protank 2 and the display says my coil is 2.12 Ohms. I have the VW set at 13.5W for a pleasantly warm (NOT hot) vape and optimal flavor. The display claims I am using 5.34 Volts. I never get any "burned" hits and my coils last me about a month. Yet, according to the guy who made that chart (with an eGo 4.2V pen?), I am always deep into the red and I should be blowing coils right and left. Sorry to say, I do not find that chart to be very reliable.

EDIT: Looking back on that chart, I see the absolute max wattage (deep red, far lower right corner) is 24W. Wow! That sucker has to be really old! I remember when I started vaping, yeah, at about 6W, people on this forum (in the newbies thread) were trying to tell me I wanted mods that did 50W and higher (no, and I still don't) and I see ads routinely for 200W mods. If everything above 8.5W is dangerous according to the chart's maker, then I suspect it was obsolete before I even started.

But I agree with you... whatever it takes to not smoke is what is important. Yet we still did not answer Uncle's question with all this...

The chart IS correct, IF , you use 32/33 gauge wire, which was what was used when it was done. There are too many variables to do a chart now days, but this chart works for me as my ADV is with 32/33 gauge wire, and I mostly vape at less than 6 watts (I do womp and this chart would not work), so please take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Krisma]

That chart comes from a time where PG ruled the eliquid ratio and as someone who still vapes high pg with limited airflow tanks the chart is as valuable today as it was them.

Once you introduce airflow you change the power levels the coil is capable of handling.
Let alone the introduction of a thicker vg based eliquid

 

[Katdarling]

oh, but it does - just set your WATTS, then dial the Temp ° to what suits ya... (it's really that simple) that's how I've roll'd since I've discovered it

and who the heck is Louise ?

Thelma's BFF, or Mary Hartman. your choice.

 

[Uncle]

First of all - A BIG HUGE

. . .

@gerrymi, @Fuzzy Thunderbear, @Shawn Hoefer, @kad2371, @DingerCPA, @pufZeppelin, @Burnie, & even @Katdarling for responding to "My" post . . .

Now - To reply back to a couple post just for the heck of it or if anyone would be interested about the why I asked for this information . . .

But Uncle, doesn't everyone own a calculator and the formulae are really very simple: Power = Voltage squared divided by resistance... I know you are smart enough to poke those buttons on your calculator. And if it really bothers you that much, just send one of us a PM with the numbers and we'll do it for ya.

Yes - I have a calculator, but no one said I could actually do anything with it, except to either add/subtract/multiply/divide with the damn thing . . .

AND - When it comes to formulas, I'm like . . . - - - - - -

Just Sayin' - However, THANKS for the offer to assist "Me" in a PM too (see below) . . .

Ooooohhhh... that'll never work. Too many variables. Size of chamber, size of wire, size of airflow, amount of liquid, composition of liquid, type of wire just to name a handful.

WHO KNEW - I didn't . . .

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as you want it to be.

DAMN - It should be . . .

@kad2371 & @DingerCPA . . . Very Informative and understandable post . . .

Here is something simple, no temperature.

Hope that will help.

Actually it does help, matter of fact that is what inspired the idea of having one that had Tempreature added to the mix . . . However, I have been schooled and have now learned that is not possible . . .

If we convince @Uncle to only use one build in one tank with fixed airflow and one juice the remainder of his life, I could likely get things dialed in

No Convincing Really NEEDED - I am already "Dialed-in" . . . I DO NOT use any Rebuildable tanks - nor build any coils . . . Blister packs and cartomizer/tanks are "My" usual go too . . . I do Not Use any sub-coils and have stayed with 1.5/1.8/2.0/2.2 oHm's for quite some time (Haven't even used any of the Ti/Ni/Clapton coils I have yet) - Strictly use SS/Kanthal (I think) coils . . . AND - As for equipment I am still using VV/VW and a couple of All-in-One devices set at 14 Watts using a 1.5 oHm coil . . . Just want to try out a couple of TC Mods that I was lucky enough to acquirer to see if they made any difference like so many people said they did so I could actually finally become a non-smoker instead of being a dual user that I currently am with what I am using right now . . .

HEY - I haven't given up yet and have no intention to either . . . I will be a nonsmoker some day . . . Just don't know when . . .

