True talk.

[jkmtwo]

It is my belief that for a variety of reasons the White House.gov petition is a waste of time. The chief reason being, what is the end game here? Essentially, this boils down to, us as a community telling the POTUS, "The FDA is scaring us, make them stop".

There are no regulations at this time, we have no clue what the regulations will be. And we may not see them for some time. So what is President Obama to do? The only thing he can do, pat us on the head and tell us "it'll be ok".

This is not merely to criticize.

The far more effective avenue open to us, is contacting our members of congress. Congress has the real power.

I know, most will say that they agree, this should be done too, how many threads are currently going on ECF about this? Exactly. So when the petition results in a canned response from our President, don't feel disenfranchised, get angry, then channel that anger.

Educate your congressmen, email them links, send them info packets, call them on the phone. Chances are your representatives office gets a couple of calls per day from their home district, they'll pay attention if they get 15, 20 calls in a single day. This has worked time after time.

Here are a couple of links to help you get started.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/basics/


Here is a link to find your representatives
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt

Tell your friends.

 

[Hello World]

I absolutely agree contacting your congressman is a way to go.

The petition is an index of influence, and minimally makes the supposedly highest office of the land aware of a voice.

They do take note. Maybe nothing will ever come of it, but it's yet another avenue to communicate your concerns.

You have the opportunity as a whole to say something to the President.

 

[darkhood]

imo it's a relatively small community (altho it's growing fast) against big tobacco / the fda...hate to say it but i really don't think there's a whole lot we can actually do if they decide to drop the hammer and impose whatever ridiculous regs and bans they have in store...don't mean to be cynical, just the way i see it.

 

[Iffy]

The petition is..

... 'oil on da waters' that they'll sail through regardless.

They do take note...

... and raise the required number of respondents (twice now) when they get too many!

You have the opportunity as a whole to say something to the President.

Really...?

And yes, I've responded to both petitions. Keeps my keyboard dust free...

 

[Renolizzie]

I think it doesn't hurt to get the President on board with e cigs since he is a closet smoker

 

[jkmtwo]

Hes not really in the closet

 

[Tanti]

I really dont see the point of your wet rag on the petition. Who knows what will happen, you cant say with 100% certainty that nothing will happen. It cant hurt. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
Writing your Representative is a very good idea. We need as many as we can to get on our side, whoever they maybe.
Educating the "powers to be" cant hurt eather.
I see people putting a effort forth, the last thing we need is poopooing anything.

 

[POSEIDON]

I signed the petition even though I disagree with some of its wants. Regulation is a good thing. Frankly I like knowing that my juice wasn't made by some hairy dude with no shirt on while firing off a deuce. Id rather my juice be made by a guy who has passed, at least, some sort of basic competency test to show that they actually know how to make this product safely, and are in possession of a clean dedicated work area. There is a lot of talk about BT wanting regulations that force out the little guy, strange though that there are little cigar, pipe, pipe tobacco shops all over the place that don't compete with BT, here is my thoughts the predominance of us on this forum would fall into the speciality market, not something that BT is traditionally intrested in, they want smokers staying with them. And lets be honest they will probably find a way to improve the cigalike market to make them better.
Taxes are coming, thats pretty much a fact. Lets be honest the only reason the government does not tax .........ion is they haven't figured out how to yet. Get used to it. Everything that can be taxed, is. And it will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

 

[Tanti]

I signed the petition even though I disagree with some of its wants. Regulation is a good thing. Frankly I like knowing that my juice wasn't made by some hairy dude with no shirt on while firing off a deuce. Id rather my juice be made by a guy who has passed, at least, some sort of basic competency test to show that they actually know how to make this product safely, and are in possession of a clean dedicated work area. There is a lot of talk about BT wanting regulations that force out the little guy, strange though that there are little cigar, pipe, pipe tobacco shops all over the place that don't compete with BT, here is my thoughts the predominance of us on this forum would fall into the speciality market, not something that BT is traditionally intrested in, they want smokers staying with them. And lets be honest they will probably find a way to improve the cigalike market to make them better.
Taxes are coming, thats pretty much a fact. Lets be honest the only reason the government does not tax .........ion is they haven't figured out how to yet. Get used to it. Everything that can be taxed, is. And it will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

Its ok to want to know where your juice came from, I understand that but FDA might not stop at just making simple rules on who makes it but what we can use, and how nicotine can be delivered. It could end DYI, it could end mods, non pre-fill carts, it could end being able to get nicotine strengh you want. We just dont know. Careful what you wish for when it comes to the FDA.
The market will sort it self out as far as people making juices. If you want to know where your juice is made use a juice company that is a B&M, there are many stores and pretty much they would be health department checked.

You might want to read this if you havent
Regulation of E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products

 

[jkmtwo]

I signed the petition even though I disagree with some of its wants. Regulation is a good thing. Frankly I like knowing that my juice wasn't made by some hairy dude with no shirt on while firing off a deuce. Id rather my juice be made by a guy who has passed, at least, some sort of basic competency test to show that they actually know how to make this product safely, and are in possession of a clean dedicated work area. There is a lot of talk about BT wanting regulations that force out the little guy, strange though that there are little cigar, pipe, pipe tobacco shops all over the place that don't compete with BT, here is my thoughts the predominance of us on this forum would fall into the speciality market, not something that BT is traditionally intrested in, they want smokers staying with them. And lets be honest they will probably find a way to improve the cigalike market to make them better.
Taxes are coming, thats pretty much a fact. Lets be honest the only reason the government does not tax .........ion is they haven't figured out how to yet. Get used to it. Everything that can be taxed, is. And it will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

Personally I'm against any kind of regulation, in any form, in any area, unless it can be demonstrated that TRUE harm can be done without these regulations, think prescription drugs as an industry that I see a reason for some regulations.

