Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)

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I mean no more offense saying Merry Christmas than a Jew saying Happy Hannuka (SP) Thats my culture so I say Merry Christmas tomorrow I will say happy New Year. it doesn't matter that Celtic New year is October 31st or Chinese new Year is in the last half of January.

Those who prohibit others from expressing their faith (or lack otherof) are the ones who are being politically incorrect.
 

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This morning I was reminded how blessed we were. One of my neighbors posted a link to a gofundme page. The page is for another neighbor, a 77 year old gentleman who lost his home and everything he had in the Creek fire. That was the brush fire that got to half a block from my house. I had some money saved for a new mod but figured that I could get that mod another time so I donated the money for my neighbor. If any of you folks are able to and want to help, please PM me and I will give you his gofundme page link.
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Now that the dust has settled, I apologize if I opened a can of worms. Bah! Humbug!! is actually how I greet most people this time of year. I do so with a gruff voice, and a huge smile.

I am not trying to be PC or non-PC (would that be Mac, Chromebook, or Linux?). I really don't care. I celebrate the season my own way, and let others celebrate theirs. However, if someone wishes me a "________", I ain't gonna turn it down.

So, with that in mind, BAH! HUMBUG!!
 

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I belong to one of the groups doing homeless outreach and there is a big push at this time of year. I see it as filling a void. The weather gets cold, most don't have coats blankets backpacks tents socks shoes or hot meal. Many are nervous with groups. Everyone deserves something to unwrap. Whatever. This year, on christmas eve morning, the police show up. We've got commercial warming trays, everything's permitted but now they want no more direct donations. Everything has to go through the city services which many can't get to or won't go to (crowds). Crazy crap. No explanation. Line drawn.

My guess is it's the NIMBY crowd ("don't encourage them" or "not here"). I was dumbfounded. I'm waiting to hear more but it feels like, right now, they want to make donations to homeless illegal. That's not all that happened. One of the workers discovered an older gentlemen in bad shape, maybe a heart attack, called 911 and the fd won't go beyond the parking lot. It took a half hour and dispatch finally called an uber to the only public hospital. I skipped a lot in that story, but that's the basics.

It's crazy times. People want to help. We've got vet tech's, food trucks showing up to help and everything's been cut like food stamps. They can't fill out forms, don't have paperwork and no direct donations? That really affected me. This was a public park, they were "the public" before homelessness. I'm ranting a bit. I'm still in shock. Ugh.

Ho-ho-ho I guess.

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you care.

then get to know one and adopt him or her as an extended family member. make sure that ONE has what they need.its not that expensive.

when you see Wal-Mart or similar put fleece throws on sale. get two of them and a mylar emergency blanket.

tack the two throws and emergency blanket together with stitches about 4-6 inches apart and tie the ends in a square knot. if nothing else use a bunch of safety pins.

I have done that for years when an RV park was ripping my lungs out for electric.

two fleece throws an an emergency blanket tacked together and I slept warm with the heat pump turned off.

those emergency blankets reflect 80-90% of the body heat and weighs less than an ounce. if you get them in bulk on Amazon they are only about $1 a piece.

I belong to one of the groups doing homeless outreach and there is a big push at this time of year. I see it as filling a void. The weather gets cold, most don't have coats blankets backpacks tents socks shoes or hot meal. Many are nervous with groups. Everyone deserves something to unwrap. Whatever. This year, on christmas eve morning, the police show up. We've got commercial warming trays, everything's permitted but now they want no more direct donations. Everything has to go through the city services which many can't get to or won't go to (crowds). Crazy crap. No explanation. Line drawn.

My guess is it's the NIMBY crowd ("don't encourage them" or "not here"). I was dumbfounded. I'm waiting to hear more but it feels like, right now, they want to make donations to homeless illegal. That's not all that happened. One of the workers discovered an older gentlemen in bad shape, maybe a heart attack, called 911 and the fd won't go beyond the parking lot. It took a half hour and dispatch finally called an uber to the only public hospital. I skipped a lot in that story, but that's the basics.

It's crazy times. People want to help. We've got vet tech's, food trucks showing up to help and everything's been cut like food stamps. They can't fill out forms, don't have paperwork and no direct donations? That really affected me. This was a public park, they were "the public" before homelessness. I'm ranting a bit. I'm still in shock. Ugh.

Ho-ho-ho I guess.

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those emergency blankets are teriffic but fragile and tear easily.

by tacking them between two fleece throws makes them more durable a homeless person should get two or three months out of them I am not homeless but certainly save on my electric bills. a few nights ago it was down to 39 degrees and I slept nice and toasty.

the beauty of this is warmth without weighing one down with a heavy quilt or three.

no more $215 electric bills a month for me!

I hadn't thought about those emergency blankets. I've taken people in. It's a roller coaster; not always as nice as a youtube video.

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I belong to one of the groups doing homeless outreach and there is a big push at this time of year. I see it as filling a void. The weather gets cold, most don't have coats blankets backpacks tents socks shoes or hot meal. Many are nervous with groups. Everyone deserves something to unwrap. Whatever. This year, on christmas eve morning, the police show up. We've got commercial warming trays, everything's permitted but now they want no more direct donations. Everything has to go through the city services which many can't get to or won't go to (crowds). Crazy crap. No explanation. Line drawn.