SO - Any suggestions with the information I given Ya' above would be appreciated (that goes for Fuzzy Thunderbear too) . . .
(However, it probably would be best to send them via a PM instead of taking up any more of time and space here in the thread . . . Just Sayin' . . . )

wowzer, lot of theory - the way I LOOK AT TEMP CONTROL
is temp is temp, set up your base line however ya want (up to 1.5Ω) then
adjust the TEMP where YOU like it...
reguardless of all your parameters, the temp SHOULD stay constant

that's one of the beauties of TC - set it /forget it (wow, just went Ron Popeil on ya'll)

Gonna try that once I understand it a little more and know some of the basics of TC - compared to the notion of just set-it & forget-it as I do with a VV/VW . . . So - Thanks for the suggestion . . .

Uncle, I feel for you. You just want a simple plug 'n play recipe for your devices

Yep - Be they any device - TC or not . . . That's all I've wanted since I started - to be able to "Plug 'n Play", but sadly that is not the way this goes with Vaping, especially with all the equipment that is out there now - as "You" so well know "Ms. Tottle Puffing Queen" . . .

AND NO, I'M NOT MAKING YOU A DAMM SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!

MEANNY ! ! !

 

[Uncle]

and who the heck is Louise ?

She is the one who sings out . . .

 

[pufZeppelin]

@Uncle -Gonna try that once I understand it a little more and know some of the basics of TC - compared to the notion of just set-it & forget-it as I do with a VV/VW . . . So - Thanks for the suggestion . . .

** yeah, you're probably right, need to dive in and do some real serious study, reading, consult some experts, take a course, practical theory...

 

[DingerCPA]

I am finally back on line after a major chunk of downtime.

Consider you all liked unless you didn't deserve it.

@Uncle, I'm not one who cares for much of a WARM vape. I have a couple of mods that I can't/haven't figured how to set the POWER, so I start with a lower temp (like a lower power level on VV/VW mods) and work my way up to what *I* like. If I can set the power/joules, It's often not even half of what the mod is capable. The one thing with TC is that you should LOCK the resistance (as those coils will "float" when they heat up)

I have a number of TC heads for various mods. Mostly Ni, but a number of Ti. I won't BUILD Ni or Ti coils (I'll revert back to Kanthal/Nichrome/SS) but while in TC, I typically won't BURN a vape or get nasty DRY HITS when a tank has dried out.

My M.O. is start low and work my way up to what *I* like. That's my KISS principle.

 

[Katdarling]

Vaping 101, Dings. You got it.

 

[DingerCPA]

Vaping 101, Dings. You got it.

MWAH

ETA - took me long enough - what 2-1/2 years????

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

The chart IS correct, IF , you use 32/33 gauge wire,

Oh Burnie, I am sorry if I implied that the chart is not correct. He made that using the P=E^2/R formula, except I wrote the formula the way electricians and electronics technicians/engineers would write it. P is Power, which is Watts (not measured, always calculated), E is voltage in Volts (measurable), R is resistance in Ohms (also measurable), and he states it underneath his chart as Watts = Volts squared divided by Ohms. It is the same thing and the mathematics is the same regardless of the wire size. That is, a 1.5Ω coil in 32g is the same mathematically as a 1.5Ω in 26g. The difference is that the thicker wire coil will have less wraps to get the same Ohms, therefore it will heat at a different rate, as will differences in materials the coil is made out of (the Ti vs Ni vs Kanthal vs SS argument, plus shape - the round coil vs radiator vs twisted vs Clapton argument). His chart is still valid, but all I really wanted to point out is that the advances in coil materials, shape, and gauge will shift his redline much farther to the right than what the old chart shows.

Once you introduce airflow you change the power levels the coil is capable of handling.
Let alone the introduction of a thicker vg based eliquid

Agreed. This is also a large variable because the thinner the juice, and the more air... well, we've had that discussion already. I know many folks who still use mostly high PG juice, but I started with and am still stuck on Max VG, which seems to be what the cloud chuckers want, though I am not now and never plan to be one of them. To me, it just tastes better. But to each his/her own on that front. I will never condemn either choice. But they do heat at different rates, so add one more variable to the guessing game.

 

[DingerCPA]

Psssst, @Katdarling - you should get a Serpent Mini.... I have a DELIGHTFUL 1.5ohm coil running about 12W with the airflow almost completely shut off.... Flavah, flavah, FLAVAH!!!!!

Jus' sayin'