You might want to know that your juice is being made in a clean safe way, but how can regulations make this a reality? Look no further than the fast food industry for proof that regulations often times amount to nothing more than making the end consumer FEEL better.

Im a hairy dude, and I DIY, I don't have a special lab, I mix most of my juice at my kitchen table, never dropped a deuce while making my juice, but I often do it with no shirt on. Never got any hair or anything else in my juice, never gotten sick, or anything else.

 

[SilentScreams]

Personally I'm against any kind of regulation, in any form, in any area, unless it can be demonstrated that TRUE harm can be done without these regulations, think prescription drugs as an industry that I see a reason for some regulations.

You might want to know that your juice is being made in a clean safe way, but how can regulations make this a reality? Look no further than the fast food industry for proof that regulations often times amount to nothing more than making the end consumer FEEL better.

Im a hairy dude, and I DIY, I don't have a special lab, I mix most of my juice at my kitchen table, never dropped a deuce while making my juice, but I often do it with no shirt on. Never got any hair or anything else in my juice, never gotten sick, or anything else.

I'd buy juice from you just because your honest about how you make it. If a vendor is honest I could care less in what way they make the juice so long as they aren't putting some crap in it that shouldn't be there I'm good.

To be honest I'm sick of the government telling what I can and cannot do. Or what is or is not good for me. Because they are 98% wrong.

 

[frosting]

I absolutely agree that for each person who was willing to click on the petition, if they care enough to write an actual letter and mail it, it would have so much more impact.

I plan to revisit an old(way too long, I found out after the mailed fact) letter I wrote to about 15 completely random representatives to their state and D.C. offices. I have a new printer in the house. No excuses.

The advice I got about writing letters from CASAA is keep it short, but to the point and factual.

 

[jkmtwo]

Personally I'm against any kind of regulation, in any form, in any area, unless it can be demonstrated that TRUE harm can be done without these regulations, think prescription drugs as an industry that I see a reason for some regulations.

You might want to know that your juice is being made in a clean safe way, but how can regulations make this a reality? Look no further than the fast food industry for proof that regulations often times amount to nothing more than making the end consumer FEEL better.

Im a hairy dude, and I DIY, I don't have a special lab, I mix most of my juice at my kitchen table, never dropped a deuce while making my juice, but I often do it with no shirt on. Never got any hair or anything else in my juice, never gotten sick, or anything else.

I'd buy juice from you just because your honest about how you make it. If a vendor is honest I could care less in what way they make the juice so long as they aren't putting some crap in it that shouldn't be there I'm good.

To be honest I'm sick of the government telling what I can and cannot do. Or what is or is not good for me. Because they are 98% wrong.

Lol word....

It is true if you think about it, regulations don't prevent any harm, there is no industry more regulated than the pharmaceutical industry.....meningitis outbreak anyone? Mistakes happen.

The big thing for me is someone who knows what their doing, even then, mishaps are bound to occur, but you can't eliminate human error from anything.

 

[jkmtwo]

This 100%

Its so easy to get thousands of people to sign just about anything, they know this. But to get more, like say making a comment to the FDA, we get 1/5th of that turnout? The people in our government know the difference. They know that at the core of this community we are 5,000 strong maybe twice that.

That's where contacting your members in congress comes in, we don't need thousands of people to flood them to move them, it would litterally take tens of people per congressman to make a noticeable impact. Overall we would be in the thousands, but your congressman knows, if 15 or 20 people call them up, there is some aggressive motivation behind it, and motivated people can easily become motivated opponents or supporters.

That's the reason you don't hear this much any more, those who govern prefer we petition Obama, hes a lame duck president, which makes him an easy foil, hell you'll see democrats running against Obamas legacy in 2016.

I absolutely agree that for each person who was willing to click on the petition, if they care enough to write an actual letter and mail I
t, it would have so much more impact.

I plan to revisit an old(way too long, I found out after the mailed fact) letter I wrote to about 15 completely random representatives to their state and D.C. offices. I have a new printer in the house. No excuses.

The advice I got about writing letters from CASAA is keep it short, but to the point and factual.

 

[patkin]

Lol word....

It is true if you think about it, regulations don't prevent any harm, there is no industry more regulated than the pharmaceutical industry.....meningitis outbreak anyone? Mistakes happen.

The big thing for me is someone who knows what their doing, even then, mishaps are bound to occur, but you can't eliminate human error from anything.

Ever seen the hidden cameras in meat packing plants or fast food places? How about Wendy's and e-coli or all the bagged greens and other produce. Then there's USA pet food companies buying from China and dead pets. Where I live its known the inspectors of restaurants are on the take. I'm no conspiracy theorist but say I have no doubt a lot of our politicians are too. So, its always buyer beware while we pay out exorbitant taxes that are really no more than "protection money" to white collar gangsters.

 

[jkmtwo]

Lol word....

It is true if you think about it, regulations don't prevent any harm, there is no industry more regulated than the pharmaceutical industry.....meningitis outbreak anyone? Mistakes happen.

The big thing for me is someone who knows what their doing, even then, mishaps are bound to occur, but you can't eliminate human error from anything.

Ever seen the hidden cameras in meat packing plants or fast food places? How about Wendy's and e-coli or all the bagged greens and other produce. Then there's USA pet food companies buying from China and dead pets. Where I live its known the inspectors of restaurants are on the take. I'm no conspiracy theorist but say I have no doubt a lot of our politicians are too. So, its always buyer beware while we pay out exorbitant taxes that are really no more than "protection money" to white collar gangsters.

Lol, I don't know if Id say all that, but I do agree in general, there are a lot of "do gooders" out there, and all of their do gooding doesn't actually do any good, unless you like costing other people money and making it a pita for the little guy to do anything.