My guess is it's the NIMBY crowd ("don't encourage them" or "not here"). I was dumbfounded. I'm waiting to hear more but it feels like, right now, they want to make donations to homeless illegal. That's not all that happened. One of the workers discovered an older gentlemen in bad shape, maybe a heart attack, called 911 and the fd won't go beyond the parking lot. It took a half hour and dispatch finally called an uber to the only public hospital. I skipped a lot in that story, but that's the basics.

It's crazy times. People want to help. We've got vet tech's, food trucks showing up to help and everything's been cut like food stamps. They can't fill out forms, don't have paperwork and no direct donations? That really affected me. This was a public park, they were "the public" before homelessness. I'm ranting a bit. I'm still in shock. Ugh.

Ho-ho-ho I guess.

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:mad: The rating system won't work for this. There has to be a compromise.

Encouraging homeless people to populate public parks also discourages others from using them. Not to mention used needles on the ground. But they also need outreach. Some of those people are unmedicated schizophrenics, like you describe, and outreach is essential to bringing them back into society.

I need the weight, I even have a weighted blanket. My body jerks around in my sleep, and the weight dampens what might otherwise prevent adequate sleep.
 
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Tell me about it. I haven't ventured into a park for years because all I see is the homeless and sometimes the police. I'd have to go up to the rich people's area to find one, and that is quite a drive.

I feel bad for the homeless but I also know that there are PLENTY of outreach services in Tucson and I've never had ANY difficulty getting a homeless client into a shelter (if they wanted to go). DV is another story.... But there are usually open beds. A significant portion of our homeless either prefer it (a shelter has rules and recovery programs usually, and some of them are Christian based like the Salvation army and some require ID) or feel they have no other option. It's a great shame.

I will not give a homeless person a dollar when they ask, but I will offer to buy them food. You'd be shocked how many refuse... Getting food in Tucson isn't hard either, they have more distribution centers than you can shake a stick at. I will a) donate to shelters b) offer to take a homeless person there but c) you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

With that said, I know there are tons of homeless folk who are literally there through no fault of their own, but the ones I run into don't seem to want the kind of "help" I am willing to give. However, I don't see how enabling someone's addiction is going to get them sober, so I simply don't hand out money, though there are times I really *want* to. Homelessness is not a pleasant existence.

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There are three kinds of homeless people.

1. Mentally ill need to be put in some kind of facility where they get the help needed. there are closed military bases where they can be helped. EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT.

2. the pan handlers that beg without needing help. I say put them out picking up the trash.

3. there are a few that has fallen through the cracks in the safety net.

warned you I was not politically correct.

let me tell you about Wendy (not her real name) she was in her early 50s with a section 8 voucher. she was a real money maker for some people. She was my next door neighbor.

She had to pay 30% of her income for rent then section 8 paid another $509 for rent where NO ONE paid more than $400 with twice as much room.

Wendy had three caregivers. one was an RN.

so the state or State/federal was paying several $thousands to house, care and feed this lady who was mentally damaged who knocked her care givers around in her temper tantrums and sent to jail at least 5-10 times. I was her next door neighbor and heard every fight and the police being called to her place.

in the same apt let me tell you about Barbara. this woman was a complete quadriplegic but she had a doctorate in law. all the help she wanted was someone to come in once or twice a week to clean her apt but since she had a job as a paralegal at a law firm down town she couldnt get any help.

:mad: The rating system won't work for this. There has to be a compromise.

Encouraging homeless people to populate public parks also discourages others from using them. Not to mention used needles on the ground. But they also need outreach. Some of those people are unmedicated schizophrenics, like you describe, and outreach is essential to bringing them back into society.

I need the weight, I even have a weighted blanket. My body jerks around in my sleep, and the weight dampens what might otherwise prevent adequate sleep.
 

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I guess it's a situation you'd have to experience. There hasn't been a section 8 list open in over 10 years. That's gone. There is no public transportation and most don"t have the spare change for a bus. Signing up for specific religious training is actually a high price. One of the most common mental illnesses causing fear of crowds is ptsd and nothing takes that into consideration. There's debate about substance abuse. Chicken or the egg - which came first. If I found myself homeless I might want to be drunk too.

Denver build facilities with ptsd in mind and the increase in success was much much higher. Here the druggies don't hang out in the city park, they go to the indian reservation - obvious reasons. This is a park that is frequented, that's what was so spooky about the fd's refusal to go beyond the parking lot. Per dispatch this is anywhere without a "street address" by policy (I mentioned there were more details). Made me afraid to walk my dog in any park.

What do people expect? Should homeless just be shot? To me, the word public means everyone. Most have paid taxes previously. Are they no longer members of the public? I have low tolerance for drug abuse. I have not seen hypos or little baggies. Most clean up and are very good at disappearing during the day. That's why it takes some sleuthing skills to find them. Lately we've seen more car dwellers, many do work part time but vehicle, medical expenses take everything they make. They estimate for every 100 in extreme poverty, there's less than 20 housing units available. That's a national figure and I suspect it's worse here. I'm not trying to argue, I know there's a lot of myths. They are humans. I hope before anyone makes firm conclusions to get hands on experience - more than one because they are individuals too. The same with mental illness since there are a lot of myths. ECF has had a number of people admitting they were or have been homeless. They are like everyone else.

I've seen stories of areas in the PNW of large encampments and I think that might be a kinder approach. The city wants to prevent that, keeping them scattered where it's more difficult to get services. "Getting help through the city" was a disingenuous bad joke.

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